Say bye-bye-bye to Girls and Boys DA

GeekKid said:
I'm sure they'll be invited. Too much talent on both the boys and girls side to keep them out. That was tough for me to say!
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idk, quite a few reasons not to. Quality of teams, isnt in question, more to it than that. 50/50 at best, I wouldn't bet the farm or hold your breath either way.
 
timmyh said:
Easy fix. One solution would be to not let new club who jump in now participate in showcases next year. They can go to big open tournaments instead. Not the end of the world and an easy tradeoff for a club looking to be accepted into ECNL. The following year, limit showcases to the top X clubs per conference and then the others that don't qualify go instead to the big open tourneys instead of showcases.

Zero reason to refuse new club additions that will improve leagues and shorten average travel time just because of showcase field space. That's a very solvable problem.
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Another way which parallels what you are saying is to grown ECRL and make the whole system a Promotion/Relegation system. Top 2 ECRL get promoted, bottom 2 ECNL get relegated.

Have National Showcases and Regional Showcases.
 
timmyh said:
Bringing those couple dozen clubs listed previously in this thread from the Soccer wire top 40 is the exact opposite of dilution. It's consolidation of the best talent, making your league better, and reducing league game travel time.

Excluding them because you don't have field space for a showcase is a problem that can be easily solved. Makes me think it is just an excuse for keeping them out for political or money motivations from existing clubs with influence.
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Tophat will probably get in. Some of the other clubs that have been top level for a long time will get in on a region by region basis. Some teams are going to have to jump ship en masse with coach in tow. This is the beginning of the Purge part Two.
 
When will they players from da clubs join ecnl teams with club soccer being shutdown possibly for a while still? When do ecnl rosters get locked in will they cut players next fall when soccer resumes to make room for the da girls?
 
MakeAPlay said:
Really? What did that add?
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MacDre was referring to areas where you take your life into your own hands driving on the freeway. You might not know that living in SoCal. I pointed out that he's got 4-5 ECNL clubs with an 1 hour drive to him. Furthermore, if California stopped catching and releasing criminals, our streets would be safer. If you don't think so, that's fine, but you could always ask the people that lost a love one this week because someone was let out and shouldn't have been.
 
MakeAPlay said:
To be honest with you the best situation is the purge that is going to happen over the next 12 months. Instead of US Soccer jumping in and picking winners a losers we will go back to simple Darwinism. The clubs that can put out the product that the customers want will survive. The many posers out there that have been selling snake oil are going to wither when the customers leave. I go way back before the formation of the ECNL and they filled a niche that was underserved before. It was formed initially by about 46 or so clubs that all had national championships and reputations for developing college and national team players. Top teams will never pass on a top tier player (unless the parents are train wrecks). The truth is with all of the "elite" teams the true product is much more diluted than it was several years ago when their was one top national league. What is actually going to happen is all of the middle tier and lower tier players who are on "elite" teams now are going to have to move to teams that are appropriate to their actual skill level. Honestly this isn't a bad thing. The top players will actulally get better overall competition and the players that really weren't top level will be able to compete against players that are more in their range which should help them improve their game.

This is going to be a good thing once the initial shock wears off. Good luck to everyone with a player going through this right now and for those whose players just aged out good luck to them at the next level.
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Sort of.

It isn't Darwinism. I can't call it survival of the fittest as long as Legends is out. ( Not my club, but I'd like my daughter to play against them. )

It feels like ECNL wants to pick the winners now that USSF is out.
 
ToonArmy said:
I use to buy weed in EPA in 92 lived in redwood city for a lil bit but from so cal knew no one found the closest drive thru weed spot was definitely hoooooooood. Good times.
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Remember Chevy Chase St in SA? I lived in laguna but had to move my Sr year to Fullerton. Played hoops at Troy. Anyway, I shared some of my "Laguna Weed" with a few players on the team and they couldn;t function afterwards. Fast forward a month or so and the guys asked if I had anymore of my "laced" hippie lettuce. The stuff I had was purple hair skunk from NoCal :) I said no but where can we score some. One guy said he knew a place in SA. I drove us down to Chevy Chase and boy what that interesting. Scored a dime bag, but that was after the first guy took our $50 and never came back with our weed. I got the worst headache ever and asked these boys from Fullerton how they smoke this sh*t? I will say I never went back and I had a little biz going for a few months until I decided to quit altogether.
 
Ellejustus said:
Remember Chevy Chase St in SA? I lived in laguna but had to move my Sr year to Fullerton. Played hoops at Troy. Anyway, I shared some of my "Laguna Weed" with a few players on the team and they couldn;t function afterwards. Fast forward a month or so and the guys asked if I had anymore of my "laced" hippie lettuce. The stuff I had was purple hair skunk from NoCal :) I said no but where can we score some. One guy said he knew a place in SA. I drove us down to Chevy Chase and boy what that interesting. Scored a dime bag, but that was after the first guy took our $50 and never came back with our weed. I got the worst headache ever and asked these boys from Fullerton how they smoke this sh*t? I will say I never went back and I had a little biz going for a few months until I decided to quit altogether.
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This is the DUMBEST sheet I've read on here.....WTF is going on
 
oh canada said:
The problem with pro/rel model in youth amateur sports...

1) Quality of play will suffer - in the quest to win as many games as possible, there would be a lot more kickball and less possession, less creativity, less risk-taking, more coaches yelling at the kids what to do.

2) Individual player development will suffer - due to #1 and the type of player that does better at kickball, guess what type of players will get most/all of the playing time? Also, rosters of 18-20 may only play the same 11-13 kids. So much for the late bloomers.

3) Feeds the problem of Super Teams - most players will flock to the best teams who have the deepest bench with the least chance of being relegated. Didn't we recently read about professional soccer players discussing that one of the most important things for them was how they had to sometimes carry their team or consistently be the one who put the team on his/her back to win a game because they were NOT on a SuperTeam? That builds and teaches grit etc. in the youth game, when they need to learn it.

4) Don't forget who is the league's customer - ECNL's customers are the clubs, not the parents, not the players. Who do they want to keep happy? Their customers. This isn't professional soccer. A new ECNL club can't go out and buy players to join their cause and make for better TV ratings like an Aston Villa, Wigan or Leeds. If doing it the right way, they need time/years to bear fruit of their coaching, development, team cohesion, etc. -- these are 13-17yr old kids, not adults. Clubs want stability. And gosh, after all this upheaval, don't we as families want some stability too? We should want to encourage clubs to develop players over time, not hang out in parking lots and recruit gullible parents. If a top player wants to stay on a mediocre team because his/her friends from school are on that team and because he/she is carrying the load and improving as discussed in #3, the league should encourage that. Not penalize by forcing the kid to go play on SuperTeam and become a cookie-cutter player who plays half as much and develops 50% less.

It's ok to have some incentives and rewards for winning more games -- Cups, better showcase placement, etc. -- but too often we want our kids' athletic experiences to be like what we see on TV--The pros...how they train, how they play, how they're coached (and how many of the coaches see themselves), how they're dressed on the field, how they travel, what they do off the field. But guess what, they're not pros, not adults, and treating them as such will actually hurt them in the long run--burnout, injury, desire, etc.

Pro/rel is a great thing in professional soccer - and I think it should definitely be a part of MLS. But making it a part of a youth league, where the PRIMARY purpose should still be to develop our players as much as possible, would be completely contrary to that goal. If you want to add a couple of clubs each year to your league--ECNL or MLS/hybrid or ABCD--fine, no problem. That, you can do like the pro leagues do--geographically where does it fill a void, which clubs have shown stability and a mission that is consistent with the league, which clubs will add value, etc. Just don't do it at the expense of eliminating other existing customer clubs. Otherwise, you repeat the frustration and disruption that the USSF has currently created and continue the cycle for even more families and players.

Beautiful day out there--find some time to horseplay with your kids today in the street if you haven't already.
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And not to mention, this is really also what the kids want so it's a win win for them. If they get better at soccer it's more fun. The whole winning and pro/rel is about the ADULTS. THE KIDS DON'T CARE. And that doesn't mean they are not competitive. Winning is fun but they would keep playing even if they lose - especially the ones who have more potential in soccer. That's why they are playing Fortnite - they have complete ownership of the experience and it belongs to them, not mom/dad and the coaches.
 
NTX07 said:
No, please don't, it's awful here!
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Believe it or not, I've had a few folks ask about my great goat. Free ride too. I will only give up the beach if they pay for everything. You guys do it right in Texas. I love that state but I was only joking. I would die and my dd would hate me forever. I have to be by the beach. I just hope Gavin listens to others.
 
MakeAPlay said:
The used to be and thus are likely to be announcing that they are back really soon.
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This was posted on here yesterday by one of the Solar parents as to FCD:


Just saw part of an email to FC Dallas families that stated the following...

"The US Soccer Federation has just informed FC Dallas that they will cease operating the Development Academy for both boys and girls.

While we are disappointed at the news, FC Dallas has taken the proactive steps to return to the ECNL. Based on our club history and track record we are looking forward to return."
 
dad4 said:
Sort of.

It isn't Darwinism. I can't call it survival of the fittest as long as Legends is out. ( Not my club, but I'd like my daughter to play against them. )

It feels like ECNL wants to pick the winners now that USSF is out.
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I don't disagree with what you said, but different arguments can easily be made to justify the decision. Borrowing @sdb's map from earlier and ignore the club names for now. Which SoCal area is more under-represented?

If the decision is between the #2 DA club in an area that already has options, vs the #4 DA club in an under-represented area, what's the best long-term choice? (I'm not suggesting this is how the decision was made)

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El Clasico said:
ECNL doesn't need to accept DA clubs to make the league stronger. DA players will be scrambling to find ECNL clubs to join so all the best talent will be in ECNL anyway. Why bring in a bunch of new clubs and maintain the current level of dilution when they have an opportunity to truly make a league with ALL of the strongest teams. I see no reason that they would need to admit Legends (for obvious reasons) or Beach. Been a big fan of Beach for many years and I thought they should have been a shoe in before the DA. The DA came in and changed the landscape and created rivals between clubs that were more than fighting for the same talent. Now ECNL comes out on top and the losers expect to just get an invitation with open arms? Why? When those players will find their way over anyway..
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Yes and if they do, be prepared for a lot of little girls who thought they were studs, being replaced by faster and more skilled players. Many of them will be on tier two teams no matter what their current coach says. :) :)
 
Messi>CR7 said:
I don't disagree with what you said, but different arguments can easily be made to justify the decision. Borrowing @sdb's map from earlier and ignore the club names for now. Which SoCal area is more under-represented?

If the decision is between the #2 DA club in an area that already has options, vs the #4 DA club in an under-represented area, what's the best long-term choice? (I'm not suggesting this is how the decision was made)

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Pats girls are EGSL not ECNL. Wow the driving every weekend will be a nightmare in so. cal. :)
 
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