Thank you for honestly responding with your full knowledge of this topic.
No Soccer - Bad / No School - Catastrophic!
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Thank you for honestly responding with your full knowledge of this topic.
MSK357
GOLD
No Problem, but dont just take my word for it, ask the overwhelming people of color in inner cities that choose charter schools over their failing zoned regular schools.
MSK357
GOLD
If you have any heart in this topic at all and not just trying to be a troll, i seriously challenge you in asking the parents and kids why they choose to go to a charter school as opposed to a local regular public school in their zone. If there is truely no difference in test scores or quality, why go through the trouble to leave and most of the time travel to a charter school? I dont think you know anyone that actually has kids in a charter school. Everyone that i know that has a kid in a charter school is very grateful they exist and are happy with their choice compared to the alternative. These are liberal families to by the way.
This is an instance of "You are getting affirmation for the viewpoint that you already have". It's like watching Fox News if you are Republican. NEA has a vested interest in disparaging charter schools. If you want actual facts, seek out the opposition's articles as well as NEA and the truth is somewhere in the middle.
Racial Isolation of Charter School Students Exacerbating Resegregation | NEA
Charter schools are among the most segregated in the nation. Experts say the justifications offered by many charter leaders are troubling and undermine the promise of equal opportunity for every student.neatoday.org
MicPaPa
GOLD
Weren't you recently posting on another thread crying about all the off topic threads and disparaging posters for partaking in other than soccer discussions? Yet here you are partaking.
I believe you truly believe this, but your past posts on their forum lead me to not believe it for myself.
I respond to, but I do not initiate, offtopic posts in soccer-related threads. In case you haven't noticed, this is not a soccer-related thread and was not intended by the original poster to be one.
Desert Hound
DA
That is funny. Because when my kids go play for their HS charter school vs others in the poorer areas, those teams are made up of mainly minorities. And those kids are getting a top notch education. They get the same curriculum my kids do.Racial Isolation of Charter School Students Exacerbating Resegregation | NEA
Charter schools are among the most segregated in the nation. Experts say the justifications offered by many charter leaders are troubling and undermine the promise of equal opportunity for every student.
That curriculum is far more challenging vs the local public schools.
These charter schools are allowing people a chance to get out of the crappy local public schools and get a real education.
Desert Hound
DA
And for LESS money.
In AZ charters receive less money per pupil and have better outcomes. That is a win win for the AZ taxpayer.
Moving from a public school to a charter was night and day for my kids.
The public school they were at for years was consistently ranked as one of the best in AZ. And yet when I reviewed what they were learning I was constantly disappointed.
In 6th grade we moved them. The very first week they had lots of homework. And not fluff. We were happy.
I recall 3 weeks later one of their friends mom was talking about school. Her kids went to one of the "best" middle schools in the area and that was were my kids were slotted to go. They didn't have any homework for the first 3 weeks. Then...the first assignment was...what my friends think I do and what I really do. She was excited.
My wife looked at each other and later said, that is exactly why our kids are no longer in the public schools.
Over the years since then I keep track of what their friends in the same grade, but in the public schools are doing vs what mine are doing.
It is night and day.
I like to say it is the closest thing to being in a private school without being in a private school.
Desert Hound
DA
Or ask why there is always a waiting list to get into these "terrible" charter schools.
MicPaPa
GOLD
Fine, then go back to the thread I referenced as a cry fest about other than soccer threads, where you were a cry along participant, and let them know you're part of the "problem" not part of the solution...or don't, and continue with your attention seeking.
I have no idea what that means.
MacDre
PREMIER
Okay, I’ve refrained from getting involved on this issue because I’m a walking contradiction. As I have mentioned earlier, I was a founding board member of KIPP Bayview Academy. I no longer support charter schools for many of the reasons that @EOTL has outlined and I support unions.
However, I have family in the inner city and rural areas throughout the USA and the public school system is failing. I think I mentioned the other day that my local public school is under federal indictment for suspending black and Latino students without cause.
For those that aren’t from the Bay Area the Bayview is comparable to Compton or South Chicago. Yet the kids in the Bayview are receiving and education comparable to the expensive Independent School education that @dad4 and I are paying for.
I’m struggling with this issue because there are problems with charter schools and public schools. This is why, I’m focusing my energy and resources on building an Independent IB school for all disenfranchised kids.
MicPaPa
GOLD
Of course not, that's your shtick.
Desert Hound
DA
So Stanford took a look at inner city charters in LA and found the following:
"A new report released today by Stanford University’s Center for Research on Education Outcomes (CREDO) found that the typical student in a Los Angeles charter school gains more learning in a year than his or her district school peer, amounting to about 50 more days of learning in reading and an additional 79 days of learning in math. “Results for Hispanic charter students in Los Angeles, especially Hispanic students in poverty, were noteworthy. The gains for Hispanic students in poverty at charters amount to 58 additional days of learning in reading and 115 more days in math compared to their district school counterparts,” said Dev Davis, Research Manager and co-author of the Los Angeles CREDO report."
MicPaPa
GOLD
So, you're building a Charter School. Well done.
This is a critical distinction. In our area the charter schools are comparable in academics to our public schools. However, the charter schools are light years ahead of the schools in the areas that many of the students come from.
One difference between the charters vs. the public schools in our area is that the charters reach more students. A great student in our area will excel in either a public or charter. Ivy League and like university (if you consider that a standard) students come out of both at about equal rates. However, a weaker student is much more likely to fall by the wayside at a public than a charter. Charters provide more support for the weaker students in general. As a matter of note, my children attend public schools and I'm a firm supporter of local public schools if your child is a good student. If my kids were weaker students they would be at a charter or a private school.
Charter schools are not the panacea for our education system. Although, they help tremendously by giving choice to those that are stuck in a shitty school system. We still need to improve our public school systems, the only way to do that is through true accountability from bottom to top. Just throwing money at schools is a proven loser.
The saddest part is that instead of raising the standards at public schools the unions want to get rid of the charters. If you can't compete lets shut them down instead (just like speech and everything else). That's not a solution it's a PC narrative.
MacDre
PREMIER
I’m not sure about the format of those schools, but in the Bayview the goal is to keep the kids at school sun up to sun down and away from their toxic home environment. Bayview kids only go home to bathe and sleep. So, if those schools format is similar to the Bayview, those gains could be better than reflected in the study.
MacDre
PREMIER
No, I built a charter school 18 years ago and currently it’s thriving. I no longer support charter schools and I’m focused on building an Independent IB school for disenfranchised youth.
Curious why. If you believe that KIPP does a bad job, I get it. But if you believe that KIPP does a good job, it‘s confusing.