Say bye-bye-bye to Girls and Boys DA

Kicker4Life said:
Well, I matter what, your still a bit disillusioned. You insinuated that I said Kids we’re leaving. I just said its a feeding frenzy. You can figure out who the predators are who sniff wounded bait. You keep trying to insult me that I chose US Soccer and I insult ECNL. The “monopoly” was the DOC’s in SoCal (you repeatedly say are corrupt) keeping Clubs out bc of the fertile recruiting grounds. Not ECNL as and organization. I have always chosen the Coach over the League or level of play and it’s worked out pretty well for both my DD’s.

Stop trying to spin the facts.

We can both agree that a singular league with Promotion/Relegation is good for Soccer.

You keep throwing some threat of head to head competition at me like i should be concerned. Is it intentional or am I misreading you?
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A singular league with promotion/relegation would be the worst thing possible for youth soccer. Development depends on high quality clubs with high quality coaches, providing consistent, high quality training for many years. That, in turn, requires that clubs and coaches have financial incentive to do what they are doing. If a real club risks losing $80,000 in fees per team every year when players scatter to yahoo clubs because the team got relegated, the good coaches go away to find real jobs. The possibility that their only source of income might instantly vaporize if a 12 year old girl gets hurt is no way to make a living, and even dumbest soccer people understand that. So you end up with only daddy coaches. All promotion/relegation does at the highest level is destabilize youth soccer and drive the best coaches to find other occupations.

Even aside from the inevitable drop in quality of training as daddy coaches take over, promotion/relegation gets in the way of development in other critical ways. Suddenly every U12 game becomes critical to win at the expense of long term development. Kids are forced to play hurt when an entire team’s worth of fees are on the line. No coach is going to emphasize possession soccer at young ages, because young kids make a lot of mistakes playing possession, and that will inevitably cause them to lose games and get relegated.

And why would we be doing this? Because some cheap ass daddies whose self-esteem depends on how many soccer games their 12 year old daughter wins want it. Because those idiot daddies can’t see past tomorrow and fail to grasp that the real purpose of elite girls soccer is not to win a U12 game, but is really college opportunity. They don’t want to pay for or receive high quality training and development because all they care about is that their daughter wins a soccer game today.

That said, it is possible but doubtful that ECNL may create a very limited 2 tier system, but only to the extent it won’t cause kids to switch clubs if a team moves to the lower tier. It would do this through geographical restrictions so that new clubs are not on top of existing ones geographically.
 
MacDre said:
Valid points. I guess my definition of late bloomer would be a lot more narrow than yours. I think any athlete that could make an “old school” competitive freshman, jv, or varsity HS team is a solid athlete. A late bloomer would be a kid that couldn’t make the freshman team freshman year but was starting varsity their senior year. I think your definition is too broad because it could include anyone that shows improvement as a late bloomer.

Also genes are only part of the equation. You also need desire and the right environment. I think it’s rare to have all three.
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So by your definition there is never a late bloomer and a coach should always go for size and speed. I am not being critical I am just questioning. As I said if that was the case at 10 my son would have been defined as an offensive lineman i
VegasParent said:
Sounds like he will have some good options. I saw him play early in the season and was hoping to catch another game this year. If there is a high school season this year I will see a game since our kids will be at the same school. My kid was having a good season. I hate that it ended early but it's good that she gets some time off. She usually only got 2 weeks off a year in the last 3 years. She hates it, but I know she needs it.
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J is going to Gorman. That is so awesome. She will love it. I will to watch her shine. You just made my day. We have a new mens coach this year Tommy took a sports directors job at another school.
 
VegasParent said:
The main thing is getting good competitive games. If some of the DA teams that didn't get into ECNL can play in the same league then it will be ok. If not we will be chasing tournaments again to find good games.
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I heard the GDA league is coming together in a sort of Regional League. I haven't heard if there will be showcases but the competition will be there for you all. When we get back this sooner than later.
 
pokergod said:
well, that will keep the talent and coaches.
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Legends Classic will be a classic. I know in the old days most clubs would do a "you play in my tournament and I will play in yours" but those days seem over for sure. Maybe we can take the ECNL champs and play the DPL champs for bragging rights? DPL is way better now and I have way more respect for this new league then the old GDA League. They really believe in the GDA philosophy though and I think we should all respect that. Is this league allowing HS Soccer Kicker? Cost to join new league?
 
MacDre said:
IDK but my kids club peeled Pareja from FCD before he was fired and went to Orlando. Pareja is known for ability to work with young players...do you think it’s possible FCD is in a downward spiral after Pareja left?
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Not likely. FCD is a well run organization from the top. However, I will add that I did not know that Pareja was going to get the axe. I was under the impression that Xolos lured him away. Interesting...
 
Ellejustus said:
Most girls are going to quit at the rate were going. Might be good idea for some. So many other sports to play too. If ECNL was all that, why didnlt you guys tell your freaking Doc Heads that you all brag about to enroll in the ECNL last year? That is your outstanding clubs fault. They made you sleep in the bed with US Soccer and their lies the problem. That was a very bad choice by your clubs docs and now your all mad at US Soccer. Maybe get mad at your club for not seeing what I saw two years ago. NC Courage and Surf were the smart ones and all the Reals in Socal and CO. Maybe apply for next year and see what happens. Its just soccer you guys.
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I know, let's make ECNL disappear tomorrow. Haha. Start over from scratch. Tryouts everywhere. If little Susie can't compete at 12, 13, 14, 15 on up she shouldn't be playing and wasting her parents money. She should look for another sport because she will most likely not make it in college. So many little Susies will get their hearts broken in the next year or two with the way things are happening. It might be just three or four players per team to start with, then five or six the next year, then we will really see comments here.
dad4 said:
I would be just fine without showcases. Especially at lower ages.

If we aren’t top 40 nationally, don’t make us fly.

If we are top 40, don’t make us fly to play some weak sauce opponent.
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Kicker4Life said:
Only way that happens is if the parents don’t have enough faith in the Coaching staff at DA Clubs who have to swallow the bitter pill and play ECRL to prove their way up like Pats chose to do.

These times will show who really believes in “Follow the Coach, not the League”........
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If the DA players leave in mass, this time next year there will be a lot of Kool-Aid following ECNL parents crying "wait, what happened, my daughter was in the top seven on the team. Why is she sitting on the beach?".
 
Ellejustus said:
Legends Classic will be a classic. I know in the old days most clubs would do a "you play in my tournament and I will play in yours" but those days seem over for sure. Maybe we can take the ECNL champs and play the DPL champs for bragging rights? DPL is way better now and I have way more respect for this new league then the old GDA League. They really believe in the GDA philosophy though and I think we should all respect that. Is this league allowing HS Soccer Kicker? Cost to join new league?
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It looks like they will allow HS and are going to address the sub rules. My DD got a few DPL games in (after her injury) down in TX, competition was not like the DA teams (duh) but not too bad. Solar's #3 team and FC #2 but just nice to see the kid play again.
 
Copa9 said:
If the DA players leave in mass, this time next year there will be a lot of Kool-Aid following ECNL parents crying "wait, what happened, my daughter was in the top seven on the team. Why is she sitting on the beach?".
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Troll off and give it a rest. gda failed so quit crying it's tiresome listening to you whine over and over again
 
Mile High Dad said:
It looks like they will allow HS and are going to address the sub rules. My DD got a few DPL games in (after her injury) down in TX, competition was not like the DA teams (duh) but not too bad. Solar's #3 team and FC #2 but just nice to see the kid play again.
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So they changed the main Philosophy? They you go. This was always about control of the girls lives and power. Not letting the girls play HS Soccer was so stupid the company failed.
"As disappointed as we are from our FEDERATION ((Company)), we feel we have a unique opportunity to take the reins ((take over the failed company and start a new one)) and take a more collaborative approach to player development." Come on you guys, you already new your fate. The spin masters on this forum are so exposed. Again, I like that their is a league for theses teams and I can;t wait until we get some inter-league games going. Who cares what league your in. Follow the coach all the way to the finish line :)
 
Kicker4Life said:
I know, but don’t think Clubs like Beach didn’t already experience that for years prior to DA. I am hoping parents see the long game (overly optimistic, I know). Next year is on the rocks anyway. Likely no real National Showcases and USSF shuttered the YNT program at every age not in a WC Cycle (No Coach, no budget, no scout to stay in favor with). I already know a lot former DA Clubs have lost top talent and I am sure Beach will too.

The decisions the Clubs have to make are double edged swords and neither lends itself to retaining talent.
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Wow! In just three days,contracts broken and new ones signed and fees paid. Haha
Ellejustus said:
I keep hearing that too. Let me ask you Poker god, do you think if Beach went to Lavers last June and said, "We want to be all in ECNL and play soccer monopoly with you and the other gangsters" that ECNL would have welcomed them to the ecnl family? Blues were in the idea position because of their brand and success. GDA tried to destroy Tad's top team before age change and then through all this BS, he still has #1 team in the country. Blues had both only because they won championships, period.
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No they had championship teams because they consistently recruit top players from other teams, period. Baker
soccerfan123 said:
Troll off and give it a rest. gda failed so quit crying it's tiresome listening to you whine over and over again
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Not crying over it, stating facts, dd is already committed to a top D1 so doesn't matter personally . Can't wait to hear all the complaints from ECNL players in the next two years.
 
vegasguy said:
So by your definition there is never a late bloomer and a coach should always go for size and speed. I am not being critical I am just questioning. As I said if that was the case at 10 my son would have been defined as an offensive lineman i


J is going to Gorman. That is so awesome. She will love it. I will to watch her shine. You just made my day. We have a new mens coach this year Tommy took a sports directors job at another school.
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No. My kid has a birthday of 12/17/07. She has always been one of the smallest, youngest, and slowest on her team; she’s a small technical player similar to Rose Lavelle. I just think the late bloomer theory is a fallacy created to monetize youth soccer/sports. If a kid can’t make a freshman HS team more often then not, they should focus on more fruitful endeavors.
 
Copa9 said:
Wow! In just three days,contracts broken and new ones signed and fees paid. Haha

No they had championship teams because they consistently recruit top players from other teams, period. Baker

Not crying over it, stating facts, dd is already committed to a top D1 so doesn't matter personally . Can't wait to hear all the complaints from ECNL players in the next two years.
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What make you think parents will go all in ECNL or DPL? The customers will decide and I'm telling you it's not so awesome for these leagues right now. ECNL seems stronger financially though. Bro, congrats on the top D1 for dd. That is awesome. BTW, all coaches recruit. What the hell is a coach to do if three of his 16 years just quit soccer? Should he go down to the DPL and call a goat up or should he look for the goats replacements?
 
El Clasico said:
Not likely. FCD is a well run organization from the top. However, I will add that I did not know that Pareja was going to get the axe. I was under the impression that Xolos lured him away. Interesting...
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My personal take is that Xolo’s is a “family” run type shop. Pareja and none of the previous Argentinian coaches were family. So, the Club got what they needed and discarded the coaches. After Pareja helped implement a few things in the Fuerzas Basicas program, he was no longer needed and fired.
 
Ellejustus said:
What make you think parents will go all in ECNL or DPL? The customers will decide and I'm telling you it's not so awesome for these leagues right now. ECNL seems stronger financially though. Bro, congrats on the top D1 for dd. That is awesome. BTW, all coaches recruit. What the hell is a coach to do if three of his 16 years just quit soccer? Should he go down to the DPL and call a goat up or should he look for the goats replacements?
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Too many type-A parents in youth soccer. ECNL will be the new prized patch. The writing is on the wall. I think I can hear the fat lady starting to sing.
 
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