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dad4 said:
I guess that explanation works for you.

To me, it is a ridiculous oversimplification that completely disregards the self-perpetuating nature of urban violence and weakened family structure.

It also completely ignores the point that was raised.
( Deaths in police custody does not have a racial element once you factor in violent crime rates. )

Like I said. It becomes impossible to discuss these things, but not because there is no point of disagreement.
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No because of willful ignorance and blaming the victim. Your personal opinion and my personal opinion does not matter because it’s based on limited personal experience.

The subject matter experts invariably disagree with your personal opinion. We cannot debate if their is willful ignorance on your behalf and you deny the evidence. Why do you refuse to look at the Sociological data which substantiates my point?
Also why do you accept the above crime statistic as valid yet you attempt to discredit Sociologist?
 
Justafan said:
I told you it was about the money! Well there's a lot of shit I disagree with also, but if I want something different than what's being offered, I either pay for it myself or move somewhere else where it is offered.
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That's subjugating to government...be better.
 
dad4 said:
I guess that explanation works for you.

To me, it is a ridiculous oversimplification that completely disregards the self-perpetuating nature of urban violence and weakened family structure.

It also completely ignores the point that was raised.
( Deaths in police custody does not have a racial element once you factor in violent crime rates. )

Like I said. It becomes impossible to discuss these things, but not because there is no point of disagreement.
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You're just now learning oversimplification is his middle name?
 
Grace T. said:
Will never happen because there's an equal protection problem in the California constitution. There's been talk as well as only having special needs or IEPs go in....same problem.
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Hate to be the bearer of bad news but the constitution is going out the door. Washington State was talking about sending minority kiddos back to school while those with privilege stay home. Now Seattle is talking about police layoffs based on race. And have you seen San Francisco lately. So sad.
 
MacDre said:
No because of willful ignorance and blaming the victim. Your personal opinion and my personal opinion does not matter because it’s based on limited personal experience.

The subject matter experts invariably disagree with your personal opinion. We cannot debate if their is willful ignorance on your behalf and you deny the evidence. Why do you refuse to look at the Sociological data which substantiates my point?
Also why do you accept the above crime statistic as valid yet you attempt to discredit Sociologist?
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I’d be happy to look at data on the point.

So far, I’ve been offered conclusions and accusations of racism, but no data. If deaths in police custody are abnormally high for a particular ethnic group, that deserves attention.

Of the data I’ve seen,

One set of data compares deaths in police custody per capita. Per capita, there is a large racial disparity.

Similar data, if you compare deaths in police custody per violent crime conviction, does not show a racial disparity.

This is completely consistent with a racially disparate crime problem and a non-racist, but sometimes violent, police force.

If there is other evidence that points to modern police racism, instead of crime and police militarization, as the core problem, send the link.
 
Grace T. said:
Gotta say I'm the same. Was a huge Obama supporter in '08. This will even likely cause me to vote for the incompetent idiot.

It will be funny if my kid is doing remote school in Utah (because it's already paid for).
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There is always Kanye Omari West
 
More school districts our way announcing remote only: Simi, Moorpark, Oxnard, Santa Barbara Simi's weird....teachers will be teaching from the classroom (and can bring their children to work). From the quotes being reported, it's very clear there's a timeline emerging. Trump made his comments about schools and the unions came out against it. Someone in state health made a decision (either based on 1 of these factors if you are cynical, or serendipity if you are not) and the governor while all this was happening signed off on it. They started by notifying the major districts (LA, SF, SD) and have been going around calling the smaller districts. Perhaps because the governor's unique hatred of the OC, some of those calls have yet to be made and will be made tomorrow am before the announcement tomorrow. It also lends credence to rumors it may not be state wide....just the major counties affected by the Rona so Jefferson might have escaped.

Take it with a grain of salt....it's pretty clear someone at the state is making phone calls and this is coming from the top down but all other details are speculative.
 
met61 said:
That's subjugating to government...be better.
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i will gladly subjugate myself to the federal government if they provide the Abbot 10-15 minute test and sanitizing blowing fan to every school in America so all our kids can go back to school. The solution is so easy, I’m surprised this doesn’t get more support. This will protect teachers and staff and give them peace of mind. And if you have a better idea, I’m all ears.

This is an all hands on deck moment, check your ego and politics at the door!
 
Grace T. said:
More school districts our way announcing remote only: Simi, Moorpark, Oxnard, Santa Barbara Simi's weird....teachers will be teaching from the classroom (and can bring their children to work). From the quotes being reported, it's very clear there's a timeline emerging. Trump made his comments about schools and the unions came out against it. Someone in state health made a decision (either based on 1 of these factors if you are cynical, or serendipity if you are not) and the governor while all this was happening signed off on it. They started by notifying the major districts (LA, SF, SD) and have been going around calling the smaller districts. Perhaps because the governor's unique hatred of the OC, some of those calls have yet to be made and will be made tomorrow am before the announcement tomorrow. It also lends credence to rumors it may not be state wide....just the major counties affected by the Rona so Jefferson might have escaped.

Take it with a grain of salt....it's pretty clear someone at the state is making phone calls and this is coming from the top down but all other details are speculative.
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Watch list counties only
 
MacDre said:
No that’s patriotic. Learn about it.
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Honest question here. On the topic of schools and school choice, are you voting for racist joe biden that said he didn't want his white kids growing up in a racial jungle in reference to integrating schools through busing?
 
Grace T. said:
More school districts our way announcing remote only: Simi, Moorpark, Oxnard, Santa Barbara Simi's weird....teachers will be teaching from the classroom (and can bring their children to work). From the quotes being reported, it's very clear there's a timeline emerging. Trump made his comments about schools and the unions came out against it. Someone in state health made a decision (either based on 1 of these factors if you are cynical, or serendipity if you are not) and the governor while all this was happening signed off on it. They started by notifying the major districts (LA, SF, SD) and have been going around calling the smaller districts. Perhaps because the governor's unique hatred of the OC, some of those calls have yet to be made and will be made tomorrow am before the announcement tomorrow. It also lends credence to rumors it may not be state wide....just the major counties affected by the Rona so Jefferson might have escaped.

Take it with a grain of salt....it's pretty clear someone at the state is making phone calls and this is coming from the top down but all other details are speculative.
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Adding to your theory, LA and SD Unified made a joint announcement that they were going to online school. When has schools districts ever consulted each other?
 
dad4 said:
I’d be happy to look at data on the point.

So far, I’ve been offered conclusions and accusations of racism, but no data. If deaths in police custody are abnormally high for a particular ethnic group, that deserves attention.

Of the data I’ve seen,

One set of data compares deaths in police custody per capita. Per capita, there is a large racial disparity.
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MSK357 said:
Honest question here. On the topic of schools and school choice, are you voting for racist joe biden that said he didn't want his white kids growing up in a racial jungle in reference to integrating schools through busing?
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To be honest, I’m a black Californian so it doesn’t matter because my vote has been negated through the electoral college.
 
dad4 said:
I’d be happy to look at data on the point.

So far, I’ve been offered conclusions and accusations of racism, but no data. If deaths in police custody are abnormally high for a particular ethnic group, that deserves attention.

Of the data I’ve seen,

One set of data compares deaths in police custody per capita. Per capita, there is a large racial disparity.

Similar data, if you compare deaths in police custody per violent crime conviction, does not show a racial disparity.

This is completely consistent with a racially disparate crime problem and a non-racist, but sometimes violent, police force.

If there is other evidence that points to modern police racism, instead of crime and police militarization, as the core problem, send the link.
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You saying “this is completely consistent with a racially disparate crime problem is completely consistent with an ethnocentric racist.
 
MSK357 said:
Honest question here. On the topic of schools and school choice, are you voting for racist joe biden that said he didn't want his white kids growing up in a racial jungle in reference to integrating schools through busing?
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Honest answer, that’s a weak talking point. Yes, that’s his record and that’s undeniable. However, that was 40 years ago. He has evolved to the point that minorities trust him. He’s also willing to admit when he’s wrong, like he did with the China travel ban.

So are you with me on the Abbot tests and sanitizer fans?
 
MacDre said:
To be honest, I’m a black Californian so it doesn’t matter because my vote has been negated through the electoral college.
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I look at you as a Californian just so you know. Plus, based on everything you say ((I take it all with a grain of salt)) you seem like someone who can have a great impact helping us all be their for best each other.
 
dad4 said:
And out comes the racism accusation, just like clockwork. But no data. :(
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No. I’m saying you have adequate data. Plus, I’m too lazy to search for data that I reviewed 25 years ago in Sociology class. But, the conclusion you reached about the crime data you have is hasty, not supported by the data, and is racist because you arbitrarily conclude that “this is completely consistent with a racially disparate crime problem.” Analysis paralysis and conclusory garbage is what your conclusion consist of.
 
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