Surf Cup's Fate

I think you would still have to quarantine if you play those tournaments. By travelling to a soccer tournament you are violating the CDPH Limit on Non Essential travel and your employer can likely force you to quarantine. That order is in effect. You would also be participating in a gathering with more than 3 households and would need to quarantine, even without the regional stay at home order in effect. If clubs participate they are going against the local requirements which could violate their plans filed with the local health departments.
 
ITFC Blues said:
I think you would still have to quarantine if you play those tournaments. By travelling to a soccer tournament you are violating the CDPH Limit on Non Essential travel and your employer can likely force you to quarantine. That order is in effect. You would also be participating in a gathering with more than 3 households and would need to quarantine, even without the regional stay at home order in effect. If clubs participate they are going against the local requirements which could violate their plans filed with the local health departments.
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I think you are under the assumption that most people care or respect these arbitrary rules put in place by state officials who don't even follow their own orders. I personally don't care about any stay at home order. This isn't about science anymore, this (covid) has become a religion to people in this country and lots of people on this message board. It's not about doing what's right by the kids or even following the science, to lots of people who are preaching about rules and lockdown restrictions it has become a part of their identity. I think that kind of mentality is weird and I would never let it dictate my decisions for myself or my family.
 
oh canada said:
Update from the other AZ cities (Surf will likely try to reschedule again to a holiday weekend in March/April):

"Those options may be limited, though. Some surrounding communities, such as Chandler, Gilbert, Mesa and Peoria say they aren't accepting new tournament reservation requests right now. Scottsdale says it is fully booked. Buckeye, Goodyear, Surprise and Tucson are not allowing tournaments right now, according to research compiled by Phoenix."

"Glendale is taking applications for field rentals and reviewing them individually, according to Paul King, the city's recreation administrator. The city hasn't received new requests from tournament organizers in the past few days, he said.

Scottsdale has received requests from tournament organizers in the past few days, some of which are coming because of "the cancellation of other Valley field reservations," spokesperson Ann Porter said.

"Scottsdale is fully booked, and we are unable to accommodate these requests," Porter said.
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Your info is incorrect. Surf cup coordinator emailed our club the correct info but keep on guessing.
 
StrikerOC said:
I think you are under the assumption that most people care or respect these arbitrary rules put in place by state officials who don't even follow their own orders. I personally don't care about any stay at home order. This isn't about science anymore, this (covid) has become a religion to people in this country and lots of people on this message board. It's not about doing what's right by the kids or even following the science, to lots of people who are preaching about rules and lockdown restrictions it has become a part of their identity. I think that kind of mentality is weird and I would never let it dictate my decisions for myself or my family.
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100%

It's fanatical now at this point. These tournaments are outdoors and people can wear masks. Ridiculous to enact all these authoritarian restrictions. It's psychotic and people are beginning to worship these talking political heads as prophets. It's disgusting.
 
Lavey29 said:
Your info is incorrect. Surf cup coordinator emailed our club the correct info but keep on guessing.
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The info he provided is not incorrect. Fields are hard to come by and Surf is struggling to get a cohesive plan in place that makes sense and provides good playing surfaces. The loss of that many fields with lights is hard to make up. Surf will continue to string everyone along until the last minute, just like they've been doing all year. I don't blame them, it's just what they've been doing.

As an AZ native, I hope Surf just goes away. I am not anti tournament, anti play, etc, but I'm a realist. Let people finish hyperventilating over cases and then move on. Come back and play in FEB, plenty of tournaments then.
 
happy9 said:
The info he provided is not incorrect. Fields are hard to come by and Surf is struggling to get a cohesive plan in place that makes sense and provides good playing surfaces. The loss of that many fields with lights is hard to make up. Surf will continue to string everyone along until the last minute, just like they've been doing all year. I don't blame them, it's just what they've been doing.

As an AZ native, I hope Surf just goes away. I am not anti tournament, anti play, etc, but I'm a realist. Let people finish hyperventilating over cases and then move on. Come back and play in FEB, plenty of tournaments then.
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There's no doubting the skyrocketing cases and hospitalizations both here in Cali and in AZ. More cases = more risk, regardless of your age, environment etc. If we can all agree to that, then why not just let go of playing one particular soccer tournament in 4 weeks and plan on playing in another in 8-12 weeks (still likely in AZ unfortunately)? I disagree with almost everything Newsom says, but I do think he got one thing right...we are in the 8th inning of this thing so just hang on a little longer and help our doctors and nurses save as many lives as possible.
 
Lavey29 said:
Kind of funny but more realistic is youth sports as the allied forces going against the hypocritical politicians as the german forces. Of course we know the outcome after a hard fought battle.
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Part of the joke is that this is a well known meme that people have done about just about any subject where someone is losing and its practically over (everything from elections, to soccer contests, to the Rona). You also have to have seen the underlying film, which is pretty good.
 
Grace T. said:
Part of the joke is that this is a well known meme that people have done about just about any subject where someone is losing and its practically over (everything from elections, to soccer contests, to the Rona). You also have to have seen the underlying film, which is pretty good.
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I'm familiar with the meme uses in variations and also the film. I just gave my impression of the battle youth sports is having with nazi like hypocrites governing us.
 
outside! said:
Are you referring to the case against McDonalds for serving superheated coffee? If so, you don't know the details of the case. McDonalds was serving coffee in sealed cups that were pressure tight. They would reheat those cups in a microwave, causing the coffee to become superheated (hotter than the boiling temperature of water at atmospheric pressure). This caused the pressure in the sealed cup to increase, preventing the coffee from boiling. When the plaintiff broke the pressure seal by pushing the straw or stirrer (can't remember exactly) through the lid, the pressure in the cup dropped to atmospheric pressure causing the coffee to boil over and spew out of the cup under pressure. Everyone expects coffee to be hot, but they do not expect the coffee to spray out of the cup under pressure as the coffee boils over. The plaintiff received 3rd degree burns to their crotch and McDonalds justifiably lost that case. There are bad lawsuit cases out there, but this is not one of them.
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And it wasn't the first lawsuit for hot coffee that MacDonals's had faced. Their own witnesses were forced to admit that the cost of settlements of a few hundred dollars each (they had offered the lady in question $800 before trial) was insignificant compared to their coffee profits.
 
StrikerOC said:
I think you are under the assumption that most people care or respect these arbitrary rules put in place by state officials who don't even follow their own orders. I personally don't care about any stay at home order. This isn't about science anymore, this (covid) has become a religion to people in this country and lots of people on this message board. It's not about doing what's right by the kids or even following the science, to lots of people who are preaching about rules and lockdown restrictions it has become a part of their identity. I think that kind of mentality is weird and I would never let it dictate my decisions for myself or my family.
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I have to agree that religious fervor adequately explains the willingness to ignore common sense.
 
oh canada said:
There's no doubting the skyrocketing cases and hospitalizations both here in Cali and in AZ. More cases = more risk, regardless of your age, environment etc. If we can all agree to that, then why not just let go of playing one particular soccer tournament in 4 weeks and plan on playing in another in 8-12 weeks (still likely in AZ unfortunately)? I disagree with almost everything Newsom says, but I do think he got one thing right...we are in the 8th inning of this thing so just hang on a little longer and help our doctors and nurses save as many lives as possible.
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I don't want to derail this into another silly covid discussion but here I go. COVID spread and soccer are nearly unrelated. The city of phoenix, in an act of yellow cowardliness (typical of politicians), went after the only thing it had the guts to go after - kids and their sports. I don't disagree with Surf going away, for optics sake. But to shut down fields to club sports is beyond reasoning and doesn't follow "science". The City of Phoenix council is an underperforming, overwhelmed group of people. Plenty of organized club sports will be played in AZ this weekend, none in Phoenix.

Governments can walk and chew gum at the same time. And maybe they just can't. The inability to understand problems and solve them is strong.

The same appears to be true for any government body in the state of CA. The fact that you are so constrained that you have to travel out of state to play a game is asinine. Feel free to round up your club parents and take a field trip to a strip club in San Diego - that's allowed. Watching kids play soccer -->death awaits, watching a stripper -->instant immunity. Maybe you should play futsal in a strip club, sans strippers.
 
Soccermompeach said:
Interesting where the "Hot spots" are. AZ is worse case wise than California. https://covid19risk.biosci.gatech.edu
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Give it a few weeks. Things will change. The west coast appears to be the last place to get hit in the season. Maybe we can avoid a big surge. Based on the case graphs, CA upswing started about a month after AZ. I don’t see an obvious turn slowing of the rise in CA yet. AZ started to show slowing of the rise a few days before Thanksgiving. The data around Thanksgiving is tough to interpret - lots of tests immediately prior, relatively few the days immediately after. Another week should help clarify whether either is near the top.
 
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