I believe what your saying is that basically most businesses don't carry, so no insurance costs. It's an at risk sport just like any other injuries....
Say bye-bye-bye to Girls and Boys DA
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The Outlaw *BANNED*
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Marin has been in ECNL less than a year and I think it was more about geography than anything else. If you REALLY want to be a rebel, take your daughter to Troy Dayak at WC in Livermore. He arguably puts as many girls into college programs as anyone there other than Mustang.
Texas will play soccer way before Cali. Gaven has other goals for us
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DA
It will not be "the best players", it will be "the best players whose parent's can afford it". Soccer in the US basically ignores millions of players from low income families (which are approximately half of the population depending on region). How many possible great players are never given a chance? In the short term, ECNL and the club soccer structure have created positive results for those with the means to participate, but in the long term closing the door on so many players will slow the growth of the sport in this country, which will hurt ability for MLS and NWSL to become financially viable. If you want proof, look at the rosters of the top D1 women's teams in the country. While they are amazing athletes and players, they are not the best of the best. Since soccer has a limited number of scholarships, they are the best of the players whose families can afford to send them there with a few token less affluent players thrown in if they are really amazing players.
The old system of local leagues/National Cup/National League/National Championship is a more inclusive model and if US Soccer was run by individuals with foresight, they would figure out a way to make that work. Supposed "Elite" clubs will not always have the best coaches and players (and since they offer coaches an immense amount of power over players, increase the potential for abuse to be tolerated). At this point our only hope is that the players that go through this meat grinder of a system think of something better for their children.
We will see how long Gavin can hold on....A lot of pressure will be coming in many forms from the Feds, municipalities going broke, and protesters..
Another easy solution is to increase the number of showcases (as ECNL already has over the past couple years, with the addition of new clubs and now Phoenix x2 and South Carolina events). Presumably the previously booked DA venues are now open and available. There seems to be a big disconnect between Lavers saying yesterday in the Athletic article he anticipates girls ECNL will “increase substantially” and the notion that clubs like Legends, Beach (and the other 35-40 former DA clubs that are as good or better than the middle third of current ECNL) won’t get in. It’s hard to see ECNL allowing a critical mass of potential competitors to stay out there with the wherewithal to align with Adidas, MLS or whoever to form a rival league. Their best bet is to let almost all of them all in, set up relatively localized competition for next year (which is likely to be necessary anyway due to the uncertainties and destabilization resulting from covid), and move to a couple tiers over time.
ECNL doesn't need to let anyone in, but it's not a question of need. This is their chance to build a real "monopoly" in SoCal girls soccer by being more inclusive and preventing the formation of a rival as Hawkeye stated. I would add every DA club of merit, and then let competition shake out ECNL (tier 1) vs ECRL (tier 2) over the course of what will likely be a shorten seasoned next year anyway. You could form ECNL North (8-9 teams) and ECNL South (9-10 teams). Adding 5 teams from NV and AZ (some already in) gives you 2 divisions of 12 teams.
futboldad1
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The Athletic article was mostly about boys....they mentioned girls and then that quote came but I think it was quite badly written and unclear by the author........confusing....I just don't see ECNL on the girls side worrying about potential rivals after the fed already got knocked off.....
You are quite welcome. I am not trying to make any point about who should or shouldn’t be allowed back in to ECNL. It is not my decision to make, nor is it yours. ECNL can invite whomever they like so long as it is consistent with their bylaws and member agreements. If they make decisions based on settling grudges, that is their decision.
I have no idea what you’re talking about when you say “doesn’t you’re [sic] theory go out the window...” I am not proposing any theory. However ECNL set up its decision making process is however admission decisions are made. If they provide that only founding members make the decisions, great. If they provide that all members make them, also great. If decisions need to be unanimous or simple majority, great or great. It doesn’t matter what anyone wants ECNL’s bylaws and agreements to say. It only matters what they actually say. If it matters to you that much, read them and feel free to report back. I only know that anti-trust laws can’t get in the way of ECNL’s internal practices because it is not a monopoly. I apologize for taking the fun out of everyone’s non-sense statements about monopolies, and mini-monopolies, massive litigation flying out the window, etc.
futboldad1
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futboldad1
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| GDA AND ECNL 2020 Standings Per Club by PPG | ||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| GDA Current Standings (Based on PPG) | ||||||||
| AVG Standings | U14 | U15 | U16 | U17 | U18/U19 | |||
| San Diego Surf | 2.4 | 2 | 1 | 4 | 4 | 1 | ||
| Legends | 4 | 1 | 7 | 5 | 2 | 5 | ||
| LA Galaxy | 5 | 3 | 6 | 1 | 7 | 8 | ||
| Real So Cal | 5.2 | 4 | 8 | 2 | 10 | 2 | ||
| Beach Futbol Club | 6.6 | 13 | 2 | 6 | 3 | 9 | ||
| SC Blues | 6.6 | 6 | 4 | 9 | 1 | 13 | ||
| Albion SC | 7.2 | 5 | 5 | 10 | 5 | 11 | ||
| LA Galaxy San Diego | 8.2 | 10 | 13 | 3 | 11 | 4 | ||
| Pateadores | 9.2 | 12 | 12 | 7 | 8 | 7 | ||
| SC del Sol | 9.2 | 11 | 3 | 12 | 6 | 14 | ||
| LA Surf SC | 9.4 | 9 | 9 | 11 | 12 | 6 | ||
| Utah Royals FC - Arizona | 9.8 | 14 | 11 | 8 | 13 | 3 | ||
| OC Surf Soccer | 10.6 | 7 | 14 | 13 | 9 | 10 | ||
| Albion SC Las Vegas | 11.6 | 8 | 10 | 14 | 14 | 12 | ||
| ECNL Current Standings (Based on PPG) | AVG Standings | U13 | U14 | U15 | U16 | U17 | U18 | U18 Comp |
| LAFC Slammers | 2.4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 8 |
| So Cal Blues SC | 3.7 | 3 | 6 | 8 | 4 | 3 | 1 | 1 |
| Slammers FC | 4.6 | 6 | 3 | 10 | 3 | 1 | 6 | 3 |
| LA Breakers FC | 6.3 | 5 | 8 | 6 | 8 | 4 | 9 | 4 |
| Heat FC | 6.3 | 1 | 4 | 4 | 7 | 10 | 11 | 7 |
| Strikers FC | 6.6 | 11 | 7 | 3 | 5 | 7 | 3 | 10 |
| Arizona Arsenal SC | 7.1 | 9 | 11 | 12 | 6 | 6 | 4 | 2 |
| Phoenix Rising FC | 7.3 | 7 | 9 | 2 | 2 | 12 | 12 | No team |
| Rebels SC | 7.6 | 8 | 2 | 11 | 10 | 5 | 8 | 9 |
| Eagles SC | 7.6 | 4 | 10 | 5 | 12 | 11 | 5 | 6 |
| Arsenal FC | 8.9 | 12 | 5 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 7 | 11 |
| DMCV Sharks | 9.0 | 10 | 12 | 7 | 11 | 8 | 10 | 5 |
vegasguy
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No I am saying insurance against this is not available. Carriers do not cover a loss of business because of COVID. This is in general and as a business owner I would advise you to file a claim. The insurance clubs carry will not cover flu/cold / virus transference. The cost may increase in the future but not because something like this is covered as they will not cover it. Since 2006, in general, policies have excluded events like this (again file a claim as a business owner) . The reason is how do you prove you child got the virus/flu/cold at an event, game, practice? The burden of proof lies with the claimant. Did they get it going to the store to get water prior to practice? What about school? Were Mom and Dad exposed prior..
How deep do you want to go. Insurability is question today. Now there are states with legislation trying to change this, there are lawsuits (Thomas Keller v Hartford) coming down the pipe. As most things in the future, this will be interesting.
MakeAPlay
DA
To be honest with you the best situation is the purge that is going to happen over the next 12 months. Instead of US Soccer jumping in and picking winners a losers we will go back to simple Darwinism. The clubs that can put out the product that the customers want will survive. The many posers out there that have been selling snake oil are going to wither when the customers leave. I go way back before the formation of the ECNL and they filled a niche that was underserved before. It was formed initially by about 46 or so clubs that all had national championships and reputations for developing college and national team players. Top teams will never pass on a top tier player (unless the parents are train wrecks). The truth is with all of the "elite" teams the true product is much more diluted than it was several years ago when their was one top national league. What is actually going to happen is all of the middle tier and lower tier players who are on "elite" teams now are going to have to move to teams that are appropriate to their actual skill level. Honestly this isn't a bad thing. The top players will actulally get better overall competition and the players that really weren't top level will be able to compete against players that are more in their range which should help them improve their game.
This is going to be a good thing once the initial shock wears off. Good luck to everyone with a player going through this right now and for those whose players just aged out good luck to them at the next level.
GeekKid
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I'm sure they'll be invited. Too much talent on both the boys and girls side to keep them out. That was tough for me to say!
MakeAPlay
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Saw this happen years ago when ECNL first started. A player that was just a first round NWSL draft choice left Legends at U13 to go to Blues so that she could play in the ECNL. It worked out for her....
GeekKid
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Can't speak for FLA but the goal is to get back to training at the beginning of May. Can't say what that is going to look like.
I use to buy weed in EPA in 92 lived in redwood city for a lil bit but from so cal knew no one found the closest drive thru weed spot was definitely hoooooooood. Good times.
oh canada
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The problem with pro/rel model in youth amateur sports...
1) Quality of play will suffer - in the quest to win as many games as possible, there would be a lot more kickball and less possession, less creativity, less risk-taking, more coaches yelling at the kids what to do.
2) Individual player development will suffer - due to #1 and the type of player that does better at kickball, guess what type of players will get most/all of the playing time? Also, rosters of 18-20 may only play the same 11-13 kids. So much for the late bloomers.
3) Feeds the problem of Super Teams - most players will flock to the best teams who have the deepest bench with the least chance of being relegated. Didn't we recently read about professional soccer players discussing that one of the most important things for them was how they had to sometimes carry their team or consistently be the one who put the team on his/her back to win a game because they were NOT on a SuperTeam? That builds and teaches grit etc. in the youth game, when they need to learn it.
4) Don't forget who is the league's customer - ECNL's customers are the clubs, not the parents, not the players. Who do they want to keep happy? Their customers. This isn't professional soccer. A new ECNL club can't go out and buy players to join their cause and make for better TV ratings like an Aston Villa, Wigan or Leeds. If doing it the right way, they need time/years to bear fruit of their coaching, development, team cohesion, etc. -- these are 13-17yr old kids, not adults. Clubs want stability. And gosh, after all this upheaval, don't we as families want some stability too? We should want to encourage clubs to develop players over time, not hang out in parking lots and recruit gullible parents. If a top player wants to stay on a mediocre team because his/her friends from school are on that team and because he/she is carrying the load and improving as discussed in #3, the league should encourage that. Not penalize by forcing the kid to go play on SuperTeam and become a cookie-cutter player who plays half as much and develops 50% less.
It's ok to have some incentives and rewards for winning more games -- Cups, better showcase placement, etc. -- but too often we want our kids' athletic experiences to be like what we see on TV--The pros...how they train, how they play, how they're coached (and how many of the coaches see themselves), how they're dressed on the field, how they travel, what they do off the field. But guess what, they're not pros, not adults, and treating them as such will actually hurt them in the long run--burnout, injury, desire, etc.
Pro/rel is a great thing in professional soccer - and I think it should definitely be a part of MLS. But making it a part of a youth league, where the PRIMARY purpose should still be to develop our players as much as possible, would be completely contrary to that goal. If you want to add a couple of clubs each year to your league--ECNL or MLS/hybrid or ABCD--fine, no problem. That, you can do like the pro leagues do--geographically where does it fill a void, which clubs have shown stability and a mission that is consistent with the league, which clubs will add value, etc. Just don't do it at the expense of eliminating other existing customer clubs. Otherwise, you repeat the frustration and disruption that the USSF has currently created and continue the cycle for even more families and players.
Beautiful day out there--find some time to horseplay with your kids today in the street if you haven't already.
1) Quality of play will suffer - in the quest to win as many games as possible, there would be a lot more kickball and less possession, less creativity, less risk-taking, more coaches yelling at the kids what to do.
2) Individual player development will suffer - due to #1 and the type of player that does better at kickball, guess what type of players will get most/all of the playing time? Also, rosters of 18-20 may only play the same 11-13 kids. So much for the late bloomers.
3) Feeds the problem of Super Teams - most players will flock to the best teams who have the deepest bench with the least chance of being relegated. Didn't we recently read about professional soccer players discussing that one of the most important things for them was how they had to sometimes carry their team or consistently be the one who put the team on his/her back to win a game because they were NOT on a SuperTeam? That builds and teaches grit etc. in the youth game, when they need to learn it.
4) Don't forget who is the league's customer - ECNL's customers are the clubs, not the parents, not the players. Who do they want to keep happy? Their customers. This isn't professional soccer. A new ECNL club can't go out and buy players to join their cause and make for better TV ratings like an Aston Villa, Wigan or Leeds. If doing it the right way, they need time/years to bear fruit of their coaching, development, team cohesion, etc. -- these are 13-17yr old kids, not adults. Clubs want stability. And gosh, after all this upheaval, don't we as families want some stability too? We should want to encourage clubs to develop players over time, not hang out in parking lots and recruit gullible parents. If a top player wants to stay on a mediocre team because his/her friends from school are on that team and because he/she is carrying the load and improving as discussed in #3, the league should encourage that. Not penalize by forcing the kid to go play on SuperTeam and become a cookie-cutter player who plays half as much and develops 50% less.
It's ok to have some incentives and rewards for winning more games -- Cups, better showcase placement, etc. -- but too often we want our kids' athletic experiences to be like what we see on TV--The pros...how they train, how they play, how they're coached (and how many of the coaches see themselves), how they're dressed on the field, how they travel, what they do off the field. But guess what, they're not pros, not adults, and treating them as such will actually hurt them in the long run--burnout, injury, desire, etc.
Pro/rel is a great thing in professional soccer - and I think it should definitely be a part of MLS. But making it a part of a youth league, where the PRIMARY purpose should still be to develop our players as much as possible, would be completely contrary to that goal. If you want to add a couple of clubs each year to your league--ECNL or MLS/hybrid or ABCD--fine, no problem. That, you can do like the pro leagues do--geographically where does it fill a void, which clubs have shown stability and a mission that is consistent with the league, which clubs will add value, etc. Just don't do it at the expense of eliminating other existing customer clubs. Otherwise, you repeat the frustration and disruption that the USSF has currently created and continue the cycle for even more families and players.
Beautiful day out there--find some time to horseplay with your kids today in the street if you haven't already.
MakeAPlay
DA
Really? What did that add?
RedCard
GOLD
Beach players can split between Breakers or Slammers, depends which way on the 405 or PCH they want to go...