No Soccer - Bad / No School - Catastrophic!

[Justafan]

You're holding onto that blue pill real hard.

Even if you were to draft people, you'd have to train them to do the job...and you need new people (you can't just reshuffle the people who are doing diabeties and UTI testing right now without killing those people). For the ingredients and supplies it means building new factories and mining supplies and labs. You are talking even throwing WWII level resources at it at least a year to get to those numbers, because we've outsourced a lot of our resource supplies and manufacturing overseas so it means starting from scratch. Remember even with WWII level commitments and with a long lead time that we had in WWII where Roosevelt knew we'd eventually have to throw down, it took us 2 years before we were really into the fight. Our biggest enemy even with Operation Warp Speed is time.

I know....I have to understand....most people are not ready to be unplugged from the matrix. I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it.

Talk about holding on to their position too hard. So you’re an expert on “ingredients and supplies” and “factories, mining supplies, and labs.” Sorry if I trust Harvard more than you. And of course you know this should have been started back in February or March right?

Well It sounds like you’re an AmeriCAN’T. Sorry but I’m an AmeriCAN. I’m so confident in my position, i.e. that most Americans at this point would be willing to voluntarily lock down for 7 days and get their life back on the 8th day, why don’t we take it to the poll?

You cited examples of Democrats not adhering to the lockdown for a day or two because they went here or there. You forget they did lock down for the other 3 1/2 months.

I was actually shocked that most of America locked down as long as we did. I predicted only 1 month before people would start defying the lockdown.

How about Abbot tests for every school in America, can we do that? Remember it’s the size of a toaster not a tank. How about sanitizing dispensing fans for every school in America, do we have enough supplies to build those?

Again, if you or anyone has a better plan, I’M ALL FOR IT. Who gives a shit who comes up with the plan. I can sincerely tell that I don’t care if it’s Trump that comes up with a plan that takes us all out of our misery. Let him take all the credit. I’ve even said Hydroxychloquine seems to be ok in the early stages, so if it works it works, let’s use it, who gives a shit if Trump promotes it.

All I hear from you is a Trump apologist. This is where personal integrity should take over.

 

[Sheriff Joe]

I didn't say that..Again, the question was would you trust the pilot, Surgeon, Financial Manager or School Bus Driver...this is the key part... if they displayed Biden's current condition?

Of course not. But even assuming Biden is driving and flying, which he is not, I would still choose Biden over Trump. With Biden we have a shot, with Trump it’s certain disaster.

Look, aside from the pandemic, what kind of parent pits one kid against another and openly roots for one? Who deliberately destroys their family unit? Is it ok just because you’re the one he’s rooting for? IF we can recover from this alone, it’s going to take a lot of time and therapy.

You guys complain because the mainstream media bans conservative viewpoints, so how does that feel? It only creates resentment. Same with Trump.

Bottom line, the negative outweighs the positive with Trump. I believe that’s a similar equation many used against Hillary.
[/QUOTE]
So you are good with higher taxes, riots, illegals and a lawless country?

 

[Copa9]

Again, the point I was making was that CNN posted their story without considering antibodies in the population and that's misleading. In a vacuum or not, the % who have antibodies matters - a lot - with or without NPI. Both examples show that. I also explicitly stated in the first post that there are other factors. I never argued otherwise. This stuff can be confusing and misleading reporting doesn't help.

Also, I figured you didn't really need all those calculations, but I wanted to see them myself. There was an added benefit. My daughter got a "virus growth" lesson today. She knows I'm crazy. She accepts it.

This is an interesting topic as even R0 is not particularly "constant". As we move into fall, it will be affected by changes in the weather, the seasonality associated with the amount of time spent indoors and the air "quality" indoors. The conditions for stability will change. The real "wildcard" is how long antibodies stay active in the body. I'm hoping it's at least 18 months.

Short of a hard shutdown in AZ, TX and FL, I'd guess they are going to need to bring the % of residents with antibodies up to near where NY state is, about 14%, before things start to stabilize.

Interesting report out about the man who donated blood to help save lives because he had covid and recovered. First two donations he had antibodies, not sure if it was his third or fourth donation,, but antibodies were virtually gone. Not good. Only three months since he recovered. Hope this isn't the norm.

 

[Copa9]

I haven’t gone through all the pages but I have family who teaches (one family member runs a very poor school, so I get the teachers who pay for crayons, pencils and other supplies themselves, but teachers still get paid well despiste that) and who also clean at these schools. I also had child in an experimental summer school program in a school district - until Newsom squashed it. The experimental class room implemented various guidelines- many which were taken from places like Iceland, swede , Japan, Singapore, Australia, Various Canadian states, WHO China and on and on. In all these countries they have posted actual data and official statements, specially stating, ZERO cases of kids transmitting to adults. Then the real issue is teachers and staff passing it to on another Adult and POSSIBLY to a child. If the teachers actually follow protocols like responsible adults - not a problem. In AZ the teacher who got sick didn’t get it from a child, but now using children safety as a political tool. The teachers/unions, not all, as I know many willing to get back (as seen in experimental classrooms as well), are stopping this - even going back 50%. The hybrid model was ready to go in OC, since it seems OC is the only county (and SD) looking at real data. News, Unions, State things such as “new research” or “new data” but you’ll notice they never source it or have it available when you ask for it. Unfortunately this virus has been political- from the beginning. Your wife is a teacher, and state income is a big factor about staying home, but has your family sat down and thought of the very good possibility of your wife being laid off if this goes on? The District leaders in many areas are not stupid and hire tons of experts to look at the science and finances. My original suggestion was for teachers to take a pay cut of 10% if you made over $100k. My kids teachers last year averaged $105k base salary- with a few reaching $150k total compensation. Teachers actually work 7.5-8 months after holiday time off. Teachers will not be teaching 100% of that time anymore - the districts know this. It opens them up for litigation. As it stands, due to knowing teachers will not accept pay cuts - the budget needs to shrink elsewhere. So no sports for sure this Fall, and possibly none for the rest of next year - they will just say it’s “safety”. Yet MLS, NBA and other sports going on in our state. Support programs and support staff gone. Security gone. Saving money on feeding children (some kids only solid meal of day), not completely gone, but most people don’t take advantage or have ability of going to pick up food - this savings. They just voted in some districts in OC to reduce the number of periods in HS from 6 to 5 and reduce the elective credits needed to graduate by 15. Hmm. So if you reduce class time and classes, do we need as many teachers teaching. Nope. Unions can’t help if School Boards and districts change curriculum or graduating guidelines - they aren’t dumb. The Unions will also make concessions, as in previous years, and sacrifice some members - these will be the very Seniored teachers who have full retirement available already. They will go after the biggest earners - district already has with those they have control over. This isn’t going in to daycare, parents who are both working, special needs programs (districts are 100% going to get sued from these parents who have IEPs as these kids educations are going to be pretty shitty), coaches losing jobs, hundred/thousands of businesses who earn income by schools being open (uniforms, equipment, cleaners, construction,etc) and on and on. If you really want to simplify it, teachers are essential. Can’t tell a Costco/Target employee he is expected to got to work for $15/hour in an uncontrollable environment and say it ok for a teacher not to work for $75-$140+/hr. I understand the health concern and fear, but believe that is more based on the media and false info rather than actual data and looking at the entire picture. In my area parents have already begun setting up classrooms at various homes, to be taught by parents with teaching credentials who are retired or at stay-at-home parents. Litigation as to how we can get back compensation for the education supplements on will in all likelihood occur. Someone will end up getting shorted. If the litigation grows to voucher topic being rehashed - could create issue for public school teachers. Add this to Blaine Amendment decision (a pretty blatant racist tactic that is implemented in CA as well) that just occurred in Montana, and public school teachers/union better start figuring out every school related decision isn’t and shouldn’t be about the paycheck

Wow! I want to work in that district. The only teachers making that kind of money have been teaching 35-40 years or more, hold at least one masters degree or Phd. Please read the reports out of Israel and what happened when schools opened up.

 

[Justafan]

Of course not. But even assuming Biden is driving and flying, which he is not, I would still choose Biden over Trump. With Biden we have a shot, with Trump it’s certain disaster.

Look, aside from the pandemic, what kind of parent pits one kid against another and openly roots for one? Who deliberately destroys their family unit? Is it ok just because you’re the one he’s rooting for? IF we can recover from this alone, it’s going to take a lot of time and therapy.

You guys complain because the mainstream media bans conservative viewpoints, so how does that feel? It only creates resentment. Same with Trump.

Bottom line, the negative outweighs the positive with Trump. I believe that’s a similar equation many used against Hillary.

So you are good with higher taxes, riots, illegals and a lawless country?
[/QUOTE]

You’re next serious response will be your first.

 

[Justafan]

I haven’t gone through all the pages but I have family who teaches (one family member runs a very poor school, so I get the teachers who pay for crayons, pencils and other supplies themselves, but teachers still get paid well despiste that) and who also clean at these schools. I also had child in an experimental summer school program in a school district - until Newsom squashed it. The experimental class room implemented various guidelines- many which were taken from places like Iceland, swede , Japan, Singapore, Australia, Various Canadian states, WHO China and on and on. In all these countries they have posted actual data and official statements, specially stating, ZERO cases of kids transmitting to adults. Then the real issue is teachers and staff passing it to on another Adult and POSSIBLY to a child. If the teachers actually follow protocols like responsible adults - not a problem. In AZ the teacher who got sick didn’t get it from a child, but now using children safety as a political tool. The teachers/unions, not all, as I know many willing to get back (as seen in experimental classrooms as well), are stopping this - even going back 50%. The hybrid model was ready to go in OC, since it seems OC is the only county (and SD) looking at real data. News, Unions, State things such as “new research” or “new data” but you’ll notice they never source it or have it available when you ask for it. Unfortunately this virus has been political- from the beginning. Your wife is a teacher, and state income is a big factor about staying home, but has your family sat down and thought of the very good possibility of your wife being laid off if this goes on? The District leaders in many areas are not stupid and hire tons of experts to look at the science and finances. My original suggestion was for teachers to take a pay cut of 10% if you made over $100k. My kids teachers last year averaged $105k base salary- with a few reaching $150k total compensation. Teachers actually work 7.5-8 months after holiday time off. Teachers will not be teaching 100% of that time anymore - the districts know this. It opens them up for litigation. As it stands, due to knowing teachers will not accept pay cuts - the budget needs to shrink elsewhere. So no sports for sure this Fall, and possibly none for the rest of next year - they will just say it’s “safety”. Yet MLS, NBA and other sports going on in our state. Support programs and support staff gone. Security gone. Saving money on feeding children (some kids only solid meal of day), not completely gone, but most people don’t take advantage or have ability of going to pick up food - this savings. They just voted in some districts in OC to reduce the number of periods in HS from 6 to 5 and reduce the elective credits needed to graduate by 15. Hmm. So if you reduce class time and classes, do we need as many teachers teaching. Nope. Unions can’t help if School Boards and districts change curriculum or graduating guidelines - they aren’t dumb. The Unions will also make concessions, as in previous years, and sacrifice some members - these will be the very Seniored teachers who have full retirement available already. They will go after the biggest earners - district already has with those they have control over. This isn’t going in to daycare, parents who are both working, special needs programs (districts are 100% going to get sued from these parents who have IEPs as these kids educations are going to be pretty shitty), coaches losing jobs, hundred/thousands of businesses who earn income by schools being open (uniforms, equipment, cleaners, construction,etc) and on and on. If you really want to simplify it, teachers are essential. Can’t tell a Costco/Target employee he is expected to got to work for $15/hour in an uncontrollable environment and say it ok for a teacher not to work for $75-$140+/hr. I understand the health concern and fear, but believe that is more based on the media and false info rather than actual data and looking at the entire picture. In my area parents have already begun setting up classrooms at various homes, to be taught by parents with teaching credentials who are retired or at stay-at-home parents. Litigation as to how we can get back compensation for the education supplements on will in all likelihood occur. Someone will end up getting shorted. If the litigation grows to voucher topic being rehashed - could create issue for public school teachers. Add this to Blaine Amendment decision (a pretty blatant racist tactic that is implemented in CA as well) that just occurred in Montana, and public school teachers/union better start figuring out every school related decision isn’t and shouldn’t be about the paycheck

What did your family member say about your plan?? When was the last time you asked ANY first responders to take a pay cut? Teachers are always expected to sacrifice. And sorry, teachers are not paid well, you’re out of your mind on that one.

Anyways, I too have family in teaching. I saw two of them yesterday and I asked what would get you back in the classroom. Testing every kid and staff every day: plexiglass, and sanitizing fans and materials. How hard is that?

Now, since we know the feds aren’t coming to the rescue I will start to put more onus on Newsome. He should start calling all the big shots in the State for donations so we can get all this testing and supplies ourselves. He probably should have started this a while ago. It will only benefit us all on the end .

 

[Not_that_Serious]

Wow! I want to work in that district. The only teachers making that kind of money have been teaching 35-40 years or more, hold at least one masters degree or Phd. Please read the reports out of Israel and what happened when schools opened up.

Go to transparent CA

Wow! I want to work in that district. The only teachers making that kind of money have been teaching 35-40 years or more, hold at least one masters degree or Phd. Please read the reports out of Israel and what happened when schools opened up.

Okay so you are ditching every other country data? In Israel their was no actual data posted to link the reopening of schools to outbreaks. Most of the reports are “possible”, “might” and more of that type of wording. That isn’t actual data, as it has been provided in other countries. The outbreak also just happened to coincide with everything else openin in society - need to stop just reading media links and dig deeper in to what else is going on. If you look at the number of deaths in Israel - it’s about 400. So claiming peril or extreme danger is pretty dishonest.
Go to transparent CA if you want to look up salaries. I think most district workers also don’t understand how their salaries are paid and compensation packages are actually part of their total pay - benefits, retirement and other insurance packages don’t magically pay for themselves. Teachers believe since they have deductions from their checks they are paying it out of base salary - which isn’t the case. Unless you late a teacher living in some remote area and small district, you are paid well. To state otherwise is also plain dishonesty and pushing the “we don’t get paid enough” narrative. Again, not like we can’t look up salaries. If you talk to honest people teaching, they may even tell you how to get pay hikes.

As far as pay cuts and implying teachers would like first responders - that is a poorly constructed argument. Actually pretty insulting to what first responders deal with. This actually shows a lot of the mentality school districts and parents have to deal with as many (you aren’t the first) to attempt to equate teachers to first responders. That is actually a union line used in an attempt to make the weak argument of not cutting pay. I believe all work is essential, but many in the teaching field believe their work should be held in a higher regard than a retial worker, grocery worker or those cleaning their classrooms. My family members cleaning these classrooms are in greater danger than than their well cleaned and pretty controlled environment - they are more first responders than a teacher is. In my org all management took furloughs so NO employee was laid off. That worked out to as much as 15% Pat for some. Our company felt we are all in this together. So we took the hit. We don’t have any subsidies to fall on. Same Can not be said with teachers as many teachers, bus drivers, cafeteria workers, school support staff, crossing guards have already been told they are being laid off. Nothing new, their is a hierarchy and established line of thinking among MOST who tow the Union line. It has worked out for most financially, who wants to rock the boat? This current situation is going to work out the same as parents are figuring out how to educate kids on their own...well unless you are poor. The people who will be screwed are those who don’t have any involvement with their districts or ability or knowledge of how this all works. Some are too busy trying to survive on reduced hours or losing their jobs. I’m sure many coaches on here know the feeling. Some of us are blessed to have some financial flexibility to ensure our children are not left out mentally in the cold. Giving up money in the short term in order to ensure survival, is only questioned by those who never have to worry about if the next pay check will ever stop coming - usually done by those who never have been responsible for the well-being of more than themselves or immediate family. The school board members I know, and the family member who runs a school, have had to lay people off - they are full aware how devastating it is to them. Unfortunately they have said they are not given much flexibility due to union/teachers not being flexible with salaries.

 

[whatithink]

Of course not. But even assuming Biden is driving and flying, which he is not, I would still choose Biden over Trump. With Biden we have a shot, with Trump it’s certain disaster.

Look, aside from the pandemic, what kind of parent pits one kid against another and openly roots for one? Who deliberately destroys their family unit? Is it ok just because you’re the one he’s rooting for? IF we can recover from this alone, it’s going to take a lot of time and therapy.

You guys complain because the mainstream media bans conservative viewpoints, so how does that feel? It only creates resentment. Same with Trump.

Bottom line, the negative outweighs the positive with Trump. I believe that’s a similar equation many used against Hillary.

So you are good with higher taxes, riots, illegals and a lawless country?
[/QUOTE]
We have riots and a lawless country now, don't we?

Obama deported more illegals than anyone before, so if Biden continues that, isn't that a good thing?

You know taxes will have to go up, right? The tax cuts under Trump were adding $1-$2T to the deficit over 10 years. We just spent TRILLIONS more we don't have. How do you think that all gets paid for? And, no, you can't cut expenditure to meet that. No company cuts costs to success. Any good, sustainable company manages costs and grows revenue.

Likely, a democratic administration will want to raise taxes. A republican one will want to cut costs. Rationally, there should be a combination of both.

Realistically, serious money could be raised by just eliminating tax loop holes and serious money saved by ending the "corporate welfare system". Obviously our "bought and paid for" politicians on both sides of the aisle will never do either if those things.

 

[watfly]

Its not false. And I am not going to debate you. But, lets just say I know and SPK know. If you need to ask or respond. Its a waste of your effort, time, and anything else. Now, if you have a background in education from a NPS, Charter and in public education, please let me know. I and SPK both have 25 years of experience for each of us.

That's a clever reply. You say its so, so there can't be any debate...got it. Although I'm more interested in the evidence not the debate. I am all ears, or eyes rather, and can be easily convinced with some actual evidence (not from teachers' unions or union apologists), I provided mine from the California Department of Education. I have no doubt that there are some charters that play fast and loose with the enrollment standards, but that's the case with anything in life, and those schools should come into compliance or lose their charter. Accountability standards should apply to both public and charter schools. What I do know is that the two charter high schools in our area are light years more integrated than our area public schools and the charter school provides a significantly better education than the public schools that many of the kids came from, although the charter education is comparable to the public schools in our area. I also know that my daughter was subject to the "lottery" to attend our local charter school, her name was selected but opted not to attend.

 

[Grace T.]

Talk about holding on to their position too hard. So you’re an expert on “ingredients and supplies” and “factories, mining supplies, and labs.” Sorry if I trust Harvard more than you. And of course you know this should have been started back in February or March right?

Sorry went to the joint. Have seen first hand what's wrong with it and the people running it. Part of our problem is that we are deferring too much to experts and people holding fancy credentials. But it's comforting if you are taking the blue pill to be told by someone from the mountain that it will be all o.k.

Well It sounds like you’re an AmeriCAN’T. Sorry but I’m an AmeriCAN. I’m so confident in my position, i.e. that most Americans at this point would be willing to voluntarily lock down for 7 days and get their life back on the 8th day, why don’t we take it to the poll?

You cited examples of Democrats not adhering to the lockdown for a day or two because they went here or there. You forget they did lock down for the other 3 1/2 months.

I'm sure if you asked everyone if you'd just lock down for 7 days and get rid of it would you support that, everyone would. The problem is that as you've conceded it would have to be far more rigorous and go above and beyond than what Spain did, which didn't. And when you started to ask people if they'd support the violent repression of BLM, the hard shut of the southern border, the suspension of the Constitution, or the forced removal of people from their homes, that's when you'd lose them. Medicare for All gets big number too until you start drilling into details. Finally, it simply not likely to work...you'd have to track down every case in 7 days, forced isolate everyone who might have been exposed, shut down the courts, and then hard shut at least the southern border in perpetuity so it doesn't start up again. It only takes one Chris Cuomo to send the house of cards tumbling down as South Korea proved with its nightclub outbreak.

All I hear from you is a Trump apologist. This is where personal integrity should take over.

Trump's made plenty of mistakes, among others:
-he didn't take the matter seriously until Tucker Carlson read him the riot act
-he then engaged in wishful thinking that it would go away
-he gave Fauci and the other experts too much deference and too much of a platform early on
-his own messaging was horrible on the subject. His oval office address was riddled with errors that led to more confusion
-he is currently ignoring the second economic crisis wave which is headed for us
-he shouldn't have held the Oklahoma rally
-even though there's not a lot of science to back it up, and even though he lacks the power for a national mask requirement (hey, he can't even get the schools to all open), he could have come out more forcefully for masks

I'm hardly a Trump apologist. Remember I knew what would happen back in January. One of the most jaw dropping moments I had was when Trump in the state of the union treated this like it was contained in China. Part of the issue is Fauci....he doesn't so much outright lie as engage in a series of half truths or willfully not telling the whole picture. I think they are both awful, but I also note most political leaders and experts around the world have been horrible.

 

[Fact]

Interesting report out about the man who donated blood to help save lives because he had covid and recovered. First two donations he had antibodies, not sure if it was his third or fourth donation,, but antibodies were virtually gone. Not good. Only three months since he recovered. Hope this isn't the norm.

Of course the mainstream crap reports on antibodies diminishing to scare everyone. Please look into the real line of defense and get back to me - T cells.

 

[Justafan]

Sorry went to the joint. Have seen first hand what's wrong with it and the people running it. Part of our problem is that we are deferring too much to experts and people holding fancy credentials. But it's comforting if you are taking the blue pill to be told by someone from the mountain that it will be all o.k.



I'm sure if you asked everyone if you'd just lock down for 7 days and get rid of it would you support that, everyone would. The problem is that as you've conceded it would have to be far more rigorous and go above and beyond than what Spain did, which didn't. And when you started to ask people if they'd support the violent repression of BLM, the hard shut of the southern border, the suspension of the Constitution, or the forced removal of people from their homes, that's when you'd lose them. Medicare for All gets big number too until you start drilling into details. Finally, it simply not likely to work...you'd have to track down every case in 7 days, forced isolate everyone who might have been exposed, shut down the courts, and then hard shut at least the southern border in perpetuity so it doesn't start up again. It only takes one Chris Cuomo to send the house of cards tumbling down as South Korea proved with its nightclub outbreak.



Trump's made plenty of mistakes, among others:
-he didn't take the matter seriously until Tucker Carlson read him the riot act
-he then engaged in wishful thinking that it would go away
-he gave Fauci and the other experts too much deference and too much of a platform early on
-his own messaging was horrible on the subject. His oval office address was riddled with errors that led to more confusion
-he is currently ignoring the second economic crisis wave which is headed for us
-he shouldn't have held the Oklahoma rally
-even though there's not a lot of science to back it up, and even though he lacks the power for a national mask requirement (hey, he can't even get the schools to all open), he could have come out more forcefully for masks

I'm hardly a Trump apologist. Remember I knew what would happen back in January. One of the most jaw dropping moments I had was when Trump in the state of the union treated this like it was contained in China. Part of the issue is Fauci....he doesn't so much outright lie as engage in a series of half truths or willfully not telling the whole picture. I think they are both awful, but I also note most political leaders and experts around the world have been horrible.

We can agree to disagree on the effectiveness of my plan. But I will never accept that we can’t figure this thing out, whoever’s plan that may be.

If I was ever in charge, I bring together the best and the brightest our nation has to offer, I tell them to check their egos and politics at the door, I lock them in a room and tell them you ain’t coming out until you figure this out.

Think big, let your imaginations run wild, and don’t worry about the cost. Only one caveat, whatever the plan is, let’s also think of it as an investment in infrastructure, and make sure we can also use it for COVID 21, 22, ....... so we don’t have to go through this crap ever again.

 

[messy]

I love Peru and Mexico. My wife is from Mexico. And the first time (out of many) going to Peru was a dream come true. Especially going to Cusco and Macchu Picchu.

Both those countries have issues...but both don't fall into anywhere close to let's say the Somalia example.

I get the Chile reference.

As the death rates jump up, DH looks like a fool.

 

[messy]

Are you clowns are aware that those shows are classified as “entertainment” and NOT “news?”

I just love that some idiot actually said “you should watch Glenn Beck,” as he discusses information. Classic.

Fact-checks | PolitiFact

PolitiFact is a fact-checking website that rates the accuracy of claims by elected officials and others on its Truth-O-Meter.

www.politifact.com

 

[Grace T.]

Here's the final order. A small crack of daylight in the door for private and charter elementary schools. Look at footnote 2. Footnote 2 allows private elementary schools and charters to apply for a waiver for in person instruction. They'll no doubt set a very high bar, the state ultimately has veto, and it does nothing to help those of us with kids in middle school, high school, or college, but perhaps some will be successful. If you have a kid in elementary private or charter school make sure your principal knows.

https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/CDPH%20Document%20Library/COVID-19/Schools%20Reopening%20Recommendations.pdf

Also the law office of Harmeet Dillon is recruiting people to file a lawsuit. Not sure if they are any good or what the basis of their claim would be.

 

[Desert Hound]

As the death rates jump up, DH looks like a fool.

What are you sniveling about now?

 

[Copa9]

Go to transparent CA

Okay so you are ditching every other country data? In Israel their was no actual data posted to link the reopening of schools to outbreaks. Most of the reports are “possible”, “might” and more of that type of wording. That isn’t actual data, as it has been provided in other countries. The outbreak also just happened to coincide with everything else openin in society - need to stop just reading media links and dig deeper in to what else is going on. If you look at the number of deaths in Israel - it’s about 400. So claiming peril or extreme danger is pretty dishonest.
Go to transparent CA if you want to look up salaries. I think most district workers also don’t understand how their salaries are paid and compensation packages are actually part of their total pay - benefits, retirement and other insurance packages don’t magically pay for themselves. Teachers believe since they have deductions from their checks they are paying it out of base salary - which isn’t the case. Unless you late a teacher living in some remote area and small district, you are paid well. To state otherwise is also plain dishonesty and pushing the “we don’t get paid enough” narrative. Again, not like we can’t look up salaries. If you talk to honest people teaching, they may even tell you how to get pay hikes.

As far as pay cuts and implying teachers would like first responders - that is a poorly constructed argument. Actually pretty insulting to what first responders deal with. This actually shows a lot of the mentality school districts and parents have to deal with as many (you aren’t the first) to attempt to equate teachers to first responders. That is actually a union line used in an attempt to make the weak argument of not cutting pay. I believe all work is essential, but many in the teaching field believe their work should be held in a higher regard than a retial worker, grocery worker or those cleaning their classrooms. My family members cleaning these classrooms are in greater danger than than their well cleaned and pretty controlled environment - they are more first responders than a teacher is. In my org all management took furloughs so NO employee was laid off. That worked out to as much as 15% Pat for some. Our company felt we are all in this together. So we took the hit. We don’t have any subsidies to fall on. Same Can not be said with teachers as many teachers, bus drivers, cafeteria workers, school support staff, crossing guards have already been told they are being laid off. Nothing new, their is a hierarchy and established line of thinking among MOST who tow the Union line. It has worked out for most financially, who wants to rock the boat? This current situation is going to work out the same as parents are figuring out how to educate kids on their own...well unless you are poor. The people who will be screwed are those who don’t have any involvement with their districts or ability or knowledge of how this all works. Some are too busy trying to survive on reduced hours or losing their jobs. I’m sure many coaches on here know the feeling. Some of us are blessed to have some financial flexibility to ensure our children are not left out mentally in the cold. Giving up money in the short term in order to ensure survival, is only questioned by those who never have to worry about if the next pay check will ever stop coming - usually done by those who never have been responsible for the well-being of more than themselves or immediate family. The school board members I know, and the family member who runs a school, have had to lay people off - they are full aware how devastating it is to them. Unfortunately they have said they are not given much flexibility due to union/teachers not being flexible with salaries.

The way you make more money is to increase your units and professional education until you hit the maximum and by the number of years you teach. I have been teaching over twenty-five years and am not even close to what you say teachers make. Oh and by the way about ten years ago we took a 10% decrease in our salaries but still had teachers pink slipped, but almost everyone of them were rehired in the fall. I have been pink slipped early in my career, I have had my school changed early in my career, I have had my grade changed several times. It costs money to change grade levels. Nobody has every compensated me for the expenses incurred when that happens but I do it gladly to provide my students with the best that I can offer. Please go to "haaretz.com " to read how almost 100 schools in Israel closed since reopening as corona cases increased. Their numbers are low but I guess Israel considers even one death, one death too many. "Schools throughout the country have closed after cases tied to students and staff members continue to climb". That is a direct quote. Yes, other things opened up, kind of like us, but the schools became transmitters of the virus. Let's hope our schools don't. I guess their government is better at testing and tracing than our incompetent leaders running our country.

 

[messy]

I saw Trump on the news tonight. “Eventually it will go away and then I will be right.”
He actually said that.
He’s actually not trying to defend anything, unlike his supporters here.
He’s gonna get slaughtered. He sounds like a total nut who has given up.

 

[messy]

What are you sniveling about now?

Just noting what an embarrassing idiot you are, after spending hours denying Covid by pointing out the absence of a death rate increase. LOL!

 

[Desert Hound]

Just noting what an embarrassing idiot you are, after spending hours denying Covid by pointing out the absence of a death rate increase. LOL!

Then you can't read.

I said what is very interesting is that new positives are not correspondending with a similar rise in deaths