No Soccer - Bad / No School - Catastrophic!

[Desert Hound]

No wonder you guys had 3000 dead in such a small state.

Eh...14th biggest in the US. Certainly smaller than CA...but bigger than most of the other states in the US.

Your predictions of our doom are consistently off.

Your predictions of GA as you admitted finally were wrong.

The same holds true for your predications of FL and TX.

None of those states (including your CA) are getting anywhere close to the deaths the NE saw early on.

You and many other people (the press especially )still look at the covid virus through the lense of what you saw happen in the NE region early on. Since then, things have changed dramatically.

 

[TOSDCI]

Who can do a private school for only $25K per year? Ima move there.

Catholic high school tuition is less than $25K per year.

 

[Hüsker Dü]

Eh...14th biggest in the US. Certainly smaller than CA...but bigger than most of the other states in the US.

Your predictions of our doom are consistently off.

Your predictions of GA as you admitted finally were wrong.

The same holds true for your predications of FL and TX.

None of those states (including your CA) are getting anywhere close to the deaths the NE saw early on.

You and many other people (the press especially )still look at the covid virus through the lense of what you saw happen in the NE region early on. Since then, things have changed dramatically.

I wouldn't be counting no chickens.

 

[Hüsker Dü]

Catholic high school tuition is less than $25K per year.

Lol!

 

[messy]

He use to have a modicum of presence in these forums, he's turned pure troll. The pressure must have got to him.

Poor guy is so insecure he thinks wearing a mask robs him of his manhood...

 

[The Outlaw *BANNED*]

Poor guy is so insecure he thinks wearing a mask robs him of his manhood...

Maybe he could put on a skirt and eyeliner to REALLY feel like a man?

 

[The Outlaw *BANNED*]

Lol!

You're so fucking stupid. There are private schools all over California that are less than $25k per year.

 

[messy]

Maybe he could put on a skirt and eyeliner to REALLY feel like a man?

Shhh.

 

[dad4]

Eh...14th biggest in the US. Certainly smaller than CA...but bigger than most of the other states in the US.

Your predictions of our doom are consistently off.

Your predictions of GA as you admitted finally were wrong.

The same holds true for your predications of FL and TX.

None of those states (including your CA) are getting anywhere close to the deaths the NE saw early on.

You and many other people (the press especially )still look at the covid virus through the lense of what you saw happen in the NE region early on. Since then, things have changed dramatically.

13 of those 14 states are the ones with March/April outbreaks, before we had decent treatments.

The other one is MS, which is doing the same stupid shit you are.

So, of the 35 or so states without a major April outbreak, AZ ranks second to last.

I didn’t say GA was screwing up. My wrong prediction for GA when I said they weren’t totally screwing up. I thought they were actually serious about masks and other non-closure interventions. I was wrong.

How many deaths would it take to convince you that opening a bar in the middle of a respiratory pandemic is stupid? Apparently 3000 isn’t enough.

Maybe 3500? One person dead for every 2000 residents of the great state of AZ? Or does it have to rise to one dead for every 1000 residents for you to take notice?

 

[Desert Hound]

13 of those 14 states are the ones with March/April outbreaks, before we had decent treatments.

The other one is MS, which is doing the same stupid shit you are.

So, of the 35 or so states without a major April outbreak, AZ ranks second to last.

I didn't realize this was how the goal posts get moved.

Up until yesterday when the facts didn't go your way you never have said we should rank states now vs back in March & April.

Is it just treatments that are making the difference?

Is it that smart states realized early on that you don't put infected people back into locations (nursing homes) with lots of already sick people? And yet Cuomo is still lauded by many as being on top of the outbreak.

Why is it that despite an abundance of new cases throughout the US, the number of deaths haven't come anywhere close to what we first saw? A time when the virus was just introduced to the US. A time when relatively few people had it apparently but caused a lot of deaths.

You have been saying for months now (late April for GA and FL) and early May for TX and AZ that things were going sideways for those states. They haven't. And yet you still continue.

CA who you don't complain about also has seen a spike in CASES but not a corresponding rise in deaths. Why no complaints about CA? CA has more cases per million vs TX and slightly less vs FL.

Overall it stands to reason that as people go out and about more that cases will rise right? Early on it was about FLATTENING the curve to allow supplies to catch up. At the time they (the gov/press/experts) were honest. They just needed some time. The virus wasn't magically going away. But then the Karen's became worried and a brief period of closure to allow the hospitals catch up became...do very little until we have a vaccine.

The reality is that 45 states have seen nothing like the NE experienced early on. And yet our policies and fears seem to be largely predicated on what happened early on.

5 states have contributed to a bit less than 50% off all deaths. States with a population of 50 million.

The rest of the states with about 280 million have experience roughly 72k deaths. Of those, using the stats put out by a variety of orgs..and reported on by the NY Times for instance...43% of all deaths are in nursing homes/assisted living facilities. Places were when you are placed you are never getting out alive by the way.

So taking out the 43% in nursing homes...you have about 30K individuals who have died in a population of 280 million people. 30k. That is not a large # considering the size of the population.

Yet you and others want to shut it all down based on that. And keep it shut down. Restaurants who employ a huge percentage of the workforce? Sorry owners and employees. Suck it up. Suppliers reliant in supplying them? Suck it up boys. Their employees? Suck it up boys. The families that rely on their parents making money working? Sorry...take your unemployment check and suck it up. By the way...no school for your kids either. Gym owners? Yeah no you can't support yourself. And the list goes on.

All for something right now that is about 2.5x worse than the flu.

You basically advocate putting life on hold...biz, school, etc until some vaccine comes around. We don't know when that will happen, if it will happen, how effective it will be, etc.

State finances have had a hole blown through them. Same with municipalities. This will force reductions in services for people that need them. They will also try to raise taxes to fill their needs. Tax people and biz already making less? States like CA are basically screwing kids with no in class for AT least through fall. Screw them right? They will get substandard educations in fall at a min. The rich and the better off middle class will find something that isnt totally substandard, but their kids education will suffer. The lower middle class and poor? They are out of luck.

Fed finances? How many trillions have we spent? How many trillions in lost economic activity have we lost?

All this for something that isn't a risk to the VAST VAST majority of our population. For something that overall is 2.5x worse than a bad flu season.

Madness.

 

[nononono]

Eh...14th biggest in the US. Certainly smaller than CA...but bigger than most of the other states in the US.

Your predictions of our doom are consistently off.

Your predictions of GA as you admitted finally were wrong.

The same holds true for your predications of FL and TX.

None of those states (including your CA) are getting anywhere close to the deaths the NE saw early on.

You and many other people (the press especially )still look at the covid virus through the lense of what you saw happen in the NE region early on. Since then, things have changed dramatically.

Remember what I posted about New York and the " Trial " run of a Pandemic last fall....
They knew about the pending release in China and the deliberate flights out of Wuhan
to all points west and east.....

Event 201 | Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security

The Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security in partnership with the World Economic Forum and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation hosted Event 201, a high-level pandemic exercise on October 18, 2019, in New York, NY.

www.centerforhealthsecurity.org

This was ALL done by design, as is the piggy backing of elderly patients from Imperial County to
Counties North by Mercy Air and other Medical Helicopter agencies....
They ( Democrats ) are seeding low number counties in southern California with a virulent strain of
COVID-19 from Mexico.....the problem with their plan is the virus degrades with each jump.
Look up the deceptive way they are seeding patients into regular hospitals and then into
retirement homes/Senior Centers.....Gov Gavin Gruesome is taking a page straight out of
Gov Andrew Cuomo's playbook he used in New York State/City....


DEMOCRATS = CRIMINALS

 

[dad4]

I didn't realize this was how the goal posts get moved.

Up until yesterday when the facts didn't go your way you never have said we should rank states now vs back in March & April.

Is it just treatments that are making the difference?

Is it that smart states realized early on that you don't put infected people back into locations (nursing homes) with lots of already sick people? And yet Cuomo is still lauded by many as being on top of the outbreak.

Why is it that despite an abundance of new cases throughout the US, the number of deaths haven't come anywhere close to what we first saw? A time when the virus was just introduced to the US. A time when relatively few people had it apparently but caused a lot of deaths.

You have been saying for months now (late April for GA and FL) and early May for TX and AZ that things were going sideways for those states. They haven't. And yet you still continue.

CA who you don't complain about also has seen a spike in CASES but not a corresponding rise in deaths. Why no complaints about CA? CA has more cases per million vs TX and slightly less vs FL.

Overall it stands to reason that as people go out and about more that cases will rise right? Early on it was about FLATTENING the curve to allow supplies to catch up. At the time they (the gov/press/experts) were honest. They just needed some time. The virus wasn't magically going away. But then the Karen's became worried and a brief period of closure to allow the hospitals catch up became...do very little until we have a vaccine.

The reality is that 45 states have seen nothing like the NE experienced early on. And yet our policies and fears seem to be largely predicated on what happened early on.

5 states have contributed to a bit less than 50% off all deaths. States with a population of 50 million.

The rest of the states with about 280 million have experience roughly 72k deaths. Of those, using the stats put out by a variety of orgs..and reported on by the NY Times for instance...43% of all deaths are in nursing homes/assisted living facilities. Places were when you are placed you are never getting out alive by the way.

So taking out the 43% in nursing homes...you have about 30K individuals who have died in a population of 280 million people. 30k. That is not a large # considering the size of the population.

Yet you and others want to shut it all down based on that. And keep it shut down. Restaurants who employ a huge percentage of the workforce? Sorry owners and employees. Suck it up. Suppliers reliant in supplying them? Suck it up boys. Their employees? Suck it up boys. The families that rely on their parents making money working? Sorry...take your unemployment check and suck it up. By the way...no school for your kids either. Gym owners? Yeah no you can't support yourself. And the list goes on.

All for something right now that is about 2.5x worse than the flu.

You basically advocate putting life on hold...biz, school, etc until some vaccine comes around. We don't know when that will happen, if it will happen, how effective it will be, etc.

State finances have had a hole blown through them. Same with municipalities. This will force reductions in services for people that need them. They will also try to raise taxes to fill their needs. Tax people and biz already making less? States like CA are basically screwing kids with no in class for AT least through fall. Screw them right? They will get substandard educations in fall at a min. The rich and the better off middle class will find something that isnt totally substandard, but their kids education will suffer. The lower middle class and poor? They are out of luck.

Fed finances? How many trillions have we spent? How many trillions in lost economic activity have we lost?

All this for something that isn't a risk to the VAST VAST majority of our population. For something that overall is 2.5x worse than a bad flu season.

Madness.

Yes, the treatments today are much better than treatments on March. The average age of infected people is also lower, which results in a fewer deaths per infection.

Therefore, you should only compare March deaths to March deaths and July deaths to July deaths.

And, when you compare July deaths, AZ is one of the main drivers of the pandemic. You’re creating a huge pool of infected people so you all can have beer and pizza at the local sports bar.

Enjoy your Hefeweisen.

 

[EOTL]

I didn't realize this was how the goal posts get moved.

Up until yesterday when the facts didn't go your way you never have said we should rank states now vs back in March & April.

Is it just treatments that are making the difference?

Is it that smart states realized early on that you don't put infected people back into locations (nursing homes) with lots of already sick people? And yet Cuomo is still lauded by many as being on top of the outbreak.

Why is it that despite an abundance of new cases throughout the US, the number of deaths haven't come anywhere close to what we first saw? A time when the virus was just introduced to the US. A time when relatively few people had it apparently but caused a lot of deaths.

You have been saying for months now (late April for GA and FL) and early May for TX and AZ that things were going sideways for those states. They haven't. And yet you still continue.

CA who you don't complain about also has seen a spike in CASES but not a corresponding rise in deaths. Why no complaints about CA? CA has more cases per million vs TX and slightly less vs FL.

Overall it stands to reason that as people go out and about more that cases will rise right? Early on it was about FLATTENING the curve to allow supplies to catch up. At the time they (the gov/press/experts) were honest. They just needed some time. The virus wasn't magically going away. But then the Karen's became worried and a brief period of closure to allow the hospitals catch up became...do very little until we have a vaccine.

The reality is that 45 states have seen nothing like the NE experienced early on. And yet our policies and fears seem to be largely predicated on what happened early on.

5 states have contributed to a bit less than 50% off all deaths. States with a population of 50 million.

The rest of the states with about 280 million have experience roughly 72k deaths. Of those, using the stats put out by a variety of orgs..and reported on by the NY Times for instance...43% of all deaths are in nursing homes/assisted living facilities. Places were when you are placed you are never getting out alive by the way.

So taking out the 43% in nursing homes...you have about 30K individuals who have died in a population of 280 million people. 30k. That is not a large # considering the size of the population.

Yet you and others want to shut it all down based on that. And keep it shut down. Restaurants who employ a huge percentage of the workforce? Sorry owners and employees. Suck it up. Suppliers reliant in supplying them? Suck it up boys. Their employees? Suck it up boys. The families that rely on their parents making money working? Sorry...take your unemployment check and suck it up. By the way...no school for your kids either. Gym owners? Yeah no you can't support yourself. And the list goes on.

All for something right now that is about 2.5x worse than the flu.

You basically advocate putting life on hold...biz, school, etc until some vaccine comes around. We don't know when that will happen, if it will happen, how effective it will be, etc.

State finances have had a hole blown through them. Same with municipalities. This will force reductions in services for people that need them. They will also try to raise taxes to fill their needs. Tax people and biz already making less? States like CA are basically screwing kids with no in class for AT least through fall. Screw them right? They will get substandard educations in fall at a min. The rich and the better off middle class will find something that isnt totally substandard, but their kids education will suffer. The lower middle class and poor? They are out of luck.

Fed finances? How many trillions have we spent? How many trillions in lost economic activity have we lost?

All this for something that isn't a risk to the VAST VAST majority of our population. For something that overall is 2.5x worse than a bad flu season.

Madness.

How many people need to die in AZ before you agree that AZ has f**ked up? I want to make sure the goalposts don’t get moved or, in your case, never even placed on the field.

 

[Desert Hound]

Yes, the treatments today are much better than treatments on March. The average age of infected people is also lower, which results in a fewer deaths per infection.

Therefore, you should only compare March deaths to March deaths and July deaths to July deaths.

And, when you compare July deaths, AZ is one of the main drivers of the pandemic. You’re creating a huge pool of infected people so you all can have beer and pizza at the local sports bar.

Enjoy your Hefeweisen.

I actually prefer IPA's nowadays.

 

[Desert Hound]

How many people need to die in AZ before you agree that AZ has f**ked up? I want to make sure the goalposts don’t get moved or, in your case, never even placed on the field.

What would be the cause of the spike in CA positives? I assume you think CA is doing it right since I don't hear you sniveling about it.

 

[Desert Hound]

AZ is one of the main drivers of the pandemic.

I guess CA isn't then? They don't drive anything?

You seem to have zero to few complaints about CA and yet despite them doing what you want, they too have seen a large spike as well.

Fortunately like the rest of the West and South they have not seen corresponding increases in deaths.

By the way AZ cases are dropping again and CA is still going up. This despite us hanging out having IPA's

 

[EOTL]

I didn't realize this was how the goal posts get moved.

Up until yesterday when the facts didn't go your way you never have said we should rank states now vs back in March & April.

Is it just treatments that are making the difference?

Is it that smart states realized early on that you don't put infected people back into locations (nursing homes) with lots of already sick people? And yet Cuomo is still lauded by many as being on top of the outbreak.

Why is it that despite an abundance of new cases throughout the US, the number of deaths haven't come anywhere close to what we first saw? A time when the virus was just introduced to the US. A time when relatively few people had it apparently but caused a lot of deaths.

You have been saying for months now (late April for GA and FL) and early May for TX and AZ that things were going sideways for those states. They haven't. And yet you still continue.

CA who you don't complain about also has seen a spike in CASES but not a corresponding rise in deaths. Why no complaints about CA? CA has more cases per million vs TX and slightly less vs FL.

Overall it stands to reason that as people go out and about more that cases will rise right? Early on it was about FLATTENING the curve to allow supplies to catch up. At the time they (the gov/press/experts) were honest. They just needed some time. The virus wasn't magically going away. But then the Karen's became worried and a brief period of closure to allow the hospitals catch up became...do very little until we have a vaccine.

The reality is that 45 states have seen nothing like the NE experienced early on. And yet our policies and fears seem to be largely predicated on what happened early on.

5 states have contributed to a bit less than 50% off all deaths. States with a population of 50 million.

The rest of the states with about 280 million have experience roughly 72k deaths. Of those, using the stats put out by a variety of orgs..and reported on by the NY Times for instance...43% of all deaths are in nursing homes/assisted living facilities. Places were when you are placed you are never getting out alive by the way.

So taking out the 43% in nursing homes...you have about 30K individuals who have died in a population of 280 million people. 30k. That is not a large # considering the size of the population.

Yet you and others want to shut it all down based on that. And keep it shut down. Restaurants who employ a huge percentage of the workforce? Sorry owners and employees. Suck it up. Suppliers reliant in supplying them? Suck it up boys. Their employees? Suck it up boys. The families that rely on their parents making money working? Sorry...take your unemployment check and suck it up. By the way...no school for your kids either. Gym owners? Yeah no you can't support yourself. And the list goes on.

All for something right now that is about 2.5x worse than the flu.

You basically advocate putting life on hold...biz, school, etc until some vaccine comes around. We don't know when that will happen, if it will happen, how effective it will be, etc.

State finances have had a hole blown through them. Same with municipalities. This will force reductions in services for people that need them. They will also try to raise taxes to fill their needs. Tax people and biz already making less? States like CA are basically screwing kids with no in class for AT least through fall. Screw them right? They will get substandard educations in fall at a min. The rich and the better off middle class will find something that isnt totally substandard, but their kids education will suffer. The lower middle class and poor? They are out of luck.

Fed finances? How many trillions have we spent? How many trillions in lost economic activity have we lost?

All this for something that isn't a risk to the VAST VAST majority of our population. For something that overall is 2.5x worse than a bad flu season.

Madness.

Roughly 43,000 people died from the flu in 12 months in 2019-20. Roughly 145,000 have died from COVID-19 in a little over 4 months, and we’re looking at 1000 a day and growing right now. That tracks at almost 400,000 over a 12 month period. That’s about 9x worse.

How many people need to die in AZ before you change your mind? 6,000? 10,000? 100,000? All of you?

 

[dad4]

I guess CA isn't then? They don't drive anything?

You seem to have zero to few complaints about CA and yet despite them doing what you want, they too have seen a large spike as well.

Fortunately like the rest of the West and South they have not seen corresponding increases in deaths.

By the way AZ cases are dropping again and CA is still going up. This despite us hanging out having IPA's

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California, especially socal, is helping drive the pandemic, too. Just not as severely as AZ.

They chose protests and BBQ over schools and sports.

Agree that IPA is the way to go. I just have mine at home.

 

[watfly]

Is it that smart states realized early on that you don't put infected people back into locations (nursing homes) with lots of already sick people? And yet Cuomo is still lauded by many as being on top of the outbreak.

In hindsight Coumo is a genius. Kill massive amounts of citizens up front and blow through Covid quickly. Then claim you've won the battle because your cases have plummeted, and ban travelers from other states that have death rates that are a fraction of yours. Even travel to other states with very low death rates and give advice on how to fight Covid. Then let the media tell every sheeple how well NY is doing while completely ignoring the needless number of deaths that were caused directly by the policies of the governor. Pure genius.

 

[EOTL]

I guess CA isn't then? They don't drive anything?

You seem to have zero to few complaints about CA and yet despite them doing what you want, they too have seen a large spike as well.

Fortunately like the rest of the West and South they have not seen corresponding increases in deaths.

By the way AZ cases are dropping again and CA is still going up. This despite us hanging out having IPA's

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CA has about half the death rate as AZ despite having far more densely populated areas. Within a month, CA’s death rate is likely to be about 1/4 that of AZ. You and your buddies can’t even blame BLM for the AZ death rates since you haven’t had anywhere near the protests. Pointing to a state that is still doing far better than yours (2x and soon to be 4x) is just a deflection from your state’s abysmal handling of the pandemic.

Reported cases means nothing in states that have heeded the bloated tangerine man-baby’s dictate to test less. Deaths matter, however. ICU beds taken matter. Numbers of people with permanent heart and lung disease matter.

How many gotta die before you change your mind? How many more need to have permanent health conditions as a result?