Surf Cup's Fate

soccer4us said:
This was sent by surf this morning to our team manager:

We were surprised by the City Council decision to cancel all tournaments in Phoenix for the foreseeable future as this really came out of nowhere. The ECNL event held in mid-November went off smoothly and without any issues. There has been no evidence that outdoor youth sporting events are super-spreader events or that they contribute to the rise in COVID cases within a city.

That being said, the city made the decision and now we have to take a moment to have a few discussions about Surf Cup. My inbox is flooded by people asking what's happening with the event. Please know that my communications will be with ALL accepted teams, not individual parents, managers or coaches. No one will have any information before anyone else.

We are sensitive to the travel arrangements that families have/are making but we need a little time to have discussions and explore options as we truly feel that these players need this event for more than just the soccer portion of what it brings but also for their physical and mental well being.
The goal is to have a decision, and communicate that decision, by Friday, December 4th. A knee-jerk reaction or panicking to the City Council decision isn't the best way to manage this. We do have options. Still in AZ. Still close to Phoenix but not in Phoenix. We are working with those field owners as we speak and will have a plan in place, or a decision soon and I will communicate that as soon as we have it.

We continue to remain committed to having an event for these players. The event has actually become more important as these children have lost so much since COVID became a reality and they need something to look forward to that will bring smiles and laughter back to them after all they have been through.

Personally, I ask that you please give us today to sort through all of this and withhold the emails until I can communicate directly with everyone what the plan is. I know everyone is eager to know the plan and I won't withhold any information any longer than necessary.
Please, keep your fingers and toes crossed and I will be in touch as soon as possible.

We appreciate your support and your willingness to hang in there with us through these challenges as we are all wanting to do something special for our children!



I figured they would exhaust all options before officially saying it's cancelled. I think it still get cancelled but never say never...
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any additional news?
 
outside! said:
Are you referring to the case against McDonalds for serving superheated coffee? If so, you don't know the details of the case. McDonalds was serving coffee in sealed cups that were pressure tight. They would reheat those cups in a microwave, causing the coffee to become superheated (hotter than the boiling temperature of water at atmospheric pressure). This caused the pressure in the sealed cup to increase, preventing the coffee from boiling. When the plaintiff broke the pressure seal by pushing the straw or stirrer (can't remember exactly) through the lid, the pressure in the cup dropped to atmospheric pressure causing the coffee to boil over and spew out of the cup under pressure. Everyone expects coffee to be hot, but they do not expect the coffee to spray out of the cup under pressure as the coffee boils over. The plaintiff received 3rd degree burns to their crotch and McDonalds justifiably lost that case. There are bad lawsuit cases out there, but this is not one of them.
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Are you sure about that? I've never heard any reference to the pressure shooting the coffee out the cup. My understanding was that she removed lid to add cream or sugar and spilled. Not saying it isn't true, I just have never heard that theory of the case.
 
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As promised, the update......

Despite the City Council vote to close the REACH 11 Complex, we believe we have a solution and therefore Surf Cup AZ (youngers and olders) is ON! We still have the Scottsdale Sports Complex for our event and there is no indication that the venue will close.

We have had overwhelming support from our friends in AZ in providing us options to hold the event in and around the Phoenix area (in areas NOT closed) and therefore, we are sending staff to Phoenix this weekend to check out our options so we can formulate our plan.

That plan will be communicated to all of you early next week. We have a lot to adjust in a very short amount of time but we want to do everything we can to make sure we can get your players back out on the fields playing the game they love.

We continue to be sensitive to what's going on in CA and part of the plan will be options for teams that feel it's in their best interest to not travel to AZ for the events so please wait until we communicate our plan, and your options, early next week before making a decision.

We will also work with each of the cities on their COVID protocols, which may be different by venue and, once confirmed by city/venue, that information will be communicated as well.

As the ECNL event is ongoing in SC right now and TX teams continue on with their league seasons (as do many other states) we want the same for the players coming to our events too so we are choosing to move forward and offer the events!

Look for a detailed communication early next week!

Thank you for your continued support!
 
soccer4us said:
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As promised, the update......

Despite the City Council vote to close the REACH 11 Complex, we believe we have a solution and therefore Surf Cup AZ (youngers and olders) is ON! We still have the Scottsdale Sports Complex for our event and there is no indication that the venue will close.

We have had overwhelming support from our friends in AZ in providing us options to hold the event in and around the Phoenix area (in areas NOT closed) and therefore, we are sending staff to Phoenix this weekend to check out our options so we can formulate our plan.

That plan will be communicated to all of you early next week. We have a lot to adjust in a very short amount of time but we want to do everything we can to make sure we can get your players back out on the fields playing the game they love.

We continue to be sensitive to what's going on in CA and part of the plan will be options for teams that feel it's in their best interest to not travel to AZ for the events so please wait until we communicate our plan, and your options, early next week before making a decision.

We will also work with each of the cities on their COVID protocols, which may be different by venue and, once confirmed by city/venue, that information will be communicated as well.

As the ECNL event is ongoing in SC right now and TX teams continue on with their league seasons (as do many other states) we want the same for the players coming to our events too so we are choosing to move forward and offer the events!

Look for a detailed communication early next week!

Thank you for your continued support!
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This will probably make a few sheeps heads on here explode now.
 
socalkdg said:
Enough of this insurance.

1 - Cal South Insurance or a tournaments insurance don't cover Covid.
2 - If you have you own insurance it is better than Cal South Insurance or the tournaments insurance in case of injury.
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honestly this Cal South insurance or tournament insurance is challenging for me to understand. What is it for? We have always carried our own health insurance and have no reason to sue anyone unless there is severe negligence. I know there is a pandemic and I know I can educate my kid on how to stay safe. If I choose for them to play its on me. I am not going to sue anyone for COVID. what am I missing?
 
outside! said:
Are you referring to the case against McDonalds for serving superheated coffee? If so, you don't know the details of the case. McDonalds was serving coffee in sealed cups that were pressure tight. They would reheat those cups in a microwave, causing the coffee to become superheated (hotter than the boiling temperature of water at atmospheric pressure). This caused the pressure in the sealed cup to increase, preventing the coffee from boiling. When the plaintiff broke the pressure seal by pushing the straw or stirrer (can't remember exactly) through the lid, the pressure in the cup dropped to atmospheric pressure causing the coffee to boil over and spew out of the cup under pressure. Everyone expects coffee to be hot, but they do not expect the coffee to spray out of the cup under pressure as the coffee boils over. The plaintiff received 3rd degree burns to their crotch and McDonalds justifiably lost that case. There are bad lawsuit cases out there, but this is not one of them.
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Are you sure that you are remembering the case correctly?
 
Speed said:
honestly this Cal South insurance or tournament insurance is challenging for me to understand. What is it for? We have always carried our own health insurance and have no reason to sue anyone unless there is severe negligence. I know there is a pandemic and I know I can educate my kid on how to stay safe. If I choose for them to play its on me. I am not going to sue anyone for COVID. what am I missing?
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The medical insurance is almost useless as other posters have pointed out, but the liability insurance is priceless. The Cal South tournament sanctioning process in which tournament organizers prove (or at least promise) to play by the rules Cal South sets up makes that insurance affordable to Cal South. No rational insurer will get involved with an organization that can't follow its own rules or influence their affiliated organizations (clubs, teams, tournaments, etc) to do the smae.
 
watfly said:
Are you sure about that? I've never heard any reference to the pressure shooting the coffee out the cup. My understanding was that she removed lid to add cream or sugar and spilled. Not saying it isn't true, I just have never heard that theory of the case.
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The story based on court testimony is that McDonald's served the coffee at a temperature hot enough to cause scalding burns (180° - 190° F) because customers had complained about coffee getting cold before they could drink it.
 
espola said:
The story based on court testimony is that McDonald's served the coffee at a temperature hot enough to cause scalding burns (180° - 190° F) because customers had complained about coffee getting cold before they could drink it.
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Yes thats my understanding of what happened. Never heard the pressure theory alleged.
 
Lavey29 said:
This will probably make a few sheeps heads on here explode now.
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sheep is in the eye of the beholder as their are Surf sheep present in the wild as well. I do admire their tenacity and respect that they are likely fighting for their financial survival.

We will see what happens. Maybe this turns into an AZ only Surf Cup, the beginning of a tradition. Time will tell if CA clubs have the ganas to travel to AZ under strict restrictions only to come back again in a month, but play on better fields.
 
happy9 said:
sheep is in the eye of the beholder as their are Surf sheep present in the wild as well. I do admire their tenacity and respect that they are likely fighting for their financial survival.

We will see what happens. Maybe this turns into an AZ only Surf Cup, the beginning of a tradition. Time will tell if CA clubs have the ganas to travel to AZ under strict restrictions only to come back again in a month, but play on better fields.
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The beholder and myself see the sheep clearly on here. Looking forward to a great tournament. Arizona has some terrific cities, hotels and restaurants which I'm sure could use a little economic boost during the china virus lock downs. They also have some great soccer venues. Looking forward to some great competitive matches.
 
happy9 said:
sheep is in the eye of the beholder as their are Surf sheep present in the wild as well. I do admire their tenacity and respect that they are likely fighting for their financial survival.

We will see what happens. Maybe this turns into an AZ only Surf Cup, the beginning of a tradition. Time will tell if CA clubs have the ganas to travel to AZ under strict restrictions only to come back again in a month, but play on better fields.
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It will be a great success if they pull it off. Nobody can trust what Gavin will do with youth sports now or in the future. No leadership results in people doing what’s best for their family or company. In fact, Gavin does absolutely nothing for kids ; he only rules against them in everything.
 
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