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[Justafan]

Wow! Nice to know Justafan among other things wants to:

-Violently suppress BLM, anti-lockdown and any other protestors that insist on leaving their house
-Deploy the military to shut down the southern and northern borders (in this case most likely Americans looking to escape north or south and then sneak back over when this is done)
-Round up anyone that engages in private gatherings or otherwise leaves their house during this time period
-Since it's only a 1 week isolation, presumably forcibly remove any loved one, including children, that might be in an infected persons home and ship them to separate quarantine
-If anyone has a plumbing break, aircon break, or runs out of food because say their refrigerator stopped working say they're SOL
-Stop free lunch programs for the poor (because there's no one to delivery them)
-Presumably force the doctors, nurses and ambulence units working in the emergency rooms out of their homes and into the hospitals
-And presumably then isolate all the military, police and contact tracers required to keep everyone in line who might have been exposed during the 1 week
-Force the unemployed to work around the clock and relocate to wherever they need to go to do this (or pay them lawyer level wages to motivate them to take such temporary employment)
-Round up the homeless and put them in concentration camps so they can be tested in this time period
and
-suspend the Constitution and the courts to allow us to build this utopia

My God man we can't even get Americans to return their census figures and you want to track, give everyone a machine, and put them in forced lock down for a week. Why not just employ the Chinese methods....they're less fightening and totalitarian. Really scary stuff if the fear porn has gotten this bad that anyone is actually thinking this way. That blue pill is made of powerful stuff....

I think everyone is so miserable that they will do so voluntarily. We’ve locked down for 4 months, what’s 1 week. I know you were being facetious, BUT would you lock down voluntarily for 7 days if you knew that on the 8th day you can get your life back?

I’m with Desert Hound, let’s think of what’s possible, not what’s impossible. We act as if there is no solution or answers to this pandemic. We act helpless and defenseless. There are lots of answers, we’ve just haven’t been thinking big enough. That is UN-AMERICAN. You’re telling me we can’t get build and get one of those toaster sized machines to every household?

Anyways, I’m just throwing that out there as an example of a “plan.” By all means if there are better plans out there, and I’m sure there are, then I’m all for it.

The fact that we didn’t have a “plan” after we locked down for 3 months is criminal. So that’s why I say another lockdown is useless because there’s no carrot/plan at the end of the lockdown.

We’d simply reopen again, have a spike in infections, and lockdown again. And unfortunately that’s where we’re headed. With no plan, we are going to need bailout after bailout. When all is said and done, without a “plan,” this thing is going to cost us 15 trillion. With the new stimulus coming at the end of this month, were up to 10 trillion.

 

[Grace T.]

I think everyone is so miserable that they will do so voluntarily. We’ve locked down for 4 months, what’s 1 week. I know you were being facetious, BUT would you lock down voluntarily for 7 days if you knew that on the 8th day you can get your life back?

I’m with Desert Hound, let’s think of what’s possible, not what’s impossible. We act as if there is no solution or answers to this pandemic. We act helpless and defenseless. There are lots of answers, we’ve just haven’t been thinking big enough. That is UN-AMERICAN. You’re telling me we can’t get build and get one of those toaster sized machines to every household?

Anyways, I’m just throwing that out there as an example of a “plan.” By all means if there are better plans out there, and I’m sure there are, then I’m all for it.

The fact that we didn’t have a “plan” after we locked down for 3 months is criminal. So that’s why I say another lockdown is useless because there’s no carrot/plan at the end of the lockdown.

We’d simply reopen again, have a spike in infections, and lockdown again. And unfortunately that’s where we’re headed. With no plan, we are going to need bailout after bailout. When all is said and done, without a “plan,” this thing is going to cost us 15 trillion. With the new stimulus coming at the end of this month, were up to 10 trillion.

In order to protect the Constitution, I'd be one of the first to oppose your plan and stare down your tank as it rolled down the street. I'd lay down my life to preserve the nation and render my children orphans.

And if you don't use force, let me remind you of our betters who were lecturing us to voluntarily quarantine and then went off and did what they wanted to do for their own selfish purposes: Chris Cuomo (broke quarantine despite being confirmed positive to check out his vacation home), Mayor Lightfoot (got a haircut), Mayor De Blasio (went to a park outside his neighborhood and exempted BLM protests from rules because they are important and got slapped by the courts for doing so), President Obama (went golfing), D Cummings (despite being a member of Johnson's government fled north with his family to have childcare in case the worst happens), Trudeau (went to cabin in the woods with his family), Gov Whitmer (her husband tried to use his influence to get a boat out of drydock when the weekend before his wife was urging people not to go to the area), Fergueson (despite being the architect of the British lockdown, broke it to get a booty call), Dr. Faucci (was caught taking off his mask indoors when the cameras were no longer rolling). You can't get these people to cooperate despite the fact they know better.

The problem is all government plans short of yours or Chinese/Vietnamese tyranny have been failures. Excluding some island that have gotten lucky and the tyrannts no one has figured this out. What's left is you can take the blue pill and continue to delude yourself that we have any sort of real control over this, or you can take the red pill and join us in the ugly reality.

 

[Justafan]

In order to protect the Constitution, I'd be one of the first to oppose your plan and stare down your tank as it rolled down the street. I'd lay down my life to preserve the nation and render my children orphans.

And if you don't use force, let me remind you of our betters who were lecturing us to voluntarily quarantine and then went off and did what they wanted to do for their own selfish purposes: Chris Cuomo (broke quarantine despite being confirmed positive to check out his vacation home), Mayor Lightfoot (got a haircut), Mayor De Blasio (went to a park outside his neighborhood and exempted BLM protests from rules because they are important and got slapped by the courts for doing so), President Obama (went golfing), D Cummings (despite being a member of Johnson's government fled north with his family to have childcare in case the worst happens), Trudeau (went to cabin in the woods with his family), Gov Whitmer (her husband tried to use his influence to get a boat out of drydock when the weekend before his wife was urging people not to go to the area), Fergueson (despite being the architect of the British lockdown, broke it to get a booty call), Dr. Faucci (was caught taking off his mask indoors when the cameras were no longer rolling). You can't get these people to cooperate despite the fact they know better.

The problem is all government plans short of yours or Chinese/Vietnamese tyranny have been failures. Excluding some island that have gotten lucky and the tyrannts no one has figured this out. What's left is you can take the blue pill and continue to delude yourself that we have any sort of real control over this, or you can take the red pill and join us in the ugly reality.

Relax, I said voluntarily, and it was an example of a plan. I welcome any other plans. What’s your plan? Or are we just defenseless?

Anyways, how about Harvard's plan, that's the one I've been preaching for since April. https://www.vox.com/2020/4/13/21215133/coronavirus-testing-covid-19-tests-screening

Check out the last sentence, "go big or stay home."

 

[Grace T.]

Relax, I said voluntarily, and it was an example of a plan. I welcome any other plans. What’s your plan? Or are we just defenseless?

Anyways, how about Harvard's plan, that's the one I've been preaching for since April. https://www.vox.com/2020/4/13/21215133/coronavirus-testing-covid-19-tests-screening

Check out the last sentence, "go big or stay home."

As advocatus diaboli I'd say your two principle problems are you'd have to forcibly tests since there's a portion of the population that wouldn't want to do it, and the major problem is the time factor. The US is increasing its testing capacity far faster than almost any country in the world but we're now at certain breakers that stop us from getting it even with the money available including training backroom staff, ingredient and supplies, and processing capacity. All that can be built up but it would take time....by the time Operation Warp Speed is completed (which, like Neo, is the 1 thing that would actually make a difference in the struggle) the testing would be moot.

 

[Justafan]

As advocatus diaboli I'd say your two principle problems are you'd have to forcibly tests since there's a portion of the population that wouldn't want to do it, and the major problem is the time factor. The US is increasing its testing capacity far faster than almost any country in the world but we're now at certain breakers that stop us from getting it even with the money available including training backroom staff, ingredient and supplies, and processing capacity. All that can be built up but it would take time....by the time Operation Warp Speed is completed (which, like Neo, is the 1 thing that would actually make a difference in the struggle) the testing would be moot.

All you’re giving me is reasons why it CAN’T be done. Fine, let’s find a plan that CAN be done.

“The US is increasing testing capacity far faster than any other country in the world.” So what, It’s all defensive testing, i.e. you need a referral for the most part. We need offensive testing, like Harvard suggests.

“we’re at certain breakers.” I have no idea what this means.

“training backroom staff, ingredient and supplies, and processing capacity.” You use the Defense Production Act. This one is easy.

“operation warp speed.” If that’s our best plan, God help us.

 

[LASTMAN14]

False, but that's what the teachers unions would have you believe. Charters have to accept all that apply. If more apply than capacity they have to hold a random public drawing. Now EOTL and his tinfoil hat would have you believe that the enrollment is "reverse engineered" to cherry pick the ethnically and socially preferable children.

Charter Schools - CalEdFacts (CA Dept of Education)

This content is part of California Department of Education's information and media guide about education in the State of California.

www.cde.ca.gov

Its not false. And I am not going to debate you. But, lets just say I know and SPK know. If you need to ask or respond. Its a waste of your effort, time, and anything else. Now, if you have a background in education from a NPS, Charter and in public education, please let me know. I and SPK both have 25 years of experience for each of us.

 

[Grace T.]

All you’re giving me is reasons why it CAN’T be done. Fine, let’s find a plan that CAN be done.

“The US is increasing testing capacity far faster than any other country in the world.” So what, It’s all defensive testing, i.e. you need a referral for the most part. We need offensive testing, like Harvard suggests.

“we’re at certain breakers.” I have no idea what this means.

“training backroom staff, ingredient and supplies, and processing capacity.” You use the Defense Production Act. This one is easy.

“operation warp speed.” If that’s our best plan, God help us.

You're holding onto that blue pill real hard.

Even if you were to draft people, you'd have to train them to do the job...and you need new people (you can't just reshuffle the people who are doing diabeties and UTI testing right now without killing those people). For the ingredients and supplies it means building new factories and mining supplies and labs. You are talking even throwing WWII level resources at it at least a year to get to those numbers, because we've outsourced a lot of our resource supplies and manufacturing overseas so it means starting from scratch. Remember even with WWII level commitments and with a long lead time that we had in WWII where Roosevelt knew we'd eventually have to throw down, it took us 2 years before we were really into the fight. Our biggest enemy even with Operation Warp Speed is time.

I know....I have to understand....most people are not ready to be unplugged from the matrix. I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it.

 

[MicPaPa]

As I said, BIDEN will not be flying the plane, driving the bus, or operating on anybody! Everybody around him knows this. He’s a figurehead.

The difference with Trump is, HE actually thinks he can fly the plane, drive the bus, and operate on somebody. YOU follow him off a cliff, not me.

Did you give me any positives on Obama or are you not man enough? O thought we were going to be intellectually honest.

FYI, I’m not reading the “accomplishments” you listed. Some “accomplishments” may be subjective and not every piece of legislation or regulation is necessarily positive. Some may be. Obama signed a lot of stuff also, so are they all winners? Should I list every piece of legislation or regulations he signed?
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He was a good father, had a solid nuclear family.

 

[MicPaPa]

As I said, BIDEN will not be flying the plane, driving the bus, or operating on anybody! Everybody around him knows this. He’s a figurehead.

The difference with Trump is, HE actually thinks he can fly the plane, drive the bus, and operate on somebody. YOU follow him off a cliff, not me.

Did you give me any positives on Obama or are you not man enough? O thought we were going to be intellectually honest.

FYI, I’m not reading the “accomplishments” you listed. Some “accomplishments” may be subjective and not every piece of legislation or regulation is necessarily positive. Some may be. Obama signed a lot of stuff also, so are they all winners? Should I list every piece of legislation or regulations he signed?
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Sorry, forgot one...took out OBL.

 

[MicPaPa]

As I said, BIDEN will not be flying the plane, driving the bus, or operating on anybody! Everybody around him knows this. He’s a figurehead.

The difference with Trump is, HE actually thinks he can fly the plane, drive the bus, and operate on somebody. YOU follow him off a cliff, not me.

Did you give me any positives on Obama or are you not man enough? O thought we were going to be intellectually honest.

FYI, I’m not reading the “accomplishments” you listed. Some “accomplishments” may be subjective and not every piece of legislation or regulation is necessarily positive. Some may be. Obama signed a lot of stuff also, so are they all winners? Should I list every piece of legislation or regulations he signed?
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I didn't say that..Again, the question was would you trust the pilot, Surgeon, Financial Manager or School Bus Driver...this is the key part... if they displayed Biden's current condition?

 

[Sheriff Joe]

Wow! Nice to know Justafan among other things wants to:

-Violently suppress BLM, anti-lockdown and any other protestors that insist on leaving their house
-Deploy the military to shut down the southern and northern borders (in this case most likely Americans looking to escape north or south and then sneak back over when this is done)
-Round up anyone that engages in private gatherings or otherwise leaves their house during this time period
-Since it's only a 1 week isolation, presumably forcibly remove any loved one, including children, that might be in an infected persons home and ship them to separate quarantine
-If anyone has a plumbing break, aircon break, or runs out of food because say their refrigerator stopped working say they're SOL
-Stop free lunch programs for the poor (because there's no one to delivery them)
-Presumably force the doctors, nurses and ambulence units working in the emergency rooms out of their homes and into the hospitals
-And presumably then isolate all the military, police and contact tracers required to keep everyone in line who might have been exposed during the 1 week
-Force the unemployed to work around the clock and relocate to wherever they need to go to do this (or pay them lawyer level wages to motivate them to take such temporary employment)
-Round up the homeless and put them in concentration camps so they can be tested in this time period
and
-suspend the Constitution and the courts to allow us to build this utopia

My God man we can't even get Americans to return their census figures and you want to track, give everyone a machine, and put them in forced lock down for a week. Why not just employ the Chinese methods....they're less fightening and totalitarian. Really scary stuff if the fear porn has gotten this bad that anyone is actually thinking this way. That blue pill is made of powerful stuff....

These liberals are an emotional bunch.

 

[Sheriff Joe]

You know how Outlaw can tell that the Black football player couldn’t have possibly scored a 1200 on his SAT’s, I can tell by simply looking at the people at a Trump rally! How bout them apples?

Welcome to the club.

 

[Ellejustus]

Its not false. And I am not going to debate you. But, lets just say I know and SPK know. If you need to ask or respond. Its a waste of your effort, time, and anything else. Now, if you have a background in education from a NPS, Charter and in public education, please let me know. I and SPK both have 25 years of experience for each of us.

Welcome back. Your funny Lastman.

 

[paytoplay]

In order to protect the Constitution, I'd be one of the first to oppose your plan and stare down your tank as it rolled down the street. I'd lay down my life to preserve the nation and render my children orphans.

And if you don't use force, let me remind you of our betters who were lecturing us to voluntarily quarantine and then went off and did what they wanted to do for their own selfish purposes: Chris Cuomo (broke quarantine despite being confirmed positive to check out his vacation home), Mayor Lightfoot (got a haircut), Mayor De Blasio (went to a park outside his neighborhood and exempted BLM protests from rules because they are important and got slapped by the courts for doing so), President Obama (went golfing), D Cummings (despite being a member of Johnson's government fled north with his family to have childcare in case the worst happens), Trudeau (went to cabin in the woods with his family), Gov Whitmer (her husband tried to use his influence to get a boat out of drydock when the weekend before his wife was urging people not to go to the area), Fergueson (despite being the architect of the British lockdown, broke it to get a booty call), Dr. Faucci (was caught taking off his mask indoors when the cameras were no longer rolling). You can't get these people to cooperate despite the fact they know better.

The problem is all government plans short of yours or Chinese/Vietnamese tyranny have been failures. Excluding some island that have gotten lucky and the tyrannts no one has figured this out. What's left is you can take the blue pill and continue to delude yourself that we have any sort of real control over this, or you can take the red pill and join us in the ugly reality.

Obama’s fault. Yep

 

[Grace T.]

Obama’s fault. Yep

Never said it was his fault and there is a con on the list. It’s just these people couldn’t do it despite a) knowing better and b) lecturing everyone. Short of overwhelming force how then do you get the regular guy to cooperate?

 

[Desert Hound]

Sorry you didn’t get the gist of what I was saying. I’m saying that even though Somalia, Syria, ..... are considered shithole countries, it doesn’t mean all Somalis, Syrians .... are themselves shitholes. That is what Trump implied and meant. It also doesn’t mean the “cultures” of Somalia, Syria, are shitholes.

So the question to you is do you think all Somalis are shitholes and do you consider their “culture” a shitole culture?

Well ask yourself what system of government has the culture of Somalia brought forth?

How does their culture treat women, gays, other religions, etc?

We all know the answers to the above.

 

[whatithink]

Well ask yourself what system of government has the culture of Somalia brought forth?

How does their culture treat women, gays, other religions, etc?

We all know the answers to the above.

Is Somalia meant to have developed a system of government in the last 60 years? That's basically how long they have been independent. Is Somalia a country historically or a geographic construct of the conquerors? Sharia law anywhere is obviously for shit. The funny thing is, IMO, the treatment of women, gays and other religions by extreme Muslims is close aligned with the same by extreme Christians. I digress though.

Do shithole countries generally correlate to ex colonies in the main? Did those ex-colonial masters leave those countries as beacons of hope and examples of the prosperity that their "masters" imbued on them ... or did those ex-colonial masters divide and conquer locally, strip them of their wealth, treat them like crap etc. and so on. Did those countries ever exist prior as actual countries?

I read somewhere once that Ghana was the only ex-British empire country that did not have a civil war when the British left.

This is obviously a completely different subject, and an extremely complex one.

Somalia is certainly a "shithole". Wars, rebellions, civil wars does not a stable country make.

Another example given was Syria - one could make the point that Syria was a stable country prior to the rebellion ... albeit an authoritarian dictatorship propped up by the Soviets etc. Civil wars though tend to fuck things up and make "stable" countries into shitholes for a long period of time.

 

[Justafan]

As I said, BIDEN will not be flying the plane, driving the bus, or operating on anybody! Everybody around him knows this. He’s a figurehead.

The difference with Trump is, HE actually thinks he can fly the plane, drive the bus, and operate on somebody. YOU follow him off a cliff, not me.

Did you give me any positives on Obama or are you not man enough? O thought we were going to be intellectually honest.

FYI, I’m not reading the “accomplishments” you listed. Some “accomplishments” may be subjective and not every piece of legislation or regulation is necessarily positive. Some may be. Obama signed a lot of stuff also, so are they all winners? Should I list every piece of legislation or regulations he signed?

I didn't say that..Again, the question was would you trust the pilot, Surgeon, Financial Manager or School Bus Driver...this is the key part... if they displayed Biden's current condition?
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Of course not. But even assuming Biden is driving and flying, which he is not, I would still choose Biden over Trump. With Biden we have a shot, with Trump it’s certain disaster.

Look, aside from the pandemic, what kind of parent pits one kid against another and openly roots for one? Who deliberately destroys their family unit? Is it ok just because you’re the one he’s rooting for? IF we can recover from this alone, it’s going to take a lot of time and therapy.

You guys complain because the mainstream media bans conservative viewpoints, so how does that feel? It only creates resentment. Same with Trump.

Bottom line, the negative outweighs the positive with Trump. I believe that’s a similar equation many used against Hillary.

 

[Justafan]

Well ask yourself what system of government has the culture of Somalia brought forth?

How does their culture treat women, gays, other religions, etc?

We all know the answers to the above.

First of all I don’t equate culture with type of government. Neither do most people. You’re trying so hard to be right and not concede anything that yoube put yourself in a hole.

By your definition, just about every country on the planet is a shithole.

 

[Not_that_Serious]

I'd say you've over simplified a complex issue with many factors.

To address your point, I'd say a family's household income and means would be a main factor. Using your daughters cohort example; would you say your household income and means allows you more quality family time? Also, do you see those using before & after school care as a necessity or bad parenting?

To incorporate one of my points in case you missed it - sure, it would be great if all parents could be paid by their tax dollars to not work and stay home on end for quality family time.

I haven’t gone through all the pages but I have family who teaches (one family member runs a very poor school, so I get the teachers who pay for crayons, pencils and other supplies themselves, but teachers still get paid well despiste that) and who also clean at these schools. I also had child in an experimental summer school program in a school district - until Newsom squashed it. The experimental class room implemented various guidelines- many which were taken from places like Iceland, swede , Japan, Singapore, Australia, Various Canadian states, WHO China and on and on. In all these countries they have posted actual data and official statements, specially stating, ZERO cases of kids transmitting to adults. Then the real issue is teachers and staff passing it to on another Adult and POSSIBLY to a child. If the teachers actually follow protocols like responsible adults - not a problem. In AZ the teacher who got sick didn’t get it from a child, but now using children safety as a political tool. The teachers/unions, not all, as I know many willing to get back (as seen in experimental classrooms as well), are stopping this - even going back 50%. The hybrid model was ready to go in OC, since it seems OC is the only county (and SD) looking at real data. News, Unions, State things such as “new research” or “new data” but you’ll notice they never source it or have it available when you ask for it. Unfortunately this virus has been political- from the beginning. Your wife is a teacher, and state income is a big factor about staying home, but has your family sat down and thought of the very good possibility of your wife being laid off if this goes on? The District leaders in many areas are not stupid and hire tons of experts to look at the science and finances. My original suggestion was for teachers to take a pay cut of 10% if you made over $100k. My kids teachers last year averaged $105k base salary- with a few reaching $150k total compensation. Teachers actually work 7.5-8 months after holiday time off. Teachers will not be teaching 100% of that time anymore - the districts know this. It opens them up for litigation. As it stands, due to knowing teachers will not accept pay cuts - the budget needs to shrink elsewhere. So no sports for sure this Fall, and possibly none for the rest of next year - they will just say it’s “safety”. Yet MLS, NBA and other sports going on in our state. Support programs and support staff gone. Security gone. Saving money on feeding children (some kids only solid meal of day), not completely gone, but most people don’t take advantage or have ability of going to pick up food - this savings. They just voted in some districts in OC to reduce the number of periods in HS from 6 to 5 and reduce the elective credits needed to graduate by 15. Hmm. So if you reduce class time and classes, do we need as many teachers teaching. Nope. Unions can’t help if School Boards and districts change curriculum or graduating guidelines - they aren’t dumb. The Unions will also make concessions, as in previous years, and sacrifice some members - these will be the very Seniored teachers who have full retirement available already. They will go after the biggest earners - district already has with those they have control over. This isn’t going in to daycare, parents who are both working, special needs programs (districts are 100% going to get sued from these parents who have IEPs as these kids educations are going to be pretty shitty), coaches losing jobs, hundred/thousands of businesses who earn income by schools being open (uniforms, equipment, cleaners, construction,etc) and on and on. If you really want to simplify it, teachers are essential. Can’t tell a Costco/Target employee he is expected to got to work for $15/hour in an uncontrollable environment and say it ok for a teacher not to work for $75-$140+/hr. I understand the health concern and fear, but believe that is more based on the media and false info rather than actual data and looking at the entire picture. In my area parents have already begun setting up classrooms at various homes, to be taught by parents with teaching credentials who are retired or at stay-at-home parents. Litigation as to how we can get back compensation for the education supplements on will in all likelihood occur. Someone will end up getting shorted. If the litigation grows to voucher topic being rehashed - could create issue for public school teachers. Add this to Blaine Amendment decision (a pretty blatant racist tactic that is implemented in CA as well) that just occurred in Montana, and public school teachers/union better start figuring out every school related decision isn’t and shouldn’t be about the paycheck