You called yourself a moron, haha. While I would not go that far, if any of the idiocy that takes place in our youth soccer on all fronts is so disturbing to you, perhaps you should take genesis, yourself, and all of our misplaced energy with less importance? Just a thought.
If the Express coach questioned some calls in a polite tone, he's a f'ing moron and you want him suspended, do you feel the same way if the same kid wears a jersey and the coach questions in a polite tone his plays?
Believe me, I place very little importance on what goes on this forum or in soccer in general. My DD plays and likes the sport, me not so much. Honestly, just a way to entertain myself while I work the graveyard shift occasionally to help pay for the darn sport. I do enjoy a good debate though especially with those who get so riled up in here. My DD has one more year and off to college so after that you will not see my ugly mug on here again.....
If a coach questions your kid's calls in a polite and pleasant tone, that's not abuse. That's life. In school, fully grown adults will question his work ethics. On the field, coaches will question his effort, toughness or abilities. Once he's learned to drive, he'll be cut off on the freeway. His steaks will be overcooked. Life is not perfect. Neither are people. Maturity in part is the ability to accept people's mistakes, as long as it doesn't arise to abuse. What he can learn is that with authority comes boundaries and accountability, unlike what a couple of refs on this forum have you believe, whether he becomes student body president, congressman or CEO. Not all minor wrongs can or need be remedied.
amen to that
What a bunch of crap....someday that kid is gonna have to get questioned on his/her decisions....questioning tactfully is not abuse. Nobody is advocating yelling at the kid. so as a coach do I tell my team, "sorry that ref made a couple bad calls and messed up your attempt at the goal, but his confidence and development is way more important than yours." That is why colleges now have had to double their counseling staffs because professors hold students accountable and they cant handle it. I wonder is that is how his teachers treat him, "its OK that you didn't study for this test and screwed up many answers, I am gonna tell u good job and give you an A for effort anyway......wow.
Too many coaches questioning the 13 year old and he never makes it to the next year. Thays an asinine argument.
Perhaps he/she shouldn't. My DD did tryouts for a couple teams and didn't make the cut. Should they have taken her even though she wasn't doing a good enough job? She didn't quit though, worked hard and came back the next year and made the team. A youth ref couldnt do that?
Why would they? It's not a spot on a team. There aren't many kids who yearn to referee. It's very difficult to get the younger kids to stick with it. And going back to my question from many posts ago..... What does a U8 coach have to gain from questioning a 13 year old center? Since all you coaches are afraid to answer let me help you. Absolutely nothing. It's reflex. It means nothing. Are you working that kid to get the next call like in a high level older match? Or are you setting a poor example for the players, letting them know it's ok to question the ref on a throw in at the mid line? Even if it makes no difference. At U8, teach them to play, to argue, not dive, not question calls, not act up. It gets that coach nothing. It hurts that youth ref. Wide up
Of course you are right. Cal South, Presidio and other leagues nationwide all have it wrong. If only they had your insight; If only they would listen to you. Idiots, all of them.
Where is the CalSouth rule that prohibits anyone from talking to a youth ref? Or is it one of your "rules of thumb?" Speaking of which, you still haven't answered where in LOTG is "referee credibility" mentioned? And where in LOTG is the cap on the number of fouls can AR call?
From Cal South Code of Conduct:
Surfref claims that Calsouth and all leagues have guidelines specific to youth referees.
These are from Cal South, and apply to all game officials. So I guess he's being generous, as are all referees for putting up with the violation of these rules in every match. I know I'm guilty on occasion as a parent or coach, and I appreciate the discretion.
I would agree with what you are saying, noting though that Cal south is looking out for its own interests first, not the interests of the players/coaches/parents. The code of conduct refers to officials but does not include them with specific guidelines as it does for the players, coaches and parents. I assume the officials are governed by a different code of conduct?? I have no issues with officials who come and call the game as they see it. There is always going to be calls that can go either way and depending on what team you are rooting for you are going to be biased toward the call. My issue is with officials who feel like they have some obligation to officiate the manners, etiquette, and demeanor of the fans...We tend to forget that if the soccer community desires for the sport to continue to grow it cannot only cater to parents who are bound by the Cal South agreements they have to sign to allow their kids to play. what a bout just a fan? Can't I as a member of the community got see the local team play? What if i get loud and offend the ref? Threatening me with removal from the game has a whole lot less effect that it does with a parent. That is where I think that the refs need to analyze if the "abuse" they feel they may be receiving is worth stopping the game and getting confrontational. From the games I have attended in other countries whose spectators were more than just parents, I consider American fans to be somewhat calm. We don't riot when our local club loses or wins.
what if the games on mars allow fans to shoot the referees with ray guns? that makes it ok in America and therefor calsouth? your argument is moot. this is where it is and what it is. and if a fan, not a parent, is abusive, then they will be asked to leave. if they don't, the game will be stopped until such time the proper authorities are called and they are removed. pretty simple and i don't understand any argument against it. if any adult, is ruining a game played by younger people, they are wrong. period. coach. parent. whomever.
