President Joe Biden

[Desert Hound]

We really need to stop working so much with China. Trump was right on this one.

Right now major companies are fighting against legislation related to labor conditions in China. They don't want the legislation to pass. They like their factories in China.

Lets stop transferring tech to them. Let us stop having them as a major component of our supply chain for many rather important things.

They are close to finishing up work on their 3rd carrier with a 4th carrier already under construction.

They are a communist dictatorship. Lots of people seem to forget that.

Meanwhile in a corner of China....it is not just internment camps.

"China is forcing women to be sterilised or fitted with contraceptive devices in Xinjiang in an apparent attempt to limit the population of Muslim Uighurs, according to new research."

China forcing birth control on Uighurs to suppress population, report says

A report says China is carrying out a campaign of forced birth control to limit the minority group.

www.bbc.com

And just the other day...the Chinese Embassy in the US tweeted this little lovely thing related to what the above talks about. How charming that these women are now free....

 

[happy9]

I'm not sure if impeachment/25th amendment is a good strategy or not, but I don't think you can compare what happened at the capital to BLM protests. I know it's easy to fall into that, especially for right leaning MAGA types, but it's apples and oranges. You have one group that was protesting/rioting due to 100s of years of systemic racism and police brutality versus a group of people brainwashed MAGA/Qanon types instigated by a standing president of the US. It's just not the same no matter how you try and paint it. This isn't justifying violence or looting, @EOTL is correct in saying the "Why" is very important here.

You are falling into the same trap many are. Just like BLM had the constitutional right to protest racism and police brutality, people who believe there was unfair election had the right to gather and protest. I personally think it' dumb and yes Trump perpetuated the idea that a fraudulent election had occurred,. It's convenient for Trump's political opponents to casually say that he directed the sacking of the capitol building. It sounds ominous, and scary, and paints the correct political picture for many. But it's factually incorrect but a powerful aphrodisiac for people who want to believe it. There were 40,000 people who attended the rally/protest. The rally had a permit. 40,000 people did not enter the capitol building.

It's actually dumb to romanticize the idea that the capitol was sacked/stormed by a group of fervent followers of an ideological leader. Paint them for what they are - dumbass criminals taking advantage of a situation. Very much like the violent few who took advantage of BLM protests to advance their economic standing. Prosecute them to the extent of the law.

There were elected officials during the summer that publicly condoned violence and destruction - go look it up. Their justification for wanton destruction of private and government property was ideologically driven. That's a fine way to get people to come over to your cause.

Both sides are culpable. Find middle ground, marginalize fringe elements. Unfortunately, most elected officials are not in the interest of looking out for you.

 

[tenacious]

To @Grace T.'s point, it's not just Trump though. I blame Reagan and his dismantling of sound social programs such as public education, failed trickle down economics, or his tax overhaul. Reagan did do some good things, but a lot of his policies had a significant negative impact on where we are today. Obviously Dems could've fixed these problems and didn't. They're to blame as well.

I just wish folks would look at politicians and ask "What's in it for them?". Sadly people don't do enough of this and if they truly looked at this, they'd see that folks like Sanders and AOC, are the minority who seem to truly care about their constituents. Most politicians are grifters and have some angle that benefits themselves, both dems and repubs.

Yes but... I don't think enough consideration is given to the downside of the New Deal 'social programs'. People didn't just one day wake up and say let's try trickle down economics.

 

[NorCalDad]

Yes but... I don't think enough consideration is given to the downside of the New Deal 'social programs'. People didn't just one day wake up and say let's try trickle down economics.

I mean that's precisely what Reaganomics was.

Reaganomics - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

.

 

[EOTL]

I agree about not correlating the two. However I do think it is worth taking a moment to reaffirm that no one's life here in America is bad enough they need to be looting and rioting.

If Trump hadn't seen how eager leaders in Seattle, Portland, etc were to bow in the face of looters and rioting he never would have dared to try this.

Bothsides-ism. If you aren’t going to correlate the two, then don’t spend the next two paragraphs doing exactly that. Why is it that people are so compelled to criticize BLM when magats overran and looted the U.S. Capitol? It’s pathetic to argue that it was bad the magats did it, but hey look others do it it so....

You are also wrong that no one’s life is so bad that rioting is the answer, although that is beside the point. You never had to live a life that started in poverty because of your skin color, grew up denied the same educational and then employment opportunities due to your skin color, have been tepeatedly mistreated by law enforcement because of your skin color, and then keep hearing from people like you after you put down your cocktail and step away from your backyard grill in the OC long enough to tell them that it can’t possibly have been that bad, you need to get over it.

 

[LASTMAN14]

I mean that's precisely what Reaganomics was.

Reaganomics - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

.

 

[EOTL]

You are falling into the same trap many are. Just like BLM had the constitutional right to protest racism and police brutality, people who believe there was unfair election had the right to gather and protest. I personally think it' dumb and yes Trump perpetuated the idea that a fraudulent election had occurred,. It's convenient for Trump's political opponents to casually say that he directed the sacking of the capitol building. It sounds ominous, and scary, and paints the correct political picture for many. But it's factually incorrect but a powerful aphrodisiac for people who want to believe it. There were 40,000 people who attended the rally/protest. The rally had a permit. 40,000 people did not enter the capitol building.

It's actually dumb to romanticize the idea that the capitol was sacked/stormed by a group of fervent followers of an ideological leader. Paint them for what they are - dumbass criminals taking advantage of a situation. Very much like the violent few who took advantage of BLM protests to advance their economic standing. Prosecute them to the extent of the law.

There were elected officials during the summer that publicly condoned violence and destruction - go look it up. Their justification for wanton destruction of private and government property was ideologically driven. That's a fine way to get people to come over to your cause.

Both sides are culpable. Find middle ground, marginalize fringe elements. Unfortunately, most elected officials are not in the interest of looking out for you.

l suppose admitting it was trumpanzees who looted our Capitol, and not undercover Antifa sleeper cell agents wearing magat hats in a false flag operation, is progress. How’s that for conciliation?

Now get your s**t together and denounce what happened without trying to magat-splain that it wasn’t so bad and everyone does it anyway.

 

[EOTL]

We really need to stop working so much with China. Trump was right on this one.

Right now major companies are fighting against legislation related to labor conditions in China. They don't want the legislation to pass. They like their factories in China.

Lets stop transferring tech to them. Let us stop having them as a major component of our supply chain for many rather important things.

They are close to finishing up work on their 3rd carrier with a 4th carrier already under construction.

They are a communist dictatorship. Lots of people seem to forget that.

Meanwhile in a corner of China....it is not just internment camps.

"China is forcing women to be sterilised or fitted with contraceptive devices in Xinjiang in an apparent attempt to limit the population of Muslim Uighurs, according to new research."

China forcing birth control on Uighurs to suppress population, report says

A report says China is carrying out a campaign of forced birth control to limit the minority group.

www.bbc.com

And just the other day...the Chinese Embassy in the US tweeted this little lovely thing related to what the above talks about. How charming that these women are now free....

View attachment 9889

Well this is a desperate and sad attempt to change the subject coming from a magat who really, really doesn’t want to talk about the subject at hand. His buddies just looted the Capitol but, hey look, China!

 

[tenacious]

I mean that's precisely what Reaganomics was.

Reaganomics - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

.

Right. And if we've hit the point where the pendulum starts swinging back it becomes a question of how far? Personally I would say going back to a model that was already rejected... is maybe not the solution we are looking for.

So while I'm not saying it's not time for a correction in course. I just would like to see some new 'better' answers.

 

[tenacious]

Bothsides-ism. If you aren’t going to correlate the two, then don’t spend the next two paragraphs doing exactly that. Why is it that people are so compelled to criticize BLM when magats overran and looted the U.S. Capitol? It’s pathetic to argue that it was bad the magats did it, but hey look others do it it so....

You are also wrong that no one’s life is so bad that rioting is the answer, although that is beside the point. You never had to live a life that started in poverty because of your skin color, grew up denied the same educational and then employment opportunities due to your skin color, have been tepeatedly mistreated by law enforcement because of your skin color, and then keep hearing from people like you after you put down your cocktail and step away from your backyard grill in the OC long enough to tell them that it can’t possibly have been that bad, you need to get over it.

Actually I was born in the IE, dirt poor. So the feel guilty stuff doesn't work on me.

Life is hard. Your owed nothing. However you were lucky enough to have been born in a country where hard work and a little risk taking will allow you to rise as far as you want to go. That's the world I want to get back to.

 

[Desert Hound]

Sadly people don't do enough of this and if they truly looked at this, they'd see that folks like Sanders and AOC, are the minority who seem to truly care about their constituents.

You don't want them in charge. Sanders has always been a fan of the Soviet Union, Cuba, Nicaragua, etc. The policies those countries had/have terrible results for the people. AOC is as economically illiterate as Sanders. Her proposals will not help people in the least.

 

[Desert Hound]

Well this is a desperate and sad attempt to change the subject coming from a magat who really, really doesn’t want to talk about the subject at hand. His buddies just looted the Capitol but, hey look, China!

Subject at hand?

Ok try this.

During the summer riots Dem politicians either encouraged or remained silent. It suited their interests.

At the same time Repubs said enough of this. Protest is fine, riots are not. Silence from the left. As a matter of fact the House dems in unity all refused to vote on a resolution condemning the violence.

The other day violence/riot at the capital. Dems now are outraged. Repubs immediately condemned the actions.

One party you might say is consistent on its condemnation of violence. The other only does so when the violence is not committed by their constituents.

Violence/riots have no place. It doesn't matter what the politics are. The standard should be we as a nation should not accept violence or make excuses of it. Unfortunately over the summer months I saw lots of politicians and news organizations excuse violence. When those groups now try to take the high ground...screw them. They have no credibility on the issue.

That said...violence/riots are not acceptable. Prosecute those who broke into the capital grounds. I would like to see the summer rioters prosecuted as well. Almost none were. Matter of fact many Dem groups spent money bailing out people arrested.

You seem to like to ignore your own double standard amigo.

 

[EOTL]

You don't want them in charge. Sanders has always been a fan of the Soviet Union, Cuba, Nicaragua, etc. The policies those countries had/have terrible results for the people. AOC is as economically illiterate as Sanders. Her proposals will not help people in the least.

It’s almost like you’ve got a Russian handler who started freaking out that the reliably pro-magat youth soccer forum has suddenly gone sideways.

 

[Desert Hound]

Well this is a desperate and sad attempt to change the subject coming from a magat who really, really doesn’t want to talk about the subject at hand. His buddies just looted the Capitol but, hey look, China!

Might I also remind you of this?

I didn't see Dem politicians condemning this as well.

The left has been doing this for a long time. And all we get is excuses from the mainstream press and the Dem politicians.

Limo blazes amid anti-Trump protests

Violent protests broke out in Washington DC as President Donald Trump was sworn in as president.

www.bbc.com

 

[EOTL]

Subject at hand?

Ok try this.

During the summer riots Dem politicians either encouraged or remained silent. It suited their interests.

At the same time Repubs said enough of this. Protest is fine, riots are not. Silence from the left. As a matter of fact the House dems in unity all refused to vote on a resolution condemning the violence.

The other day violence/riot at the capital. Dems now are outraged. Repubs immediately condemned the actions.

One party you might say is consistent on its condemnation of violence. The other only does so when the violence is not committed by their constituents.

Violence/riots have no place. It doesn't matter what the politics are. The standard should be we as a nation should not accept violence or make excuses of it. Unfortunately over the summer months I saw lots of politicians and news organizations excuse violence. When those groups now try to take the high ground...screw them. They have no credibility on the issue.

That said...violence/riots are not acceptable. Prosecute those who broke into the capital grounds. I would like to see the summer rioters prosecuted as well. Almost none were. Matter of fact many Dem groups spent money bailing out people arrested.

You seem to like to ignore your own double standard amigo.

It’s democrats’ fault that magats stormed the Capitol! You heard it from @Desert Hound first!

Dude, even McConnell, Lady G and half the cabinet have jumped ship. Do you really want to be the last trumpanzee on the tangerine titanic?

 

[watfly]

Mob violence is mob violence, I couldn't give a shit about the underlying reasons. It's disturbing that some of you can attempt to rationalize it under the "why", unfortunately idiot politicians in Oregon and Washington (state and DC) did the same thing and gave up control of some of their cities to mob rule. To me that's the biggest crime along with Trump inciting violence whether it was directly or with a wink and a nod.

Yes, the protests were different and should be evaluated as such.

 

[EOTL]

Might I also remind you of this?

I didn't see Dem politicians condemning this as well.

The left has been doing this for a long time. And all we get is excuses from the mainstream press and the Dem politicians.

Limo blazes amid anti-Trump protests

Violent protests broke out in Washington DC as President Donald Trump was sworn in as president.

www.bbc.com

Someone lit up a limo four years ago, so of course it’s not so bad to stage a coup.

 

[EOTL]

Mob violence is mob violence, I couldn't give a shit about the underlying reasons. It's disturbing that some of you can attempt to rationalize it under the "why", unfortunately idiot politicians in Oregon and Washington (state and DC) did the same thing and gave up control of some of their cities to mob rule. To me that's the biggest crime along with Trump inciting violence whether it was directly or with a wink and a nod.

Yes, the protests were different and should be evaluated as such.

Yes, you have already established quite clearly that you’re fine with bigotry.

 

[whatithink]

We really need to stop working so much with China. Trump was right on this one.

Right now major companies are fighting against legislation related to labor conditions in China. They don't want the legislation to pass. They like their factories in China.

Lets stop transferring tech to them. Let us stop having them as a major component of our supply chain for many rather important things.

They are close to finishing up work on their 3rd carrier with a 4th carrier already under construction.

They are a communist dictatorship. Lots of people seem to forget that.

Meanwhile in a corner of China....it is not just internment camps.

"China is forcing women to be sterilised or fitted with contraceptive devices in Xinjiang in an apparent attempt to limit the population of Muslim Uighurs, according to new research."

China forcing birth control on Uighurs to suppress population, report says

A report says China is carrying out a campaign of forced birth control to limit the minority group.

www.bbc.com

And just the other day...the Chinese Embassy in the US tweeted this little lovely thing related to what the above talks about. How charming that these women are now free....

View attachment 9889

This is certainly abhorrent. People ask why the Nazis were "allowed" to create their concentration camps and why the world stood by. Ask no more. Its more important to people to be able to buy an iPhone or Samsung at its current price point than say no to those (and every other) product which supports this. Its more important to the likes of Apple to build their hardware there and maintain their 60% margin, than to just say no. Heaven forbid their stock price might take a hit or that they may have to delve into their $250B+ in cash reserves. Heaven forbid people's 401Ks will take a hit to do the right thing.

People want to have their cake & eat it. They want the right things done ... just as long as they don't have to put any skin in the game. Its risk free morals vs "not my problem".

So 100% on China and this despicable behavior, now I'll see your China and raise you with Climate Change.

 

[Grace T.]

Do you think Trump promised to take down that Tweet about how ugly Mrs. Cruz is- so long as he supports Trump during this dark period? But really though, what type of man fights for a president who still has tweets ripping on his wife publicly out there on his twitter page. What wouldn't this clown do to for power if he's okay with that.

Cruz is a seemingly smart, well spoken individual. But damn when it comes to political game theory... some of his maneuvering really leaves me scratching my head? Sort of like that time he cheered on a government shutdown, I just don't see the endgame here.

Ted Cruz says he’d object to Biden electors even knowing about riot, blasts Trump for ‘reckless’ rhetoric

WASHINGTON – Sen. Ted Cruz faced ongoing fallout Thursday for the riot at the U.S. Capitol, with never-Trumpers and some conservatives joining Democrats in...

www.dallasnews.com

In my youth I spent a lot of time debating with Ted. Reading the political winds wasn't exactly his strong suit.....