No Soccer - Bad / No School - Catastrophic!

Justafan said:
So we finally get to the root of all this charge school debate,$$$$. When they say it’s not about the money, it’s about the money. You don’t like public school education that’s fine. You want a private school, that’s fine. But you want me to pay for the private school, F’U’, do that on your own dime.

The bottom line is people who can’t afford private school, who want to feel exclusive, want a subsidy. I thought you guys were against handouts.

And since when have you, or that private company from Texas running the charter school, ever given a Flying F*^k about inner city education? Yeah, yeah, look, charters help the minorities also. .

And as for charter school schools in East L.A. specificallycan tell you all of their teachers are rookies, getting paid very little. Wow, what a surprise, a for profit company being cost effective and hiring the cheapest labor! And yes their scores are going to be higher because they take the best students.

So regardless of the education they are actually receiving, they are going to have better scores.
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Calm down. By taking $2800 to home school your own kid, its a tax savings of $9200 because it costs the government, really the tax payers, $12000 to educate a child in public school. Instead of wasting $12000 on a failing school to educate a child, i see no problem taking $2800 to educate your own child. The liberal state of California was obviously fine with that. Or you can move your child to a charter school. Before you slam charter schools with articles paid for by teachers unions, ask a child and their parents why they chose to go to a charter school. Otherwise you are not speaking from experience but a position of privledge.
 
EOTL said:
Sorry but it is true. They aren’t lying when they say they have room. Instead, they are reverse engineering enrollment to accommodate the number of desirables in their typically affluent region who will attend and then use that as a preference. Or they’ll establish a requirement or preference that is neutral on its face but weeds out “undesirables”, like the requirement that you must play a musical instrument to be considered. It is easy peasy to exclude those who were never taught that the salad fork goes to the outside of the dinner fork.
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If they do that report them. Shady Charter schools can be shutdown way more easier than a shady normal public school. All while superintendents are collecting 400k+ salaries. Pretty shady when school districts can't afford enough tablets or laptops to go on zoom or Google classroom.
 
MSK357 said:
Calm down. By taking $2800 to home school your own kid, i
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I thought the governor had said you can't take the credit next year. Part of the rumors are also that he's going to crack down on new homeschooling ,and homeschooling cooperatives (which also violate stay at home), because of a fear of a mass exodus from the public schools and the loss of federal money. With the budget teetering, it very much is a financial triage thing.
 
MacDre said:
What part do you disagree with? I thought he substantiated each allegation. Which allegation is baseless? Folks need to stop trying to minimize and trivialize what’s going on. I think many are uncomfortable with how normalized racism is and are uncomfortable with how @EOTL eloquently points out these aggressions. White Silence is Violence.
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If anyone is racist when it comes to public schools and school choice, please look to the guy that stopped people of color integrating rich white schools. Look at the guy that said he didn't want his white children growing up in racial jungle. They guy is Joe Biden. Remember that in november.
 
Grace T. said:
I thought the governor had said you can't take the credit next year. Part of the rumors are also that he's going to crack down on new homeschooling ,and homeschooling cooperatives (which also violate stay at home), because of a fear of a mass exodus from the public schools and the loss of federal money. With the budget teetering, it very much is a financial triage thing.
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Yes thats correct. With the new 2020-2021 budget parents will not get any homeschooling assistance if they pull kids out of public schools. Only the ones that were already getting the assistance.
 
Grace T. said:
On a call for our private middle school reopening plans. Their elaborate reopening plan is falling apart, particularly given the governor has put baseline testing into tier 4 and prohibited it tier 4 tests while there is a reporting lag. The panic among parents is palpabale.
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Were making contingency plans right now for our kids to attend school out of state.

I get that elections have consequences but this is a complete abuse of power by Newsom and the unions. You can mess with me but don't mess with my kids, particularly when they're being exploited as political pawns. So yeah i am cranky:p

I've never been the anti government type, I've always felt that despite different priorities, our leaders acted in good faith for the most part. But Newsom's actions are inexcusable.
 
watfly said:
Were making contingency plans right now for our kids to attend school out of state.

I get that elections have consequences but this is a complete abuse of power by Newsom and the unions. You can mess with me but don't mess with my kids, particularly when they're being exploited as political pawns. So yeah i am cranky:p

I've never been the anti government type, I've always felt that despite different priorities, our leaders acted in good faith for the most part. But Newsom's actions are inexcusable.
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Gotta say I'm the same. Was a huge Obama supporter in '08. This will even likely cause me to vote for the incompetent idiot.

It will be funny if my kid is doing remote school in Utah (because it's already paid for).
 
Grace T. said:
Gotta say I'm the same. Was a huge Obama supporter in '08. This will even likely cause me to vote for the incompetent idiot.

It will be funny if my kid is doing remote school in Utah (because it's already paid for).
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You all need to calm down Kids will be back in school by November. There’s plenty of advancements going on with covid vaccines and related medication.
Also, one of our parents is enrolling their child in a private school that apparently has guaranteed them that kids will be in classrooms. I don’t know how they are doing it.
 
SoccerFan4Life said:
You all need to calm down Kids will be back in school by November. There’s plenty of advancements going on with covid vaccines and related medication.
Also, one of our parents is enrolling their child in a private school that apparently has guaranteed them that kids will be in classrooms. I don’t know how they are doing it.
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There's no way a private school can guarantee they'll be in classrooms, unless the guarantee is give you your money back. From the reporting of Las Virginess USD...they wanted to reopen, they had plans to reopen that had been approved by county health and county education, the governor's prohibition made it impossible. IF the reporting out of Las Virgeness is correct, it's not a question of whether Newsom is going to announce school closures but how broad they are....what about colleges, what about boarding schools, what about private schools, is it only Socal and maybe Bay Area metro and are some counties in Jefferson exempt, is it for a limited time?

The nice thing about private schools is they have the flexibility to turn on a dime if state and county health allow (since they aren't subject to the ed department restrictions). Charters have a less flexibility. But the problem with the public schools is the unions....given the standards they've asked for, and given the precedent they've set, it is very unlikely most will be able to open mid-semester and quite possibly not until there's a vaccine. The public schools also can't just turn on a dime given the bureaucratic red tape.

p.s. some parents on the call said that some schools too like Harvard Westlake and Oaks Christian are still holding football practices in violation of the new rules. Don't know if that's true or not....have no personal knowledge.
 
I'm ready to leave. My wife will never put that Wuhan bat virus in her arm and neither will eye. However, I love California so much. I will speak up for what's right and hope for others to speak up as well and that gives me hope. My friend who teaches in a big school district says the average age teacher is over 52 and he said, many have health issues already and its not safe for them. He loves my idea of the healthy teachers teaching all the first responders children only. He also see's these teachers in the large room and their just not eating healthy and complain at just about every lunch hour about little Booby or Susie acting disrespectful. Kids have no respect he says and its really baby sitting 8th graders who tell the teacher to shut up or seek revenge after school. I know where you park. One of the teachers had a threat with a 8th grade punk bringing a gun to school. Scary stuff teachers have to go through. I love teachers and some of them were life savers for me. Some were also complete assholes.
 
SoccerFan4Life said:
You all need to calm down Kids will be back in school by November. There’s plenty of advancements going on with covid vaccines and related medication.
Also, one of our parents is enrolling their child in a private school that apparently has guaranteed them that kids will be in classrooms. I don’t know how they are doing it.
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Germany?
 
Ellejustus said:
He loves my idea of the healthy teachers teaching all the first responders children only.
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Will never happen because there's an equal protection problem in the California constitution. There's been talk as well as only having special needs or IEPs go in....same problem.
 
Grace T. said:
There's no way a private school can guarantee they'll be in classrooms, unless the guarantee is give you your money back. From the reporting of Las Virginess USD...they wanted to reopen, they had plans to reopen that had been approved by county health and county education, the governor's prohibition made it impossible. IF the reporting out of Las Virgeness is correct, it's not a question of whether Newsom is going to announce school closures but how broad they are....what about colleges, what about boarding schools, what about private schools, is it only Socal and maybe Bay Area metro and are some counties in Jefferson exempt, is it for a limited time?

The nice thing about private schools is they have the flexibility to turn on a dime if state and county health allow (since they aren't subject to the ed department restrictions). Charters have a less flexibility. But the problem with the public schools is the unions....given the standards they've asked for, and given the precedent they've set, it is very unlikely most will be able to open mid-semester and quite possibly not until there's a vaccine. The public schools also can't just turn on a dime given the bureaucratic red tape.

p.s. some parents on the call said that some schools too like Harvard Westlake and Oaks Christian are still holding football practices in violation of the new rules. Don't know if that's true or not....have no personal knowledge.
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dad4 said:
I guess that explanation works for you.

To me, it is a ridiculous oversimplification that completely disregards the self-perpetuating nature of urban violence and weakened family structure.

It also completely ignores the point that was raised.
( Deaths in police custody does not have a racial element once you factor in violent crime rates. )

Like I said. It becomes impossible to discuss these things, but not because there is no point of disagreement.
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No because of willful ignorance and blaming the victim. Your personal opinion and my personal opinion does not matter because it’s based on limited personal experience.

The subject matter experts invariably disagree with your personal opinion. We cannot debate if their is willful ignorance on your behalf and you deny the evidence. Why do you refuse to look at the Sociological data which substantiates my point?
Also why do you accept the above crime statistic as valid yet you attempt to discredit Sociologist?
 
Justafan said:
I told you it was about the money! Well there's a lot of shit I disagree with also, but if I want something different than what's being offered, I either pay for it myself or move somewhere else where it is offered.
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That's subjugating to government...be better.
 
dad4 said:
I guess that explanation works for you.

To me, it is a ridiculous oversimplification that completely disregards the self-perpetuating nature of urban violence and weakened family structure.

It also completely ignores the point that was raised.
( Deaths in police custody does not have a racial element once you factor in violent crime rates. )

Like I said. It becomes impossible to discuss these things, but not because there is no point of disagreement.
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You're just now learning oversimplification is his middle name?
 
Grace T. said:
Will never happen because there's an equal protection problem in the California constitution. There's been talk as well as only having special needs or IEPs go in....same problem.
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Hate to be the bearer of bad news but the constitution is going out the door. Washington State was talking about sending minority kiddos back to school while those with privilege stay home. Now Seattle is talking about police layoffs based on race. And have you seen San Francisco lately. So sad.
 
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