Say bye-bye-bye to Girls and Boys DA

[EOTL]

ULittles play in pro/rel all over the place. all it does is give us mostly fair games within a short drive.

I have not had a problem with a coach asking dd to play hurt. He knows injury rate is #1 for us, and has been great. Just need a good relationship with the coach.

I think EOTL's main objection is that pro/rel would weaken the market power of the big clubs like Blues.

U littles are playing for fun, not to go to Stanford. Pro/rel also makes sense with little kids because, unlike with older kids who know where they rank in the food chain and sort themselves out accordingly, but the little ones don’t, so someone else needs to do it.

I’m just telling you how it is and why. Any time you start a sentence with “I wish...”, “I want...” or “Wouldn’t it be great if...”, you may as well end it with “clouds were made out of candy and it rained gummy bears.” Promotion/relegation doesn’t work at the highest level of youth girls soccer. I know that because it doesn’t exist despite years of cheap ass whiny parents like yourself constantly clambering for it. Clubs giving away high quality training doesn’t work, and I know that for the same reason.

You claim that big clubs are chicken, when the reality is you’re chicken to have your kid try out at a real club because you know how that will go. Either she’ll get cut because she isn’t good enough, or she’ll get cut because you don’t pay. Your daughter’s star teammate can’t carry your kid forever and should not be expected to do so.

 

[Ellejustus]

They may, but that is a huge ego blow. Pats DA, as set forth in many previous posts, did not have quite the success as Legends and Beach. I can't see Legends and Beach accepting regional relegation, even with a path forward (I also think they know their best players and coaches will jump ship if they take that route). The business model for beach is based on da and development toward da. That way, they can keep tons of absolutely shitty flight iii teams with bad coaches, with the promise of a better tomorrow. Those excellent top teams keep the $$$$$ coming in to fund the "non profit". Without that promise of a better tomorrow, the wheels come off.

Maybe top team goes ECRL and then their other teams do the GAL League? I like that too. Bottom line, who cares what league your team is in next season. Just find the right suit and all will be well.....lol....jk......having fun everyone and please don;t take me so serious. Please........... We should only have the top ECRL teams play ECNL teams. This is actually all so stupid. It;s time for everyone to use their Soccer Mulligan. Say sorry and lets get all the top teams in a league for 2020-2021. Lets call it ECNL. We will all start together at the start gate and play the games and then separate the teams based on the actually outcome of the games for playoffs 2021-2022 season. Regulate from the 2020-2021 results

 

[dad4]

U littles are playing for fun, not to go to Stanford. Pro/rel also makes sense with little kids because, unlike with older kids who know where they rank in the food chain and sort themselves out accordingly, but the little ones don’t, so someone else needs to do it.

I’m just telling you how it is and why. Any time you start a sentence with “I wish...”, “I want...” or “Wouldn’t it be great if...”, you may as well end it with “clouds were made out of candy and it rained gummy bears.” Promotion/relegation doesn’t work at the highest level of youth girls soccer. I know that because it doesn’t exist despite years of cheap ass whiny parents like yourself constantly clambering for it. Clubs giving away high quality training doesn’t work, and I know that for the same reason.

You claim that big clubs are chicken, when the reality is you’re chicken to have your kid try out at a real club because you know how that will go. Either she’ll get cut because she isn’t good enough, or she’ll get cut because you don’t pay. Your daughter’s star teammate can’t carry your kid forever and should not be expected to do so.

College path? Blues sends more girls to surgery than to Stanford. Bad bargain even if you are that good.

Soccer should be for fun at all levels, not just U Little. If it isn't fun, why are you there?

 

[Emma]

The left column looks like the invite list to a very good tournament. I'd be happy for my dd team to play any of them.

Hope those 17 clubs are talking to each other. If ECNL are going to be pricks about it, the top DA clubs need to work together to set up events.

U littles are playing for fun, not to go to Stanford. Pro/rel also makes sense with little kids because, unlike with older kids who know where they rank in the food chain and sort themselves out accordingly, but the little ones don’t, so someone else needs to do it.

I’m just telling you how it is and why. Any time you start a sentence with “I wish...”, “I want...” or “Wouldn’t it be great if...”, you may as well end it with “clouds were made out of candy and it rained gummy bears.” Promotion/relegation doesn’t work at the highest level of youth girls soccer. I know that because it doesn’t exist despite years of cheap ass whiny parents like yourself constantly clambering for it. Clubs giving away high quality training doesn’t work, and I know that for the same reason.

You claim that big clubs are chicken, when the reality is you’re chicken to have your kid try out at a real club because you know how that will go. Either she’ll get cut because she isn’t good enough, or she’ll get cut because you don’t pay. Your daughter’s star teammate can’t carry your kid forever and should not be expected to do so.

Pro/rel at all age groups is what keeps clubs honest and striving to be the best. If some clubs resort to lots of long balls to win, then it helps other teams in the league learn how to deal with long balls. The will to win is the most important thing in any sport. It's not fair to other clubs in the league, especially the ones that worked hard to develop strong players and teams, if the bottom 2-3 teams don't bring their best challenge to the games year in and year out. There must be something that holds clubs accountable in the ECNL. There are only a few clubs in the ECNL that consistently develop players and place them in colleges bc of their soccer abilities. Those Clubs will not be affected by pro/rel. The ones that will be affected are the ones not developing the players or the game and not contributing to the league competitively. Why continue to keep them in the same league if they are under performing and hurting the development of the real deal clubs? If ECNL hasn't learned how vulnerable it is by excluding clubs and not promoting/relegating based commitment to competition and development, then it will again suffer the same fate in a few years again.

Pro/rel should only be feared by those clubs/teams that are only in an elite league bc of their friendships. Your blues/slammers/surf teams will not have to worry about it but big clubs that are "chicken" would be afraid of it.

 

[Kicker4Life]

I think the question that should be asked is not what your DPL team is doing but what are your former DA teams doing? Are they becoming part of DPL?

Much better question! Not GAL or DPL although I can see why there was confusion.

 

[Flipthrow]

“Blues sends more girls to surgery than to Stanford.”

I appreciate this remark. Size and skill are tough to beat. Some of their teams we would call the black and blues because of all the bruises they would give out. Know plenty of their very good players that had to quit soccer as the injuries piled up because of the style they played.

 

[Kicknit22]

What the hell is “GAL” League or “ECRL”? Are these new leagues?

 

[Copa9]

“Blues sends more girls to surgery than to Stanford.”

I appreciate this remark. Size and skill are tough to beat. Some of their teams we would call the black and blues because of all the bruises they would give out. Know plenty of their very good players that had to quit soccer as the injuries piled up because of the style they played.

Or when two of their players take a player down and a third one comes in and kicks the player in the head while she is down. Ref rarely sees it because of all the bodies. Been there seen that.

 

[Ellejustus]

“Blues sends more girls to surgery than to Stanford.”

I appreciate this remark. Size and skill are tough to beat. Some of their teams we would call the black and blues because of all the bruises they would give out. Know plenty of their very good players that had to quit soccer as the injuries piled up because of the style they played.

Similar to 95% of the D1 schools too. Have you gone out to see a college game up live and personal? Tad is getting his goats ready for college. Too much soccer games is the real issue. My dd played over 100 games when she was 9 at legends. She always was asked to guest play with their top teams and we always accepted. Even when Goats FC called, we were there within 60 minutes This is why the GDA tried so hard to make "development" the standard and not both.

 

[Hawkeye]

That sucks. Kicker says its already happening at Beach & Legends. I think the timing of all this is piss poor for all of us. USSF don;t care about us at all. I felt like sh*t two years ago when my dd got locked out of all the fun and now some you know how it feels. However, I want all the top clubs playing together and I want a fair way to compete. How about this for ECNL idea. Take all the other top teams left out this year and make an "ECNL Independent League" for 2020-2021. They can take top four to playoffs. Too many good teams and lets stop all the poaching. Then in 2021-2022 season the ECNL can learn what are the best teams based on playing in the games and make their top tier league and then a regional league. Then we have a local tier 1 or flight one league where good local teams can be formed and actually challenge some of the ECNL teams. I predict parents will not want all this division. It sucks to move teams you guys and the girls have been through so much already.

Yup, the solution is so obvious and staring everyone in the face. ECNL just runs the DA league, basically intact, for the next year. The DA teams each play a crossover game against the ECNL teams. They use the DA showcase venues and increase the number of showcases. No one needs to go through the turmoil of figuring out which several thousand ECNL players should be displaced by several thousand DA players, and where the displaced players should all land, in a crazy situation where no one in the country can even train or tryout in person for the next couple months, at best. Then, based on results, they merge everyone into two tiers of 70 or so teams with promotion and relegation (and some crossover play in leagues and showcases) the following year.

 

[Kicknit22]

@Ellejustus , you keep referring to your kid and other players as “goats”. Do you know what “goat” means? Or do I not know what it means, in the context in which you’re using the word? Because if I’m right, and I’m not saying I am, it can’t be plural. There’s one Goat and I doubt anyone on this forum can claim to have raised them.

 

[Kicknit22]

Sheep, yes. Goats, no.

 

[sdklutz]

@Ellejustus , you keep referring to your kid and other players as “goats”. Do you know what “goat” means? Or do I not know what it means, in the context in which you’re using the word? Because if I’m right, and I’m not saying I am, it can’t be plural. There’s one Goat and I doubt anyone on this forum can claim to have raised them.

Ya, you don't know his definition of goat...ba, ba, ba, baaaaa

 

[EOTL]

Pro/rel at all age groups is what keeps clubs honest and striving to be the best. If some clubs resort to lots of long balls to win, then it helps other teams in the league learn how to deal with long balls. The will to win is the most important thing in any sport. It's not fair to other clubs in the league, especially the ones that worked hard to develop strong players and teams, if the bottom 2-3 teams don't bring their best challenge to the games year in and year out. There must be something that holds clubs accountable in the ECNL. There are only a few clubs in the ECNL that consistently develop players and place them in colleges bc of their soccer abilities. Those Clubs will not be affected by pro/rel. The ones that will be affected are the ones not developing the players or the game and not contributing to the league competitively. Why continue to keep them in the same league if they are under performing and hurting the development of the real deal clubs? If ECNL hasn't learned how vulnerable it is by excluding clubs and not promoting/relegating based commitment to competition and development, then it will again suffer the same fate in a few years again.

Pro/rel should only be feared by those clubs/teams that are only in an elite league bc of their friendships. Your blues/slammers/surf teams will not have to worry about it but big clubs that are "chicken" would be afraid of it.

I’m just telling you that you are hoping for a fantasy that is not financially sustainable and would not be effective either. You are hoping for the soccer equivalent of communism. What if everyone got to own a rainbow? Wouldn’t it be so great? Somebody should make that happen.

 

[dad4]

Or when two of their players take a player down and a third one comes in and kicks the player in the head while she is down. Ref rarely sees it because of all the bodies. Been there seen that.

Had a civil lawsuit in San Jose water polo over that kind of stuff. Knee to the face under the water, where the ref can't see. The ref won't look at the video and the doctor's report, but a jury will.

 

[dad4]

I’m just telling you that you are hoping for a fantasy that is not financially sustainable and would not be effective either. You are hoping for the soccer equivalent of communism. What if everyone got to own a rainbow? Wouldn’t it be so great? Somebody should make that happen.

You are putting words in other people's mouths again. If you want to argue with yourself, why do you need a forum?

 

[Ellejustus]

Yup, the solution is so obvious and staring everyone in the face. ECNL just runs the DA league, basically intact, for the next year. The DA teams each play a crossover game against the ECNL teams. They use the DA showcase venues and increase the number of showcases. No one needs to go through the turmoil of figuring out which several thousand ECNL players should be displaced by several thousand DA players, and where the displaced players should all land, in a crazy situation where no one in the country can even train or tryout in person for the next couple months, at best. Then, based on results, they merge everyone into two tiers of 70 or so teams with promotion and relegation (and some crossover play in leagues and showcases) the following year.

Brilliant. Man, you guys who know how to write without emotion say what I was really trying to say. I 100% want all this unified. Let's do it for the girls and worry about winning teams after the girls are settled. Some girls should be free to look around, but lets put a "no club coach contacting goats."

 

[Ellejustus]

@Ellejustus , you keep referring to your kid and other players as “goats”. Do you know what “goat” means? Or do I not know what it means, in the context in which you’re using the word? Because if I’m right, and I’m not saying I am, it can’t be plural. There’s one Goat and I doubt anyone on this forum can claim to have raised them.

Goat is in the eye of the beholder bro. My dd is my goat soccer player. With words like "Elite" "Premier" "World Class" "Top Tier" "Development" and so on, your going to give me a hard time with my dd is a goat? How about my dd is an "elite" soccer player playing in the Elite Club National league? Or my dd is world class playa because she played in the DA? My dd is a soccer player who played for the Goat FC team where I found out about the socal soccer forum. So what?

 

[Ellejustus]

@Ellejustus , you keep referring to your kid and other players as “goats”. Do you know what “goat” means? Or do I not know what it means, in the context in which you’re using the word? Because if I’m right, and I’m not saying I am, it can’t be plural. There’s one Goat and I doubt anyone on this forum can claim to have raised them.

You will never hear me say my dd is a Unicorn though. Maps taught me that word and I agree 100%. Goat soccer player=Top soccer player with 3.9 or less. Sheep soccer player fills the rest of the roster spots of 19-33. I get all the terms bro.

 

[MacDre]

Had a civil lawsuit in San Jose water polo over that kind of stuff. Knee to the face under the water, where the ref can't see. The ref won't look at the video and the doctor's report, but a jury will.

Damn you’re on to something. Lot’s of deep pockets and assets in elite club soccer.
Mac & Dad LLP “penalty chasers”