I have said positive and negative things about beach. I have also been clear on some of the issues I see with beach specifically and club soccer in general. I do not think this forum needs to be, no offense to others, a personal journal. Not one of the negative things I have said about beach has been refuted by others. Also, based on merits, if the people that run beach were a terrific group of people, then I think they would be in ECNL. Clearly I'm not alone. I'm glad you and others had different experiences.