No Soccer - Bad / No School - Catastrophic!

I should also say that’s like me saying Democrats founded Slavery, KKK, and Jim Crow. Oh wait...
I know it seems obvious, but following the rules of the woke...why has there been no call for Democrats to change their name? or removal of everything Robert Byrd? Funny how that works.
 
Errr....my folks are from Peru and Mexico. We're proud of our culture and la raza, we still speak the lengua, my folks still go to all the local restaurants and hangout with their generation and reminsice about the old days, they still wave their flags during the world cup. They miss their homelands. But they were part of the educated elite over there and still fled their shitholes. Now granted, my father wouldn't describe his country as a shithole. He left that to my brothers and me when we visited the joint when I was 6 and we all came down with something serious we suspect was cholera. He reserves the term "shithole" for Chile.
Nolberto Solano former Newcastle United player best Peruvian player all time. Imo :p

Good Peruvian restaurant in Santa Ana 17th and Ross called El Cortijo. And a great soccer store a block away called Soccer Store :D
 
What about The Story with Martha?
All this politics is my new sport. This is what old men used to do in the old days before ESPN and youth sports. I used to listen to Rome when i sold yellow page advertising in the late 90s and early 2000s. Rome saved me. The rejection was brutal.
 
A real joking matter.

You really thought I was serious? Outlaw knows I was being facetious and he knows I got him, hence his “your speaking my language.”

The telling thing here is why you’re calling me out and don’t call Outlaw out for saying the EXACT same thing about Black shooting victims. They all had it coming for one reason or another.
 
I'll jump in, first let's establish intellectual honesty...can we agree that Biden shows clear signs of dementia?

Ha, you probably thought I would say no, but of course he‘s not ALL there. He looks and talks a little better now than the early days in his basement. That had me really worried. I’m less worried now

But as long as he’s standing and breathing, he’s got a real good shot.

And I know the follow up question, are you really going to vote for a president with early stages of dementia? Yes. You voted for Trump for similar reasons. Policy will be set by those around him.

As I mentioned before I can acknowledge Trumps positives, yet his negatives far outweigh the positives. The disaster we’re experiencing after COVID arrived is all on Trump. It’s called scoreboard.

In the war against the invisible enemy, there is only one commander in chief and in his most important role and responsibility he choked beyond belief and put the onus on his 50 kids.

Second reason, he’s deliberately pitting Americans against each other and ultimately we ALL lose when we’re at each other’s throats. He’s made America so ghetto It’s not funny.
 
First Black President. One of the best teleprompter readers of all time. Began the economic recovery. Sports Enthusiast. Master manipulator. That’s it. He is what turned me middle

I voted for him in 2008. I did not vote for him in 2012 but I did not vote for Romney either.

Bill Clinton was the Democrat Policy President of our Lifetime. I look at Trump as the Republican equal. Excellent policy, horrible person.

You don’t want to debate me with your cookie cutter Conservative opinion. That’s why the “silent majority” is so pissed off, calling every conservative a racist when it couldn’t be further from the truth like @EOTL does.

As much as I can’t stand Trump as a person, he has gotten more done all while being under non-stop attack by the media. It’s disgusting. I honestly believe he is not racist rather he says stupid stupid things that portrays him as a moron. I vote on policy and not personality hence I will be voting for Trump again in 2020.

Lastly, you can bring up any fact, statistic, or policy and I will happily research and agree or disagree. If a debate is needed, I will oblige. Just remember, facts/statistics over ride opinion.

I only asked for positives and you couldn’t help yourself by taking some shots at Obama, but that’s fine. At least you listed one positive, “began the economic recovery,” so I’ll give you credit. He handed Trump an unemployment rate of 4.7, and took the stock market from 5k in 2008 and handed it to Trump at 20k.

Most people would also add Osama Bin Laden.
 
Denver School District has now reversed course and after being pressured by the teacher's union is going remote only. The entire state of Colorado, despite reopening, has averaged less than 7 deaths per day since June 1. If that's the standards the unions are holding up, we aren't opening up the schools until a vaccine, whenever that is. Anyone else see a trend?
 
San Francisco just got added to the watch list this afternoon. I was wondering about them and why they weren't on the initial list but announced a shut down around the same time as La and San Diego. Marin now too. Most of the Bay area it seems except San Mateo.
 
Denver School District has now reversed course and after being pressured by the teacher's union is going remote only. The entire state of Colorado, despite reopening, has averaged less than 7 deaths per day since June 1. If that's the standards the unions are holding up, we aren't opening up the schools until a vaccine, whenever that is. Anyone else see a trend?
Either until a vaccine or November.
 
San Francisco just got added to the watch list this afternoon. I was wondering about them and why they weren't on the initial list but announced a shut down around the same time as La and San Diego. Marin now too. Most of the Bay area it seems except San Mateo.
San Mateo will be added Tuesday.
 
Hello, Mexico, Costa Rica, Nicaragua, Jamaica, Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico . . . The problem is not that they are 3rd world countries or "shitholes," it's that Trump, and apparently you, think that all the people coming from there are "shitholes." And just as an FYI, 3rd world status does not mean it's a "shithole" culture.
Actually all the places you mentioned are places people vacation.

Those are not the s hole countries.

I have been to each one you mentioned be it work or pleasure.

There are 3rd world countries that are not s hole. Granted the ones you mentioned have issues. But they are are a far cry vs Somalia, Syria, Afghanistan, Haiti, Sudan...etc. Truth be told there are 3rd world.. and then bottom of 3rd world.

So try again.
 
Errr....my folks are from Peru and Mexico. We're proud of our culture and la raza, we still speak the lengua, my folks still go to all the local restaurants and hangout with their generation and reminsice about the old days, they still wave their flags during the world cup. They miss their homelands. But they were part of the educated elite over there and still fled their shitholes. Now granted, my father wouldn't describe his country as a shithole. He left that to my brothers and me when we visited the joint when I was 6 and we all came down with something serious we suspect was cholera. He reserves the term "shithole" for Chile.
I love Peru and Mexico. My wife is from Mexico. And the first time (out of many) going to Peru was a dream come true. Especially going to Cusco and Macchu Picchu.

Both those countries have issues...but both don't fall into anywhere close to let's say the Somalia example.

I get the Chile reference.
 
p.s. you guys want to see a good soccer series how soccer really operates in most of the world, during quarantine watch "Club de Cuervos" on Netflix. You want to see how racist the Mexicans can be and how they really and truly regard Central America as a shithole, watch the spin off "La Balada de Jugo Chavez"...they use far worse terms than shithole.

p.p.s. let's not forget while we are all distracted with our statutes and school closures, the Chinese are shipping off the Uigars in trains to concentration camps a la 1945 redux.
In the theme of Mexican racists...when I lived in Costa Rica you should see how they treated the Nicas and the Hondurans.

The Ticos were not happy with their border situation.
 
In the theme of Mexican racists...when I lived in Costa Rica you should see how they treated the Nicas and the Hondurans.

The Ticos were not happy with their border situation.
That brings up a funny situation. Seems like in the middle of the pandemic mexico became much more tolerant of walls when our rates were higher than theirs.
 
Cases yes. Notice deaths are not following along with that. That is why the press now talks cases and not deaths.

Spain is now starting to shut down Barcelona and the surrounding areas again as of yesterday or today.

So does Sweden

Except NY/NJ/CT? You mean the states where about 40% off all deaths were? So if your argument is they locked down hard enough and the rest of the US didn't, why did they experience so many deaths? And the rest of the US really hasn't experienced that?

By the way they are not back to a normal life yet. They rely heavily on tourism. Much of their tourism infrastructure is not fully open. They are attempting to phase stuff back in over the month of August. Yes they have started to let people in the Schengen zone in. But they are not for much of the rest of the world. And they are staggering tourism openings. They have a long way to go.

And they will see covid cases rise again. As they move around more, more cases will rise again. As travelers start coming in, cases will rise again.

Back to Spain who you seem happy about. Barcelona just recorded over 1k cases again yesterday.

What is interesting about what is happening now is despite the rather large rise is positives in the West and South of the US, we are not seeing anything like the number of corresponding deaths that we saw up in the NE. NY has something like 420k cases and with that 32k deaths. Cal has 370K cases and only about 7k deaths.

NY/NJ/CT/MA/PA are close to half of all deaths in USA.

The press has been hyperventilating about AZ/TX/FL/GA for some time. Those states have about 10% of all deaths.

Now how many cases does NY/NJ/CT/MA/PA have? 880k confirmed cases.

AZ/TX/FL/GA have 921k cases.

Why is that despite more cases, those states have fewer deaths? And by a long shot. Did the lockdowns help the NE? It seems hard to argue that lockdowns in NY were the way to go, but somehow AZ has it wrong? Has the virus changed? What has changed? Is the virus less lethal? Have we already lost the most vulnerable?
Yes, I also found it odd that CNN has a story about NY, NJ, CN, MA "taming" COVID. Not once does it mention the likelihood that a significant part of their "success" is that they failed miserably containing COVID earlier and many have immunity due to antibodies. The omission is stunningly misleading.

Consider the following estimates of antibodies and how it will effect transmission.

NYC: Estimate 20% have antibodies (14% statewide)

AZ: (June 13) 3.1% estimated to have antibodies

Estimated % of population that has antibodies
NYC: 20%
NY: 14%
AZ: 3.1%

From the other thread, it states that
R > 1.1 it is accelerating growth
R between 0.9 and 1.1 is reasonably stable
R < 0.9 is decelerating
where R is the average number of people an infected person will infect.

Below is an example of how comparing areas with very different proportions of people with antibodies can lead to a misleading conclusion about how well or poorly a region is containing the spread.

To isolate the effect of those with antibodies, assume that all 3 areas are doing equally well in their mitigation - mask wearing, distancing, etc. - and the R value is 1.2 for a population that doesn't have any infections - well above the accelerating growth threshold of 1.1. Below is the calculation of the effective R which will be lower as some people have immunity.

To find the "effective R", take R, 1.2, and multiply it by the portion of people susceptible to COVID (0.8 in NYC, 0.86 in NY state and 0.969 in AZ)

For NYC
0.96 = 1.2*(0.8)

For the State of NY
1.032 = 1.2*(0.86)

For AZ
1.163 =1.2*(0.969)

Both NYC (0.96) and the state of NY (1.032) would have effective R values well within the stable range but AZ (1.163) is well over the accelerating growth threshold of 1.1. The only difference is the larger number of cases NY already had.

There are definitely other factors, but not mentioning this as a factor is a disservice.
 
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