that is the kind of answer you would expect from a soccer ref. Most would call it a bleacher but if only a few used it then maybe we could apply advantage and it wouldn't be a bleacher , how old is the bleacher? depending on its skill level it may or may not be a bleacher. Was it intentional that the people put it there meant it as a bleacher or did they intend it to be simply benches close together for seats .......and you better not call it a bleacher if the refs call it a bench...that is abusive behavior. It could get you removed from the field, especially if it is a youth ref calling it a bench not a bleacher...
SoCal Soccer Attitude Change
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baldref
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so much anger and hate. i feel bad for you.
Just a Parent
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How many times, on average, has anyone used them, say, in the last ten years during a game?
Actually, it is the kind of answer one would expect from JaP. Don't confuse him with the referee you usually see at your children's games.
Just a Parent
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I would give him a break. He is just frustrated that someone called him on his lie that soccer referees dismiss people from the bleachers.
Just a Parent
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It appears this thread may yet turn out to be fun.
What does it matter? You said there weren't any bleachers you were incorrect right?
Jap being shown to be wrong is where the JaP word games begin.
Just a Parent
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I said there weren't any bleachers because there aren't.
I also said I have never seen any soccer referee dismiss anyone from the bleachers. I haven't.
Just a Parent
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Does anyone know how to get the laughing emoticon?
coachrefparent
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JAP has generally in the past been a bit [...] but these posts are particularly direct. Is the San Berdardino complex you refer to at 2500 PACIFIC ST, HIGHLAND, CA 92346? Or another location?
Ask sheriff joe he was the guy who referred to the bleachers in SB. I merely have said that the answer when told where the bleachers were, was silly. In my other post I should have referred to sidelines not bleachers as I have never seen refs in other youth sports dismiss spectators for their comments from the "sidelines" for their comments. They just tune out the crowd. I understand that the refs feel empowered by the code of conduct but I assume most other sports have similar codes. I know the high schools have codes of conduct for athletics. It just seems to me that youth soccer refs have a hyper sensitivity to crowd comments unlike the refs of other sports . As I have stated many times I have never engaged a ref in a game let alone questioned there decision. I have witnessed it happen many times, and in almost all the cases, if the ref had just ignored the person, coach etc and kept the game going the incident would have resulted in nothing vice an ejection, card, argument.
Just a Parent
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So, you want referees to ignore competition rules? What other rules would you suggest they ignore as well?
But leave alone youth sports. How about professional sports? What do you think will happen if a spectator leaves his seat and gets to the sideline to question the referee or AR? How many comments do you guess he will make? Do you think he will watch the remainder of the match from that point?
In most sports the spectators are policed/monitored by the venue, i.e. Security, stadium staff etc not the referees. I just think refs spend too much time and effort doing that part of their tasking wether directed to or not. Is guessing that those rules were developed by the leagues, cal south, tournaments in order to promote sportsmanship and good will for the parents who desire a more "civilized, cultured, and wholesome" atmosphere for their kids. I guess I would prefer that type of stuff is self taught and not legislated by the league. Of course I am somewhat. Barbaric and less civilized than most.
Just a Parent
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In soccer, referees are still responsible for sideline conduct regardless of the venue.
But speaking for myself, I don't care what the reasons are behind this. My job is to simply enforce competitition rules. Control of sideline is the easiest of all my tasks and takes the least time.
coachrefparent
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Yes, why on earth would we want this as opposed to (mostly) clueless people challenging, insulting and otherwise yelling the whole match (over which way a throw in should go, no less)?
How's parents' ignorance of the game relevant to abuse? Abuse is abuse regardless whether the parent knows the game or not. If it's abuse, refs have the authority to throw them out and that's that.
"How's that a foul?" or "Our call" are annoying and obnoxious but are not abusive. These are mistakes just like refs' bad calls, or mistakes about game lengths or reentry rules. Spectators in other sports boo refs, question their calls, but game goes on. There's no reason why soccer refs need bubble wraps any more than refs in other sports.
We had a girl on defense get knocked down 3 times by the forward that she was guarding. About a 6" and 30LB difference. Call could go either way. Nothing called. Couple times our coach would say "she is shoving her with her arm", but nothing more than that. About the 4th time the girl ran right through our girl, who doesn't get up, and the referee called it. The opposing sideline went crazy. Referee warned them. Understand we are on the opposite side and can hear their yelling. One guy(parent/coach not sure) then yells something like "we are paying you guys start refereeing correctly(maybe not as nice and I put it)" and the referee threw him out.
To me, the parents/coaches on the sidelines are setting bad examples. Its one thing to make a quick comment about something, but parents and coaches need to get over it. The referee seemed to ignore simple comments from both sides and kept the play going. When it started getting over the top, and then the integrity of the referee was called into question, they were thrown out. I've seen a coach throw a stop watch into the chest of a referee, cops called on a assistant coach, foul language that just won't stop from parents. I've asked my daughter what she thinks of everything going on, and she feels embarrassed for some of the coaches and parents.
Note this has occurred at high school football games my older daughter cheers at, and at basketball games where all the parents for one team were thrown out. I've noticed that the coaches set an example for the parents. If they see the coach act a certain way, they start acting the same way. In the heat of the moment you might make a comment, but then we parents need to close our mouths and get back to the game.
To me, the parents/coaches on the sidelines are setting bad examples. Its one thing to make a quick comment about something, but parents and coaches need to get over it. The referee seemed to ignore simple comments from both sides and kept the play going. When it started getting over the top, and then the integrity of the referee was called into question, they were thrown out. I've seen a coach throw a stop watch into the chest of a referee, cops called on a assistant coach, foul language that just won't stop from parents. I've asked my daughter what she thinks of everything going on, and she feels embarrassed for some of the coaches and parents.
Note this has occurred at high school football games my older daughter cheers at, and at basketball games where all the parents for one team were thrown out. I've noticed that the coaches set an example for the parents. If they see the coach act a certain way, they start acting the same way. In the heat of the moment you might make a comment, but then we parents need to close our mouths and get back to the game.
The implications that most parents are clueless always comes up. Can't speak for all teams, but many of the ref "abusers" that I know aren't the clueless ones. They are the former college players, current and former coaches and current and former refs. People who have been around the sport for a while. One of the most vocal parents from my daughters team is actually a current ref who has been doing for a while, not a clueless soccer mom.
Wait for it.... Here come the refs lol!!
jrcaesar
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I don't know what's more offensive here, using the term "clueless soccer mom" or suggesting that a referee is badgering another referee during your daughter's games?