GunninGopher
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JH?
Referees - what can we all do to improve the situation?
- Thread starter Paul Spacey
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Overlap
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Okay, I have to post this from last weekend, I'm still laughing....my last email had mentioned the Ref's speaking to the other side in Spanish through out the game right? On to last weekend, same deal, the ref's were nice enough however, several calls you could see neither one knew what the call was as they weren't in view, kind of funny to watch but getting annoying by this point as our team is in control and up 1-0 first half. Their forward gets a break away to which our center defender makes a great block, ball rolls off the right side of the goal, kid is slow to get up, our GK sets the ball to kick it out only to have the ref say it was a goal!!! Everyone and I mean EVERYONE was shocked, players were walking back and the other sides cheers were short as they knew it wasn't a goal. The game goes to half 1-1, second half our team is still in control however, not getting good shots off, several offside calls and after the 3 or 4 of them, our player gets the pass in front of 3 defenders, passes all 3 on the outside and starts cutting toward the goal at about 20 yards out only to get called for offsides, WTH! 
by this time the parents have had enough and are screaming at the ref crew, I'm laughing as it was my kid heading to goal and she looks at me and all I can do is laugh and shrug my shoulders. The game continues, I'm looking at my watch and see about 22 seconds left, I'm thinking, well a tie is better than a loss...they get a shot, our GK blocks it, punts it right in front of our right mid, she takes it about 10 yards, makes the cross, their GK is heading at our forward and our FWD makes the best light touch over their GK's head into the net with only a few seconds left! Sometimes no matter how bad the ref's are, you get the breaks, even if they take the entire second half!......PLAY ON!!!
by this time the parents have had enough and are screaming at the ref crew, I'm laughing as it was my kid heading to goal and she looks at me and all I can do is laugh and shrug my shoulders. The game continues, I'm looking at my watch and see about 22 seconds left, I'm thinking, well a tie is better than a loss...they get a shot, our GK blocks it, punts it right in front of our right mid, she takes it about 10 yards, makes the cross, their GK is heading at our forward and our FWD makes the best light touch over their GK's head into the net with only a few seconds left! Sometimes no matter how bad the ref's are, you get the breaks, even if they take the entire second half!......PLAY ON!!!
Paul Spacey
SILVER ELITE
Nothing will change and nothing will improve (on the part of coaches, parents and referees) until a robust rating system is introduced and there are clear/firm consequences for individuals and teams who conduct themselves poorly.
Surfref
PREMIER
Okay, I have to post this from last weekend, I'm still laughing....my last email had mentioned the Ref's speaking to the other side in Spanish through out the game right? On to last weekend, same deal, the ref's were nice enough however, several calls you could see neither one knew what the call was as they weren't in view, kind of funny to watch but getting annoying by this point as our team is in control and up 1-0 first half. Their forward gets a break away to which our center defender makes a great block, ball rolls off the right side of the goal, kid is slow to get up, our GK sets the ball to kick it out only to have the ref say it was a goal!!! Everyone and I mean EVERYONE was shocked, players were walking back and the other sides cheers were short as they knew it wasn't a goal. The game goes to half 1-1, second half our team is still in control however, not getting good shots off, several offside calls and after the 3 or 4 of them, our player gets the pass in front of 3 defenders, passes all 3 on the outside and starts cutting toward the goal at about 20 yards out only to get called for offsides, WTH!
I have said this before, video tape every game and make sure the refs see the camera. If you do get a bias ref, hopefully the camera will keep them honest. If not, then you have video evidence.
baldref
GOLD
and more than likely when someone sees the video, they will explain to you that your bias makes you see things less true.
TangoCity
GOLD
We video tape every game. We have captured some awful game deciding calls and some incredibly dirty/dangerous play by "a certain team" (two separate things). From my experience, NOBODY cares about your video unless it is elevated to an extremely high level on both sides. Even with all this concussion training that they make parents/kids take before you can play in the gaming circuit, when it comes down to kids actually getting concussions and going to emergency rooms -> THEY STILL DON'T CARE (They = Cal South, CSL). With the concussion training THEY are only just checking a box for liability purposes. Keep video taping but keep in mind that nobody (I mean nobody) will give a sh-- about the bad call(s) that you taped.
Surfref
PREMIER
Maybe with CSL, but I know that video has changed things. When my daughter was playing youth soccer her coach submitted video to SCDSL twice which resulted in the other team forfeiting the game and a red card over turned. In the forfeited game the CR was one of the other team’s players fathers. The match report listed him as the AR. The video that showed the dad as the CR was submitted and the score changed. The other one happened when one of my daughter’s teammates was on the receiving end of a fight and the referee red carded both players. The video was submitted that showed my DD teammate just covering her face with her arms and not punching or pushing like the CR reported. Red card was removed. The coach also submitted video to referee associations several times to show poor referee performance and I know of one referee that got some extra education, because the ref was complaining to me about my DD coach submitting video.
baldref
GOLD
i'm sure it is considered in situations where it is warranted. as for any league not caring about concussion protocol..... i can only speak to the leagues that i work in, and they are all very serious about it. i would assume that is the case with all of them.
GunninGopher
SILVER ELITE
I'm a team manager that has had to process several concussions. I can assure you that Cal-South and Presidio care about concussions, certainly ensuring that the rules are followed. I realize that it took a lawsuit and state law to do it, but I believe that the education required has changed a lot of opinions. It certainly has for me!!
I'm not so jaded to believe that it is just about covering their arses.
Multi Sport
DA
Last weekend I was watching my DDs college game. One of girls from the opposing team took a ball to her face. The trainer stepped onto the field but the girl had already recovered and was standing. The ref told the coach that the player had to leave the field for evaluation... the coach lost it. She started screaming at the ref that her player dod not have to leave the field. The game was in the second half and 0-0 at the time so I get the coach not wanting to play down a player for a few minutes but why not just sub her out so the player can be properly evaluated? Saftey of the players should come first.
On an unrelated call later in the half the coach was given a yellow card.
Definitelynotanotherref
SILVER ELITE
"Unrelated"
There is a battle between common sense and "rather be safe than sorry" for every head contact incident that isn't obvious.
Isn't one of the concussion lingering effects: emotional outburst?
baldref
GOLD
common sense IS rather be safe than sorry."Unrelated"
There is a battle between common sense and "rather be safe than sorry" for every head contact incident that isn't obvious.
Isn't one of the concussion lingering effects: emotional outburst?
TangoCity
GOLD
When we sent video in, the head of CSL literally told us on the phone that they DIDN'T want to see the video. They said they have thousands of games every season and that they didn't have the personnel to look at video sent in from every single game and even if they did watch the video there was nothing they could do. The video had to do with (safety) dirty play and concussions more so than how the ref managed the game. The only thing they cared about was that the proper paperwork was filled out to report the concussion (covering their butts). I am glad other people have had better experiences in other gaming circuits.
GunninGopher
SILVER ELITE
Who sent the video in?
I have to think that they want complaints to come from a club director or someone in a similar role. This would allow a 'first line of defense' against frivolous and ignorant complaints from the general parent population. I shudder to think of what it would take to thoughtfully respond to all parent's concerns themselves. I imagine they would have to take on a lot more staff and it would necessitate clubs doing more work as well.
Sitting here before my next game watching an all Latino team play in the classic Mexican style (push it up, very physical, lots of elbows) v a united team playing modern English with very pretty techniques (they can head with accuracy, great passing, very fast). Ref is fit, knows the laws, hispanic, but has an expansive definition of trifling and has let them game get away from him. Both teams ready to murder the ref and each other after Latino team conks kid in the head with a jab from the elbow. Kid taken out for concussion protocol. No card. It’s these differing expectations coupled with poor ref management that leads to these situations. Fortunately the whistle before things exploded.
Surfref
PREMIER
Last Saturday I had absolutely horrible and lazy parters both when they were in the center and especially as AR’s. Yesterday I was the center on 4 games and had two youth referees, 12 and 13 years old, that were in their first 6 months of refereeing. These two youth AR’s did an outstanding job, ran hard and followed my pregame instruction. All of the coaches were respectful to the youth refs except one and he adjusted his attitude after I had a talk with him. No spectator problems.
Today I watched my daughter coach her girls team. The CR and one AR did a good job, but the other adult male AR did not run and was always 10 to 25 yards behind the last defender and made several offside calls despite being 20 yards from the last defender.
What really upsets me is that these adult referees are getting paid to do a job, so they should be running and engaged with the game.
Today I watched my daughter coach her girls team. The CR and one AR did a good job, but the other adult male AR did not run and was always 10 to 25 yards behind the last defender and made several offside calls despite being 20 yards from the last defender.
What really upsets me is that these adult referees are getting paid to do a job, so they should be running and engaged with the game.
Surfref
PREMIER
Yep, hopefully your games go smoothly