No Soccer - Bad / No School - Catastrophic!

The Outlaw said:
Financial and social consequences... you mean like my tax dollars paying for inmates and rebuilding damage caused by uneducated rioters?
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Exactly. If you’re gonna be a d**k and perpetuate inequality, you’re gonna pay for it.
 
EOTL said:
Homeschoolers asking for government subsidies. What a joke. If you want to do it yourself, do it yourself.
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Bozo, it's called return my taxes so I can choose....you know, like taxpayer funded choice...or it's my kid, my taxes, my choice! You know that, but you clowns play the selective choice game.
 
dad4 said:
So, when making soccer teams, do you segregate by ability and effort?

Or do you help out the soccer disadvantaged kids by putting them in flight 1?
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Soccer is a child’s sport played by children, with no meaningful impact as an adult for more than maybe 30 women in the entire U.S. Education is important for society, youth soccer is not. That you think youth soccer is an appropriate analogy to life and education says a lot about you.
 
EOTL said:
Soccer is a child’s sport played by children, with no meaningful impact as an adult for more than maybe 30 women in the entire U.S. Education is important for society, youth soccer is not. That you think youth soccer is an appropriate analogy to life and education says a lot about you.
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In other words, if you want to teach something minor, like soccer, you put them with a subject matter expert and group by effort and ability.

If you want to teach something important, like math or writing, you put them with a generalist and group them at random.

I agree they are dissimilar, but I think you have them backwards.
 
EOTL said:
Homeschoolers asking for government subsidies. What a joke. If you want to do it yourself, do it yourself.
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Why? they get $2800 right now, or at least they were supposed to until newsom put a stop to it knowing full well that public schools have no experience doing distance learning. It Costs 12k to educate a kid in california. Even if a parent took 6k a year it would save the government 6k. our taxes pay to educate our children. Parents shouldnt have to pay twice because of a horrible public school system.
 
EOTL said:
I love how gringos claim that black people are doing great at their black people schools. Especially when it’s based on watching a sporting event. Same argument that the Board of Education in Topeka made in the Brown case BTW. The only “difference” is that you think you’ve given the disadvantaged a little “somethin somethin” because they could go to the rich kid charter school if only there was space and they lived in the area, plus the “opportunity” to have their own charter school with their kind closer to home because your is full. Pretty clever now that you’ve gotten around free busing to get disadvantaged kids to your rich kid schools.
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See that is your ignorance again.

These schools could be set just in the whitey area. Instead they are spread out through all the neighborhoods in Phoenix. Those public schools they are leaving are also heavily minority. The difference is, when a charter school goes in there, they suddenly have a chance to get away from the poorly performing public schools in that area.

Since my kids go to the same chain of charter schools, I know they get the exact same curriculum that kids do in any other part of the city.

Your argument is I guess they should drive 15 miles or more to a more affluent area to try to get into a charter school there.

Instead the charter schools realize why make kids travel. Lets serve a need in their own neighborhoods by providing a superior education to what they are getting.

From what you are saying...if you had your way, you would deny those kids and families the opportunity for a better education.

That is lame. Education is the foundation for everything else. And yet you seem to want to deny kids the chance to have a better choice in schools.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
You know how much you are getting paid each year, right? When I taught, they spread out that salary over the whole year - including the summer. Would you prefer that or do you prefer having the "summer" money up front? Sounds like your union was better than mine.
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Things seem to be a little for flexible now. Spread it out over the year, good for people who don't know how to save (me in the beginning :)) , save on your own, or do a summer saver account. You have to be really disciplined being paid once a month and not touching what you put away for summer. It really depends on the individual.
 
met61 said:
I Wonder how many of those LAUSD folks thank an essential business cashier or store employee making not much more than minimum wage to face hundreds of people daily for the benefit of all and display the grit, heart and spine to go to work everyday for others. What a concept.
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Yes they are brave, thank goodness they are protected by a plastic shield plus their own protective masks, gloves and time after each customer to sanitize. One person at a time.
 
met61 said:
Bozo, it's called return my taxes so I can choose....you know, like taxpayer funded choice...or it's my kid, my taxes, my choice! You know that, but you clowns play the selective choice game.
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“Your” taxes paid for public school opportunity. That you choose not to utilize that benefit is your problem. Regardless, that money isn’t yours. It is the government’s. And I can assure you that my taxes and those of like minded Californians would greatly outweigh the financial power of you and your like-minded friends. I’d greatly enjoy being able to make a la carte decisions with my tax dollars. You wouldn’t have a street in front of your house, the UC or CSU school subsidy if your kids end up there, police of fire protection, etc. I’d just keep all that for myself and the overwhelming number of libs who pay for all that stuff.
 
TOSDCI said:
This is an instance of "You are getting affirmation for the viewpoint that you already have". It's like watching Fox News if you are Republican. NEA has a vested interest in disparaging charter schools. If you want actual facts, seek out the opposition's articles as well as NEA and the truth is somewhere in the middle.
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From my own experience, parents who have tried charter schools then come back and have said the academics just weren't there. They certainly have more flexibility and little accountability. That isn't for everyone.
 
dad4 said:
In other words, if you want to teach something minor, like soccer, you put them with a subject matter expert and group by effort and ability.

If you want to teach something important, like math or writing, you put them with a generalist and group them at random.

I agree they are dissimilar, but I think you have them backwards.
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Your daughter playing soccer does not have any meaningful negative impact on anyone else. Tax dollars don’t pay for your kid’s youth soccer club, nor does it take away dollars used to educate others.
 
Copa9 said:
Yes they are brave, thank goodness they are protected by a plastic shield plus their own protective masks, gloves and time after each customer to sanitize. One person at a time.
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So why not make teacher to be present in a classroom behind Plexiglas, wearing a mask or a hazmat suit, if this makes them feel safer? They don't have to be touching students or be in close contact with them.
 
dad4 said:
Maybe parents of studious kids don’t want their kid in a class with some slacker who won’t do the work?

It isn’t segregation by color. It‘s segregation by ability and effort.
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Kind of like what an adult has to put up with at work. It definitely is frustrating. But at least as an adult, the employee can be fired.
 
Eagle33 said:
So why not make teacher to be present in a classroom behind Plexiglas, wearing a mask or a hazmat suit, if this makes them feel safer? They don't have to be touching students or be in close contact with them.
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The difference is with young children they need help and yes you do need to be close to them ,they frequently don't understand the problem they are having to even verbalize it. Also, you are in a room with many students not just one at a time. Hey, behind a plastic shield one student at a time, maybe 20 minutes with that student, move them out, sanitize, next, so on and so on, that might work. Info only, in study after study, the dirtiest surface people can encounter is not a door knob, a phone, a counter, a faucet, it is desks of students.
 
dad4 said:
Charters dont want PG kids either.

Who wants to pay for an Algebra teacher for two third graders?
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Just so we are clear, Charter schools are public schools as well. The difference is you can shut down a Charter school a lot easier and fire a bad teacher a lot easier. Charter schools are required by law to take in all kids with special needs. If they lie and say that dont have space or resources they can be reported and shut down. the fact that espola posted an article that said only 8% of charter schools were shut down says a lot about the quality of charter schools. The same article said charter schools had an advantage by bringing up the average quality of charter schools because public schools cant be shut down the same way. Also note he posted that article not in support of charter schools.
 
Copa9 said:
Kind of like what an adult has to put up with at work. It definitely is frustrating. But at least as an adult, the employee can be fired.
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Adults at work are totally segregated by ability and effort. At a tech company, you can go weeks and never have a work conversation with someone who doesn’t have at least one STEM degree.
 
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