No Soccer - Bad / No School - Catastrophic!

MSK357 said:
Thats why we need charter schools who do more with less, or school voucher, money for homeschooling. School choice will help all needs.
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Charters dont want PG kids either.

Who wants to pay for an Algebra teacher for two third graders?
 
espola said:
My kids all attended Poway public schools, academically and socially excellent in spite of the fact that the district has suffered from a series of disgraceful acts by its superintendents.
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LOL! I see,"White Privilege" too boot! If you clowns didn't have double standards, you'd have no standards at all. Libs are a Hoot!

Again, let me guess..."what do you mean?" "link?"
 
dad4 said:
Maybe parents of studious kids don’t want their kid in a class with some slacker who won’t do the work?

It isn’t segregation by color. It‘s segregation by ability and effort.
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You have just identified the problem with charter schools more succinctly than I ever could. Privileged people systematically denying opportunity to disadvantaged people they’ve labeled in advance as slackers who won’t do the work when the reality is: (1) many of them will but for the lack of opportunity that they have ever had; and (2) it’s easier to not give a s**t about anyone else. Charter schools often make things worse by turning limited opportunity for those in disadvantaged groups to no opportunity. Many of the “best” systematically exclude anyone who isn’t already easy, taking the already limited funds available at the schools where they’re stuck, and leaving them surrounded by an even higher percentage of disadvantaged kids, which only exacerbates the lack of systematic opportunity for disadvantaged groups. Pointing to 10 minorities who benefited from charter schools who usually weren’t particularly disadvantaged to begin with and ignoring the many others whose situations were made worse because of it is, well, the American Way to pretend inequality isn’t the problem it is.

And yes, it is segregation by color when this happens. You call it “ability and effort”, but it’s just code for “opportunity.” The mere fact that a charter school won’t even bother with those who need help the most, or even those who just need a slight boost in that direction, is the problem, and that is very racial even if not explicitly stated in your charter school’s charter.

I get that the “American Way” is a ridiculously selfish “what is best for me right now” without regard for others, society at large, or even the long term implications for your own children, no matter how petty or undisruptive of your life. Wearing a mask is an annoyance, so our kids get no team sports or school. Supporting protection of confederate monuments that people didn’t even know existed until someone tore them down, or at least their ”lawful” removal by local governments that are often blatantly racist, results in less than civil disobedience. Wanting your kid surrounded only by the “right kind” of kids to make their lives easy now is harmful when done in a large scale as is the case here. When they’re adults, your kids get to deal with the financial and social consequences of societal decisions that are exacerbating inequality in the U.S.
 
EOTL said:
I get that the “American Way” is a ridiculously selfish “what is best for me right now” without regard for others, society at large, or even the long term implications for your own children, no matter how petty or undisruptive of your life. Wearing a mask is an annoyance, so our kids get no team sports or school.
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Most people are selfish when it comes to their kids. Even the act of having the child is inherently selfish (so no child ever asks to be born). I point out that even President Obama put his kids in fancy private schools.

The problem with the right has always been that it leans into this selfishness. The problem with the left is that it assumes its utopias will involve people acting like angels instead of the schmucks they are. Then when the schemes fail they are forced to try and build the perfect Soviet man.
 
Grace T. said:
Most people are selfish when it comes to their kids. Even the act of having the child is inherently selfish (so no child ever asks to be born). I point out that even President Obama put his kids in fancy private schools.

The problem with the right has always been that it leans into this selfishness. The problem with the left is that it assumes its utopias will involve people acting like angels instead of the schmucks they are. Then when the schemes fail they are forced to try and build the perfect Soviet man.
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Wow! Seriously @EOTL, @Grace T. just handed you your ass...probably best to prance back to the clown car and hit the road.
 
EOTL said:
You have just identified the problem with charter schools more succinctly than I ever could. Privileged people systematically denying opportunity to disadvantaged people they’ve labeled in advance as slackers who won’t do the work when the reality is: (1) many of them will but for the lack of opportunity that they have ever had; and (2) it’s easier to not give a s**t about anyone else. Charter schools often make things worse by turning limited opportunity for those in disadvantaged groups to no opportunity. Many of the “best” systematically exclude anyone who isn’t already easy, taking the already limited funds available at the schools where they’re stuck, and leaving them surrounded by an even higher percentage of disadvantaged kids, which only exacerbates the lack of systematic opportunity for disadvantaged groups. Pointing to 10 minorities who benefited from charter schools who usually weren’t particularly disadvantaged to begin with and ignoring the many others whose situations were made worse because of it is, well, the American Way to pretend inequality isn’t the problem it is.

And yes, it is segregation by color when this happens. You call it “ability and effort”, but it’s just code for “opportunity.” The mere fact that a charter school won’t even bother with those who need help the most, or even those who just need a slight boost in that direction, is the problem, and that is very racial even if not explicitly stated in your charter school’s charter.

I get that the “American Way” is a ridiculously selfish “what is best for me right now” without regard for others, society at large, or even the long term implications for your own children, no matter how petty or undisruptive of your life. Wearing a mask is an annoyance, so our kids get no team sports or school. Supporting protection of confederate monuments that people didn’t even know existed until someone tore them down, or at least their ”lawful” removal by local governments that are often blatantly racist, results in less than civil disobedience. Wanting your kid surrounded only by the “right kind” of kids to make their lives easy now is harmful when done in a large scale as is the case here. When they’re adults, your kids get to deal with the financial and social consequences of societal decisions that are exacerbating inequality in the U.S.
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So, when making soccer teams, do you segregate by ability and effort?

Or do you help out the soccer disadvantaged kids by putting them in flight 1?
 
EOTL said:
You have just identified the problem with charter schools more succinctly than I ever could. Privileged people systematically denying opportunity to disadvantaged people they’ve labeled in advance as slackers who won’t do the work when the reality is: (1) many of them will but for the lack of opportunity that they have ever had; and (2) it’s easier to not give a s**t about anyone else. Charter schools often make things worse by turning limited opportunity for those in disadvantaged groups to no opportunity. Many of the “best” systematically exclude anyone who isn’t already easy, taking the already limited funds available at the schools where they’re stuck, and leaving them surrounded by an even higher percentage of disadvantaged kids, which only exacerbates the lack of systematic opportunity for disadvantaged groups. Pointing to 10 minorities who benefited from charter schools who usually weren’t particularly disadvantaged to begin with and ignoring the many others whose situations were made worse because of it is, well, the American Way to pretend inequality isn’t the problem it is.

And yes, it is segregation by color when this happens. You call it “ability and effort”, but it’s just code for “opportunity.” The mere fact that a charter school won’t even bother with those who need help the most, or even those who just need a slight boost in that direction, is the problem, and that is very racial even if not explicitly stated in your charter school’s charter.

I get that the “American Way” is a ridiculously selfish “what is best for me right now” without regard for others, society at large, or even the long term implications for your own children, no matter how petty or undisruptive of your life. Wearing a mask is an annoyance, so our kids get no team sports or school. Supporting protection of confederate monuments that people didn’t even know existed until someone tore them down, or at least their ”lawful” removal by local governments that are often blatantly racist, results in less than civil disobedience. Wanting your kid surrounded only by the “right kind” of kids to make their lives easy now is harmful when done in a large scale as is the case here. When they’re adults, your kids get to deal with the financial and social consequences of societal decisions that are exacerbating inequality in the U.S.
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Financial and social consequences... you mean like my tax dollars paying for inmates and rebuilding damage caused by uneducated rioters?
 
EOTL said:
Homeschoolers asking for government subsidies. What a joke. If you want to do it yourself, do it yourself.
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Bozo, it's called return my taxes so I can choose....you know, like taxpayer funded choice...or it's my kid, my taxes, my choice! You know that, but you clowns play the selective choice game.
 
dad4 said:
So, when making soccer teams, do you segregate by ability and effort?

Or do you help out the soccer disadvantaged kids by putting them in flight 1?
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Soccer is a child’s sport played by children, with no meaningful impact as an adult for more than maybe 30 women in the entire U.S. Education is important for society, youth soccer is not. That you think youth soccer is an appropriate analogy to life and education says a lot about you.
 
EOTL said:
Soccer is a child’s sport played by children, with no meaningful impact as an adult for more than maybe 30 women in the entire U.S. Education is important for society, youth soccer is not. That you think youth soccer is an appropriate analogy to life and education says a lot about you.
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In other words, if you want to teach something minor, like soccer, you put them with a subject matter expert and group by effort and ability.

If you want to teach something important, like math or writing, you put them with a generalist and group them at random.

I agree they are dissimilar, but I think you have them backwards.
 
EOTL said:
Homeschoolers asking for government subsidies. What a joke. If you want to do it yourself, do it yourself.
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Why? they get $2800 right now, or at least they were supposed to until newsom put a stop to it knowing full well that public schools have no experience doing distance learning. It Costs 12k to educate a kid in california. Even if a parent took 6k a year it would save the government 6k. our taxes pay to educate our children. Parents shouldnt have to pay twice because of a horrible public school system.
 
EOTL said:
I love how gringos claim that black people are doing great at their black people schools. Especially when it’s based on watching a sporting event. Same argument that the Board of Education in Topeka made in the Brown case BTW. The only “difference” is that you think you’ve given the disadvantaged a little “somethin somethin” because they could go to the rich kid charter school if only there was space and they lived in the area, plus the “opportunity” to have their own charter school with their kind closer to home because your is full. Pretty clever now that you’ve gotten around free busing to get disadvantaged kids to your rich kid schools.
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See that is your ignorance again.

These schools could be set just in the whitey area. Instead they are spread out through all the neighborhoods in Phoenix. Those public schools they are leaving are also heavily minority. The difference is, when a charter school goes in there, they suddenly have a chance to get away from the poorly performing public schools in that area.

Since my kids go to the same chain of charter schools, I know they get the exact same curriculum that kids do in any other part of the city.

Your argument is I guess they should drive 15 miles or more to a more affluent area to try to get into a charter school there.

Instead the charter schools realize why make kids travel. Lets serve a need in their own neighborhoods by providing a superior education to what they are getting.

From what you are saying...if you had your way, you would deny those kids and families the opportunity for a better education.

That is lame. Education is the foundation for everything else. And yet you seem to want to deny kids the chance to have a better choice in schools.
 
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