President Joe Biden

I don’t care why the Warsaw ghetto uprising happened, it was wrong of the jews to riot against the Nazis. The reason for the violence doesn’t matter. Same with Nat Turner. These minorities just need to pipe down. It’s not so bad, even if law enforcement keeps depriving them of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness because of their skin color and national origin.
Yeah, but of course the Jewish ghettos existed in Europe long before the Nazis. Europe has a long history of pogroms against the Jews, instigated to distract or just simply by local lords (& such) to eliminate their debts.

What was it the Nazis at Charlottesville were chanting, "Jews will not replace us". This is now, in the USA.
 
In case anyone wants to go down memory lane.

By the way these boards are interesting.

During the summer months there was a certain group of people making excuses for the summer riots. Another group here condemned the riots.

Today the group that made excuses over the summer now are mad about the riots. The people who were mad about the riots in the summer are also mad about the riot a couple of days ago.


Yes, we get it. The magat crowd had already made quite clear that that they/you believe staging a coup yo overthrow the government of the U.S. at the direction of your quickly deflating orange baboon balloon(man) isn’t really so bad because just look at those uppity black people who got tired of being persecuted and being told by your kind to get over it.
 
Reagan, like Trump, is just a symptom. An even bigger symptom was Bill Clinton. Their policies hurried this along but they are just riding certain trends in American society that unfolded since Vietnam/Great Society:

1. Foreign Wars. The Cold War and Reagan managed to unite the right and the centrist left in favor of what the left calls the "military-industrial" complex. When it ended, these jobs began to collapse (see the eroding of the aircraft industry in California). But Republicans and Democrats continued to push nation building abroad which tired the American people of foreign wars.
2. Elitism. In the 50s society was a lot more mobile (at least for whites) and it was common to see a person build an industry by their bootstraps or a man to marry a secretary from another class. It's fiction, but in "Mad Men", Peggy Olsen graduates from secretarial school....now her job requires a top 20 college degree. Women began to enter the work force, and women (not wanting to throw away their effort at work) typically want to marry either someone of the same or similar status. Elites began to marry other elites, the college rat race began as colleges became gatekeepers, a society which valued technocratic experts arose. It's more likely a white woman graduating from an Ivy League school will marry an African American male graduating from such school than a white man rural farmer in Kansas. The elites have a vested interest in protecting this meritocrisy for themselves (which is why so many of us are in the youth soccer pay to play/college rat race).
3. Globalism. The elites have more in common with other elites in Hong Kong, Paris, or Moscow than a farmer in Iowa. Their concerns (on immigration, trade, monetary policy, war) are globalist. The D alliance on immigration, for example, is the rich which wants the cheap labor, and D politicians which want the vote, and the newcomers that want to bring over more friends and family or secure those who are already here. Those concerns often cut against the concerts of people lower on the economic totem pole. As society becomes more automated as well, there will be less well paying jobs at the bottom end and the pie has begun to shrink everywhere in the new globalist economy.
4. The Great Society. On the lower end of the government spectrum, the social safety net (separate and apart from arguments as to its necessity and proper structure) caused the weakening of family structures and the work ethic. It makes more rational sense for a woman with kids on welfare to go it alone than to share that pie with a husband who might be a drag on the family and throw away the money.
5. Racism. I'm a 3x minority....I don't believe America is "systemically racist"....I ascribed to the belief that everyone, regardless of skin color, is a little bit racist. But I also think there's racism out there, and it's often times the easiest reason for people to see why their lives may be in the crapper (rather than all the more complicated economic and societal stuff). And the history of America from it's founding through the civil rights movement was overwhelmingly concerned with racism and race.
6. The Collapse of Institutions. Back in Reagan's time, religion was the corner stone of the Reagan coalition. Trump just gives religion lip service, and the Mormons are uncomfortable with this new aggressive stance taken by the Republican Party. The churches, particularly the main line institutions, have collapsed. On the left, it's been replaced with wokeism/post-modernism. Other institutions as well have collapsed and been discredited. The pandemic for example has trashed the reputation of our health experts and teachers among a large segment of the population. The police are in disrepute among certain elements of the left. The press has trashed itself, and the tech industry is going down the way with it. The things which held us together are no longer there.
7. The Internet. Smashed gatekeepers to information (something which causes rage among the elites), and anonymity has led to inflammatory ways of dealing with each other.

All this to say, Trump's the dam, not the river....he's a symptom....things are going to get worse short of inspired leadership. The D reactions haven't exactly filled me with confidence, and frankly I'm not sure Biden is up to it...it would require a Lincolnesque figure. Hope I'm wrong.

I should not have inquired about Karen’s HS term paper earlier. My bad everyone.

Just when you thought it was BLM’s fault that white supremacists tried to overthrow democracy, Karen busts out with a theory that it’s mostly Bill Clinton’s fault. Let’s place blame anywhere other than whete it squarely belongs, Trumpy McFrumpy and his sad little band of red-hatted has beens.
 
Yeah, but of course the Jewish ghettos existed in Europe long before the Nazis. Europe has a long history of pogroms against the Jews, instigated to distract or just simply by local lords (& such) to eliminate their debts.

What was it the Nazis at Charlottesville were chanting, "Jews will not replace us". This is now, in the USA.

Several of the Capitol trespassers were wearing t-shirts with the logo 6MWE. Look it up.
 
I don’t expect bigots to accept that they are, my only goal is to mock them for sport and the enjoyment of non-racists.

BTW, can you go through one more time how BLM protesters are partly at fault a bunch of white supremacists invading the US Capitol as part of an attempted coup? I’m not following this “non-bigoted” theory. Did they get too uppity a while back after democratic government didn’t do enough to put them back in their place, so it was obviously time to overthrow the government?
Not my theory at all. Again you have to mischaracterize others arguments to make your arguments sound even remotely plausible.

I think your problem is that all your heavy breathing has fogged up your mirror which makes you incapable of seeing yourself in it.
 
5. Racism. I'm a 3x minority....I don't believe America is "systemically racist"....I ascribed to the belief that everyone, regardless of skin color, is a little bit racist. But I also think there's racism out there, and it's often times the easiest reason for people to see why their lives may be in the crapper (rather than all the more complicated economic and societal stuff). And the history of America from it's founding through the civil rights movement was overwhelmingly concerned with racism and race.

Thanks for posting this. I won't try to convince you otherwise, but I think this explains why our viewpoints are different here. I think systemic racism is alive and well in our country.
 
l suppose admitting it was trumpanzees who looted our Capitol, and not undercover Antifa sleeper cell agents wearing magat hats in a false flag operation, is progress. How’s that for conciliation?

Now get your s**t together and denounce what happened without trying to magat-splain that it wasn’t so bad and everyone does it anyway.
UR dence. Quit spitting out ideological nonsense. Your pol pot approach to debate is hilarious. You've read what I've stated. Tear yourself away from your leaflets and think for yourself.
 
Several of the Capitol trespassers were wearing t-shirts with the logo 6MWE. Look it up.
Completely true. Open season for the FBI. Plenty of video and still shots available for those that are charged with criminal trespass. A creative prosecutor may be able to spice things up with a hate crime charge.
 
Thanks for posting this. I won't try to convince you otherwise, but I think this explains why our viewpoints are different here. I think systemic racism is alive and well in our country.

Thanks for that and I appreciate your point of view. If you are a fellow PoC I totally get why it can sometimes feel that way. I've had the feeling myself at various times in my life. Those feelings are very real, and I appreciate them.

If you are not, part of your feeling is explained by 6.
 
Completely true. Open season for the FBI. Plenty of video and still shots available for those that are charged with criminal trespass. A creative prosecutor may be able to spice things up with a hate crime charge.


Felony murder charges also seem in the offering for quite a few people given an officer has died.
 
Thanks for that and I appreciate your point of view. If you are a fellow PoC I totally get why it can sometimes feel that way. I've had the feeling myself at various times in my life. Those feelings are very real, and I appreciate them.

If you are not, part of your feeling is explained by 6.

I'm not a PoC.

To be clear, the systemic racism I'm talking about can be reflected in data. For example:


I totally get wanting to label non-PoC folks as part of the "wokeness" movement, but this is something I've been aware of since my childhood. For example, I remember vividly growing up in Huntington Beach in the 80s. A neighbor was selling their house. They went door to door asking everyone if we'd be ok with a black family moving into the neighborhood. While you might write that off as just one individual being racist, it clearly has roots in systemic racism. Why did they feel the need to ask? Is this something that happens regularly? If so, what is the impact on school district zoning? Can black families get into good school districts as a result? etc...

We're diverging a bit. My point is this is why I see the "protests" differently.
 
I'm not a PoC.

To be clear, the systemic racism I'm talking about can be reflected in data. For example:


I totally get wanting to label non-PoC folks as part of the "wokeness" movement, but this is something I've been aware of since my childhood. For example, I remember vividly growing up in Huntington Beach in the 80s. A neighbor was selling their house. They went door to door asking everyone if we'd be ok with a black family moving into the neighborhood. While you might write that off as just one individual being racist, it clearly has roots in systemic racism. Why did they feel the need to ask? Is this something that happens regularly? If so, what is the impact on school district zoning? Can black families get into good school districts as a result? etc...

We're diverging a bit. My point is this is why I see the "protests" differently.

When my family moved into a white suburb of Los Angeles in the early 80s, our house was TPd and certain body parts spray painted all over our house. My elder brother (in first grade) had the crap beat out of him by 5th graders and ended up in the hospital. My best friend, a Jewish boy across the street, had a cross burned on his front lawn. And when a black family moved in, they were so ostracized they left the neighborhood within 6 months. I get that (BTW, the police arrested some of the cross burners....the instigator was a Persian teen recently fled from Iran).

But America has made enormous strides as well. I'm not saying folks still aren't racist. Everyone is a little bit racist. But 1) saying the problems in these communities is about racism is an easy out....it's an easy target to point out rather than addressing the more complex sociological forces at work (which do include race....it's just not the overriding end all explanation for everything), and 2) neglects the fact that the Trump supporters have many grievances themselves. Now, you can argue that the racism concerns are > or more meritorious than the concerns of the Trump voters but: a) there's no objective way to definitively prove that (unless you believe in a divine being that so orders it), b) so what...they are still all concerns just as real to those people and c) those concerns aren't going to go away or be dropped by anyone so what's the point about arguing which one is more valid?
 
Completely true. Open season for the FBI. Plenty of video and still shots available for those that are charged with criminal trespass. A creative prosecutor may be able to spice things up with a hate crime charge.

Felony murder baby!
 
Felony murder charges also seem in the offering for quite a few people given an officer has died.

If I, an average citizen, were to encourage someone to break into my neighbor's house, and when the neighbor resisted, he was killed, I would be at least an accessory before the fact to murder, if not a murderer as well.
 
When my family moved into a white suburb of Los Angeles in the early 80s, our house was TPd and certain body parts spray painted all over our house. My elder brother (in first grade) had the crap beat out of him by 5th graders and ended up in the hospital. My best friend, a Jewish boy across the street, had a cross burned on his front lawn. And when a black family moved in, they were so ostracized they left the neighborhood within 6 months. I get that (BTW, the police arrested some of the cross burners....the instigator was a Persian teen recently fled from Iran).

But America has made enormous strides as well. I'm not saying folks still aren't racist. Everyone is a little bit racist. But 1) saying the problems in these communities is about racism is an easy out....it's an easy target to point out rather than addressing the more complex sociological forces at work (which do include race....it's just not the overriding end all explanation for everything), and 2) neglects the fact that the Trump supporters have many grievances themselves. Now, you can argue that the racism concerns are > or more meritorious than the concerns of the Trump voters but: a) there's no objective way to definitively prove that (unless you believe in a divine being that so orders it), b) so what...they are still all concerns just as real to those people and c) those concerns aren't going to go away or be dropped by anyone so what's the point about arguing which one is more valid?

Grace-Karen claims: (1) racism isn’t that bad these days, so they should just get over it; (2) no one should hold magats accountable for their racism because how do you really know what’s in their hearts anyway, even if they’re parading around the Capitol with a confederate flag, cops murdering a black woman sleeping in her bed or a kid holding a bag of chips, or whining about how their favorite Bull Conner and Jefferson Davis statutes should be protected as “a part of history”; (3) magats have a lot of legitimate grievances to explain why they tried to overthrow the government of the U.S. I mean, life is certainly hard when you can’t stop someone else from having an abortion or gay people from marrying each other. And how dare someone get in the way of their right to a high capacity magazine for their assault rifle and therefore impede their right to give the MI governor and AG what’s coming to them. The bodies of 30 dead 1st graders in Sandy Hook smells like, well, freedom doesn’t it? I feel so bad for the magats. How dare people encroach on their religion by practicing a different one, am I right?

I don’t know who’s worse, the magats or their apologists.
 
When my family moved into a white suburb of Los Angeles in the early 80s, our house was TPd and certain body parts spray painted all over our house. My elder brother (in first grade) had the crap beat out of him by 5th graders and ended up in the hospital. My best friend, a Jewish boy across the street, had a cross burned on his front lawn. And when a black family moved in, they were so ostracized they left the neighborhood within 6 months. I get that (BTW, the police arrested some of the cross burners....the instigator was a Persian teen recently fled from Iran).

But America has made enormous strides as well. I'm not saying folks still aren't racist. Everyone is a little bit racist. But 1) saying the problems in these communities is about racism is an easy out....it's an easy target to point out rather than addressing the more complex sociological forces at work (which do include race....it's just not the overriding end all explanation for everything), and 2) neglects the fact that the Trump supporters have many grievances themselves. Now, you can argue that the racism concerns are > or more meritorious than the concerns of the Trump voters but: a) there's no objective way to definitively prove that (unless you believe in a divine being that so orders it), b) so what...they are still all concerns just as real to those people and c) those concerns aren't going to go away or be dropped by anyone so what's the point about arguing which one is more valid?

Sorry you had you deal with that growing up. Southern California, specifically Orange County, in the 80s was hardly the panacea for racial tolerance. Haven't lived there since the early 90s, so I have no idea what it's like now. But this article touches on some of the things I remember:


I think we can agree to disagree on how much progress we've made as a country. I don't think the data supports your assertion. I would love to be proven wrong here.

Like I said, I have empathy for the MAGA/Qanon folks, but probably not for the reasons one might expect. I have zero empathy for them protesting based on the false narrative around fraudulent election results. That's something Trump leveraged to get them riled up; something he had been angling for many months prior to the election. I do have empathy for them because their needs have not been met over the years. Neither democrat or republican has helped them. Trump leveraged that anger. Just as much as he and Reagan leveraged the religious right. Again, this goes back to why I think people need to look at politicians and discern if the grift is on or not.
 
Reagan, like Trump, is just a symptom. An even bigger symptom was Bill Clinton. Their policies hurried this along but they are just riding certain trends in American society that unfolded since Vietnam/Great Society:

1. Foreign Wars. The Cold War and Reagan managed to unite the right and the centrist left in favor of what the left calls the "military-industrial" complex. When it ended, these jobs began to collapse (see the eroding of the aircraft industry in California). But Republicans and Democrats continued to push nation building abroad which tired the American people of foreign wars.
2. Elitism. In the 50s society was a lot more mobile (at least for whites) and it was common to see a person build an industry by their bootstraps or a man to marry a secretary from another class. It's fiction, but in "Mad Men", Peggy Olsen graduates from secretarial school....now her job requires a top 20 college degree. Women began to enter the work force, and women (not wanting to throw away their effort at work) typically want to marry either someone of the same or similar status. Elites began to marry other elites, the college rat race began as colleges became gatekeepers, a society which valued technocratic experts arose. It's more likely a white woman graduating from an Ivy League school will marry an African American male graduating from such school than a white man rural farmer in Kansas. The elites have a vested interest in protecting this meritocrisy for themselves (which is why so many of us are in the youth soccer pay to play/college rat race).
3. Globalism. The elites have more in common with other elites in Hong Kong, Paris, or Moscow than a farmer in Iowa. Their concerns (on immigration, trade, monetary policy, war) are globalist. The D alliance on immigration, for example, is the rich which wants the cheap labor, and D politicians which want the vote, and the newcomers that want to bring over more friends and family or secure those who are already here. Those concerns often cut against the concerts of people lower on the economic totem pole. As society becomes more automated as well, there will be less well paying jobs at the bottom end and the pie has begun to shrink everywhere in the new globalist economy.
4. The Great Society. On the lower end of the government spectrum, the social safety net (separate and apart from arguments as to its necessity and proper structure) caused the weakening of family structures and the work ethic. It makes more rational sense for a woman with kids on welfare to go it alone than to share that pie with a husband who might be a drag on the family and throw away the money.
5. Racism. I'm a 3x minority....I don't believe America is "systemically racist"....I ascribed to the belief that everyone, regardless of skin color, is a little bit racist. But I also think there's racism out there, and it's often times the easiest reason for people to see why their lives may be in the crapper (rather than all the more complicated economic and societal stuff). And the history of America from it's founding through the civil rights movement was overwhelmingly concerned with racism and race.
6. The Collapse of Institutions. Back in Reagan's time, religion was the corner stone of the Reagan coalition. Trump just gives religion lip service, and the Mormons are uncomfortable with this new aggressive stance taken by the Republican Party. The churches, particularly the main line institutions, have collapsed. On the left, it's been replaced with wokeism/post-modernism. Other institutions as well have collapsed and been discredited. The pandemic for example has trashed the reputation of our health experts and teachers among a large segment of the population. The police are in disrepute among certain elements of the left. The press has trashed itself, and the tech industry is going down the way with it. The things which held us together are no longer there.
7. The Internet. Smashed gatekeepers to information (something which causes rage among the elites), and anonymity has led to inflammatory ways of dealing with each other.

All this to say, Trump's the dam, not the river....he's a symptom....things are going to get worse short of inspired leadership. The D reactions haven't exactly filled me with confidence, and frankly I'm not sure Biden is up to it...it would require a Lincolnesque figure. Hope I'm wrong.
Its Clinton's fault, LMFAO.

It is certainly funny how times have changed though. In Clinton's time an impeachable offense apparently was getting a BJ in the WH ... vs now ...
 
Its Clinton's fault, LMFAO.

It is certainly funny how times have changed though. In Clinton's time an impeachable offense apparently was getting a BJ in the WH ... vs now ...
Welfare reform. Specifically while it cut down on fraud it made it harder for people to get off by raising the opportunity cost of doing work.
 
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