Surf Cup's Fate

Soccer Cat said:
Take a look at the schedule. It’s mostly the “larger respectable” clubs that are playing the tournament. Unless you don’t consider Legends, Slammers, Beach, So Cal Blues, etc one of those so called clubs...

The venue (Coachella Crossroads) carries insurance I’m told.
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where did you see what teams are playing?
 
Grace T. said:
They are remote chances, but I parade of horribles certain scenarios where it can come into play: a. if you are applying for govt contract or job and you are caught on twitter breaking the ban, b. if you come home, get sick, fail to quarantine and reckless infect someone and they sue you, c. if you get into a car accident and the insurance company argues you were in violation of their policy by willful engaging in an illegal activity, d. if you are applying to the bar or a medical license and it comes to light you violaed the travel ban, e. if your employer catches wind you violated the ban and you infect people at work and they fire you for it.
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I was told by my employer not to travel so I agree with Grace. I can't risk it.
 
Update from the other AZ cities (Surf will likely try to reschedule again to a holiday weekend in March/April):

"Those options may be limited, though. Some surrounding communities, such as Chandler, Gilbert, Mesa and Peoria say they aren't accepting new tournament reservation requests right now. Scottsdale says it is fully booked. Buckeye, Goodyear, Surprise and Tucson are not allowing tournaments right now, according to research compiled by Phoenix."

"Glendale is taking applications for field rentals and reviewing them individually, according to Paul King, the city's recreation administrator. The city hasn't received new requests from tournament organizers in the past few days, he said.

Scottsdale has received requests from tournament organizers in the past few days, some of which are coming because of "the cancellation of other Valley field reservations," spokesperson Ann Porter said.

"Scottsdale is fully booked, and we are unable to accommodate these requests," Porter said.
 
oh canada said:
Update from the other AZ cities (my gut tells me Surf will try to reschedule again to a holiday weekend in March/April):

"Those options may be limited, though. Some surrounding communities, such as Chandler, Gilbert, Mesa and Peoria say they aren't accepting new tournament reservation requests right now. Scottsdale says it is fully booked. Buckeye, Goodyear, Surprise and Tucson are not allowing tournaments right now, according to research compiled by Phoenix."

"Glendale is taking applications for field rentals and reviewing them individually, according to Paul King, the city's recreation administrator. The city hasn't received new requests from tournament organizers in the past few days, he said.

Scottsdale has received requests from tournament organizers in the past few days, some of which are coming because of "the cancellation of other Valley field reservations," spokesperson Ann Porter said.

"Scottsdale is fully booked, and we are unable to accommodate these requests," Porter said.
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Lots of other sports...
 
Willie said:
How do people on here know if a tournament is or is not carrying insurance for an event? Do we know for sure Natives does not have insurance for the event?
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A sanctioned tournament by Cal South must carry insurance. If your coach wants to go to some obscure unsanctioned tournament, just ask why.
 
watfly said:
From a business standpoint a tournament should absolutely carry insurance (and yes its a red flag for cutting corners if they dont), but to sue a tournament because your kid got hurt by some idiot kid that took him out is sad and pathetic, not to mention a likely loser in court. Sue the kids parents if you want. If you can't assume the inherent risks of injury from the actions of other players without suing 3rd parties then do us all a favor and don't participate in the sport. Liability insurance and workers comp insurance are fundamentally different but I suspect you know that. Now if the tournament allows play on gopher holed field or spreads out broken glass on the pitch than yes feel free to pursue the tournament's insurance.

I can empathize with a kid that gets injured and loses a soccer opportunity, but I can't empathize with parents that whine about not being able to fund college because their child lost a scholarship when they failed to setup a 529, or other savings, before their kid was even able to walk.
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I agree with 90% of what you are saying. Don't ever count on a soccer scholarship. As you may or may not know, those kinds of personal injury lawsuits are designed to not go to court. They will settle 99.999% of the time, or head to arbitration. Starting legal action based upon actions in-game definitely gets into the coffee-is-hot side of our judicial system but again, it happens all the time. Signing up for a tournament which is unsanctioned and doesn't carry insurance is not worth the risk to you as a parent or your child as a player. While the free market for tournaments has been completely disrupted, all of these tournaments trying to pop up under the radar are moving forward like they're in some kind of a vacuum where people will just forget about all the shady shit post-vaccine.

"Oh yeah, that club went forward with throwing a tournament during the height of the pandemic and when a vast majority of their customers were exceedingly anxious about (everything)" is not something I would want associated with my club, but there we are.
 
MSK357 said:
you didnt really answer the question you responded to.
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Sorry, the answer is "you know if the tournament is carrying insurance by seeing it on the list put out by Cal South." I thought that was more clear in my response but apologize if it wasn't.
 
notintheface said:
Sorry, the answer is "you know if the tournament is carrying insurance by seeing it on the list put out by Cal South." I thought that was more clear in my response but apologize if it wasn't.
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so you cant really say natives doesnt have insurance. Just that its not listed on cal south. just to be clear.
 
MSK357 said:
so you cant really say natives doesnt have insurance. Just that its not listed on cal south. just to be clear.
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I wasn't talking about any tournament specifically. I have no idea what's going down in Coachella nor do I really care-- from scanning their website it looks like a local rec level club going for a cash grab and it looks like they suckered Beach and Pats parents into it.
 
notintheface said:
Signing up for a tournament which is unsanctioned and doesn't carry insurance is not worth the risk to you as a parent or your child as a player.

"Oh yeah, that club went forward with throwing a tournament during the height of the pandemic and when a vast majority of their customers were exceedingly anxious about (everything)" is not something I would want associated with my club, but there we are.
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It would be worth the risk (which is incredibly low) to me and my child. That's a decision each family has to make for themselves, I would support someone's decision either way. I would never blame another party for me or my child catching Covid. Getting infected with Covid is overwhelming based on your own actions and not the actions of others. So unless a Covid positive TD is licking the complimentary water bottles, I will take responsibility for my own actions.

Now from a clubs standpoint that's an entirely different equation. 100% I would never recommend that a club host a tournament without the proper insurance and signed waivers (for whatever those are worth).

BTW our club isn't even registered with CalSouth, since we don't participate in any CalSouth sanctioned leagues. There sanctioning is meaningless to us.
 
keeprunning said:
Lots of other sports...
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May be a staffing issue. For the most part, soccer fields are soccer fields and do not have to share with another sport. Plenty of baseball happening over new years weekend. Gilbert is a big baseball town as is scottsdale, peoria, etc.

Unlikely any city has planned to staff their fields to support a major tournament like Surf. I don't see how they pull this off so last minute. Mesa is also a big baseball town.
 
notintheface said:
I wasn't talking about any tournament specifically. I have no idea what's going down in Coachella nor do I really care-- from scanning their website it looks like a local rec level club going for a cash grab and it looks like they suckered Beach and Pats parents into it.
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its the only place to play as a club without quarantining. im sure more clubs will be playing in the next tournament there now that nevada and arizona are done for a while. much better drive than arizona.
 
RSL tournament cancelled;
The City of Phoenix has made the decision to close all parks and cancel all events for the foreseeable future and I am sorry to inform you that we are no longer able to accept out-of-states teams. Surf Cup will be cancelled
 
notintheface said:
Starting legal action based upon actions in-game definitely gets into the coffee-is-hot side of our judicial system but again, it happens all the time.
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Are you referring to the case against McDonalds for serving superheated coffee? If so, you don't know the details of the case. McDonalds was serving coffee in sealed cups that were pressure tight. They would reheat those cups in a microwave, causing the coffee to become superheated (hotter than the boiling temperature of water at atmospheric pressure). This caused the pressure in the sealed cup to increase, preventing the coffee from boiling. When the plaintiff broke the pressure seal by pushing the straw or stirrer (can't remember exactly) through the lid, the pressure in the cup dropped to atmospheric pressure causing the coffee to boil over and spew out of the cup under pressure. Everyone expects coffee to be hot, but they do not expect the coffee to spray out of the cup under pressure as the coffee boils over. The plaintiff received 3rd degree burns to their crotch and McDonalds justifiably lost that case. There are bad lawsuit cases out there, but this is not one of them.
 
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