No Soccer - Bad / No School - Catastrophic!

dad4 said:
If you can't win the argument, start talking about tiki torches. You're never wrong when you can change the topic to tiki torches.

And cakes and the N word. Dont forget to say 'bigot' or 'racist' a couple of times.
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This isn’t applicable because @EOTL IS winning the argument. But, I do get your point IF @EOTL wasn’t winning.
 
MacDre said:
This isn’t applicable because @EOTL IS winning the argument. But, I do get your point IF @EOTL wasn’t winning.
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It is around the 30th time he has squealed racism.

You agree with him. I don't. That's normal and part of why you and I have different opinions on who was winning.

No matter who was winning, how does the tiki torch tirade help? It just annoys people and shifts focus away from the real questions.
 
dad4 said:
It is around the 30th time he has squealed racism.

You agree with him. I don't. That's normal and part of why you and I have different opinions on who was winning.

No matter who was winning, how does the tiki torch tirade help? It just annoys people and shifts focus away from the real questions.
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What part do you disagree with? I thought he substantiated each allegation. Which allegation is baseless? Folks need to stop trying to minimize and trivialize what’s going on. I think many are uncomfortable with how normalized racism is and are uncomfortable with how @EOTL eloquently points out these aggressions. White Silence is Violence.
 
Justafan said:
And for those of you talking smack about teachers, here's part of my rant from the school thread.

Bingo! Studies show our kids would mostly be safe. I would send my kids to school 5 days a week, but the issue is not with the kids, it's the safety with the teachers and staff. If I'm a teacher, with no protections in place, I say F' U'. I swear no profession gets crapped on more than teachers.
We expect them to sacrifice their health (covid), spend their own $$ (supplies), work for free (covid online training), and pay them peanuts to top it off (starting salary in the mid 40's, compared to law enforcement, mid 60's). And then we call them selfish if they don't make these sacrifices "for our kids". It's a job remember.

You guys are lucky I'm not head of the teacher's union. First thing I do is take out full page ads in every major newspaper to show America how much our "First Responders for our Kids" get paid. I would put a side by side comparison of pay with other first responders. I think most people would be shocked a how little teachers are paid and how much first responders get paid. Not to mention first responders ALWAYS get their demands met when negotiating. And that LAPD Drop program is just criminal. I can go on and on, but enough my rant.
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Crap, now I'm missing a box of tissues.

I'll kidding aside, we need to provide reasonable protections for our teachers. Just like at my work, we've had to improvise to protect our employees, some of which are exposed to dozens of strangers everyday. Let's not look for excuses on how something can't be done, lets look for solutions on how it can be done.
 
Justafan said:
So we finally get to the root of all this charge school debate,$$$$. When they say it’s not about the money, it’s about the money. You don’t like public school education that’s fine. You want a private school, that’s fine. But you want me to pay for the private school, F’U’, do that on your own dime.

The bottom line is people who can’t afford private school, who want to feel exclusive, want a subsidy. I thought you guys were against handouts.

And since when have you, or that private company from Texas running the charter school, ever given a Flying F*^k about inner city education? Yeah, yeah, look, charters help the minorities also. .

And as for charter school schools in East L.A. specificallycan tell you all of their teachers are rookies, getting paid very little. Wow, what a surprise, a for profit company being cost effective and hiring the cheapest labor! And yes their scores are going to be higher because they take the best students.

So regardless of the education they are actually receiving, they are going to have better scores.
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Bingo! I'll do it on my own dime, just want my dime back.
How is it a handout if it's ones own money? We just disagree on the way our money is being spent.

Me: I don't mind spending our money on the truly helpless.
You: Don't mind spending our money on the clueless.

And there folks is the rub.
 
Ellejustus said:
Who said the N word? I missed that and that word sucks. it would be good to rid that word for good btw. No more music with N word. All kids love rap and the N word is used a lot. I think that would help. Shame on anyone who uses that word. The second word that needs to go is bastard.
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For dems it's reflexive...kinda like blinking.
 
Our other neighbor Las Virgenes USD (in LA County) is also announcing tonight remote learning only (they just told the teachers). The local paper on twitter is reporting is this might be happening because the governor is giving them all cover tomorrow shutting down all the schools in California (including charters, privates and homeschool cooperatives).
 
MacDre said:
This isn’t applicable because @EOTL IS winning the argument. But, I do get your point IF @EOTL wasn’t winning.
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Right, in your echo chamber. Kind of like, knowing public schooling falls short and Charters work much better...but call it something else due to a lack of principle...oh, and lack of stones.
 
Newsom's making an announcement about schools tomorrow at noon. I will double down he's closing schools state wide like some have mentioned. And no, I don't agree with the decision. Just relaying info I heard on the news
 
Just out of curiosity, I looked up the charter high school in our area and with the exception of a few everyone was over $70,000, but the majority were over $100k and a lot over $120k. Public schools in our area had similar compensation.
 
watfly said:
Crap, now I'm missing a box of tissues.

I'll kidding aside, we need to provide reasonable protections for our teachers. Just like at my work, we've had to improvise to protect our employees, some of which are exposed to dozens of strangers everyday. Let's not look for excuses on how something can't be done, lets look for solutions on how it can be done.
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Great sentiment, but that's not how unions, thus dems, roll.
 
gkmom said:
Newsom's making an announcement about schools tomorrow at noon. I will double down he's closing schools state wide like some have mentioned. And no, I don't agree with the decision. Just relaying info I heard on the news
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Really, you had to mention that. I couldn't live in ignorant bliss for one more day that my kids would be physically back in school in the fall as choice offered by their school districts.
 
MacDre said:
What part do you disagree with? I thought he substantiated each allegation. Which allegation is baseless? Folks need to stop trying to minimize and trivialize what’s going on. I think many are uncomfortable with how normalized racism is and are uncomfortable with how @EOTL eloquently points out these aggressions. White Silence is Violence.
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Perhaps I consider “what is going on” to be significant, but focus on different elements.

I’m not silent. I just disagree with you. I believe we have a very serious problem with urban violence, and a second serious problem with police militarization.

I do not believe the police problem can fairly be called racism, because the number of deaths in police custody mirrors the number of violent crime convictions by race. If the problem was racist police, then I would expect one ethnic group would have more deaths per police encounter than another. This is not the case.

Now, is it possible to have a civil discussion on that? So far, I’d have to say no. Someone will call someone racist, and the discussion will never happen.
 
MicPaPa said:
Great sentiment, but that's not how unions, thus dems, roll.
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Here's the rest of my rant on the school thread. How appropriate.

Desert Hound you stated we should not think of what's not possible, but think of what is possible. I've been harping on this since April, but why can't we get those 10-15 minute abbot tests at every school in America? We test ALL kids and staff daily, just like the do at the White House, military, and EVERY professional sports league, etc. You test positive, you go home and isolate. Are our kids not worth it? Harvard indicated that nationwide testing (not just schools) like this would cost 100 billion.

We've spent 6-7 trillion so far and we are about to spend another 1-3 trillion by the end of this month with another stimulus bill. 100 billion is pocket change! Also, by now, we should know everything about how covid travels in the air with and without masks. We should know, to the f'n millimeter, where to place the fans, suction fans, plexiglass, infrared, lasers, disinfectant, fuck I don't know I'm not a scientist, but you get the drift. And Grace, when I asked "where are America's F'ing studies" this is what I meant. And we should know this for airplanes, hotel lobbies, office buildings, etc. We should also have N-95 masks coming out of dispensers at every highway gas station bathroom.

The lack of imagination and vision form this administration is simply tragic, and we are all going to pay (my economic rant coming later). Arizona Unified is experimenting with fans that dispense sanitizers (I saw this yesterday), Arizona State & Berkeley are coming up with faster saliva tests, we have a guy in his garage telling us how effective masks are. https://www.12news.com/article/news...sting/75-0a512c66-8271-4cd7-9eca-1a7dce4de884, https://www.foxnews.com/us/schools-utilize-power-fans-to-combat-covid-19

This kind of stuff is the federal government's responsibility and it's a shame they didn't start this way back when.
 
watfly said:
Just out of curiosity, I looked up the charter high school in our area and with the exception of a few everyone was over $70,000, but the majority were over $100k and a lot over $120k. Public schools in our area had similar compensation.
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I was only talking of East L.A.
 
MicPaPa said:
Bingo! I'll do it on my own dime, just want my dime back.
How is it a handout if it's ones own money? We just disagree on the way our money is being spent.

Me: I don't mind spending our money on the truly helpless.
You: Don't mind spending our money on the clueless.

And there folks is the rub.
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I told you it was about the money! Well there's a lot of shit I disagree with also, but if I want something different than what's being offered, I either pay for it myself or move somewhere else where it is offered.
 
Our local paper is confirming. Las Virginese was set to reopen, rising cases be damned. State health department won't allow them to reopen. Paper says the superintendent "sounded pained" on the phone. This is all the governor which means private schools won't escape either and he's about to crack down on new home schooling for those trying to flee the public schools.
 
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