No Soccer - Bad / No School - Catastrophic!

Here's the final order. A small crack of daylight in the door for private and charter elementary schools. Look at footnote 2. Footnote 2 allows private elementary schools and charters to apply for a waiver for in person instruction. They'll no doubt set a very high bar, the state ultimately has veto, and it does nothing to help those of us with kids in middle school, high school, or college, but perhaps some will be successful. If you have a kid in elementary private or charter school make sure your principal knows.


Also the law office of Harmeet Dillon is recruiting people to file a lawsuit. Not sure if they are any good or what the basis of their claim would be.
 
Go to transparent CA

Okay so you are ditching every other country data? In Israel their was no actual data posted to link the reopening of schools to outbreaks. Most of the reports are “possible”, “might” and more of that type of wording. That isn’t actual data, as it has been provided in other countries. The outbreak also just happened to coincide with everything else openin in society - need to stop just reading media links and dig deeper in to what else is going on. If you look at the number of deaths in Israel - it’s about 400. So claiming peril or extreme danger is pretty dishonest.
Go to transparent CA if you want to look up salaries. I think most district workers also don’t understand how their salaries are paid and compensation packages are actually part of their total pay - benefits, retirement and other insurance packages don’t magically pay for themselves. Teachers believe since they have deductions from their checks they are paying it out of base salary - which isn’t the case. Unless you late a teacher living in some remote area and small district, you are paid well. To state otherwise is also plain dishonesty and pushing the “we don’t get paid enough” narrative. Again, not like we can’t look up salaries. If you talk to honest people teaching, they may even tell you how to get pay hikes.

As far as pay cuts and implying teachers would like first responders - that is a poorly constructed argument. Actually pretty insulting to what first responders deal with. This actually shows a lot of the mentality school districts and parents have to deal with as many (you aren’t the first) to attempt to equate teachers to first responders. That is actually a union line used in an attempt to make the weak argument of not cutting pay. I believe all work is essential, but many in the teaching field believe their work should be held in a higher regard than a retial worker, grocery worker or those cleaning their classrooms. My family members cleaning these classrooms are in greater danger than than their well cleaned and pretty controlled environment - they are more first responders than a teacher is. In my org all management took furloughs so NO employee was laid off. That worked out to as much as 15% Pat for some. Our company felt we are all in this together. So we took the hit. We don’t have any subsidies to fall on. Same Can not be said with teachers as many teachers, bus drivers, cafeteria workers, school support staff, crossing guards have already been told they are being laid off. Nothing new, their is a hierarchy and established line of thinking among MOST who tow the Union line. It has worked out for most financially, who wants to rock the boat? This current situation is going to work out the same as parents are figuring out how to educate kids on their own...well unless you are poor. The people who will be screwed are those who don’t have any involvement with their districts or ability or knowledge of how this all works. Some are too busy trying to survive on reduced hours or losing their jobs. I’m sure many coaches on here know the feeling. Some of us are blessed to have some financial flexibility to ensure our children are not left out mentally in the cold. Giving up money in the short term in order to ensure survival, is only questioned by those who never have to worry about if the next pay check will ever stop coming - usually done by those who never have been responsible for the well-being of more than themselves or immediate family. The school board members I know, and the family member who runs a school, have had to lay people off - they are full aware how devastating it is to them. Unfortunately they have said they are not given much flexibility due to union/teachers not being flexible with salaries.
The way you make more money is to increase your units and professional education until you hit the maximum and by the number of years you teach. I have been teaching over twenty-five years and am not even close to what you say teachers make. Oh and by the way about ten years ago we took a 10% decrease in our salaries but still had teachers pink slipped, but almost everyone of them were rehired in the fall. I have been pink slipped early in my career, I have had my school changed early in my career, I have had my grade changed several times. It costs money to change grade levels. Nobody has every compensated me for the expenses incurred when that happens but I do it gladly to provide my students with the best that I can offer. Please go to "haaretz.com " to read how almost 100 schools in Israel closed since reopening as corona cases increased. Their numbers are low but I guess Israel considers even one death, one death too many. "Schools throughout the country have closed after cases tied to students and staff members continue to climb". That is a direct quote. Yes, other things opened up, kind of like us, but the schools became transmitters of the virus. Let's hope our schools don't. I guess their government is better at testing and tracing than our incompetent leaders running our country.
 
I saw Trump on the news tonight. “Eventually it will go away and then I will be right.”
He actually said that.
He’s actually not trying to defend anything, unlike his supporters here.
He’s gonna get slaughtered. He sounds like a total nut who has given up.
 
Just noting what an embarrassing idiot you are, after spending hours denying Covid by pointing out the absence of a death rate increase. LOL!
Then you can't read.

I said what is very interesting is that new positives are not correspondending with a similar rise in deaths
 
Then you can't read.

I said what is very interesting is that new positives are not correspondending with a similar rise in deaths
Of course as anyone with a brain knows, more people get sick and then later, more people die. That is exactly what is happening now.
Of course, as we also know, illness in those younger and healthier, i. e. a demographic that wasn’t getting it before, is less likely to result in death. Pretty basic shit, player.
But you want to show how smart you are with your bizarro “debates.”
 
So this weekend they reopened Knotts Berry Farm for a food festival and shopping (masks required but you gotta take them off to eat), but our kids still can't do socially distanced sports practice or go to school. Also Downtown Disney is open and has been recording pretty good sized crowds. Even they reopen Disneyland even on a limited basis like this, you'll know very clearly where the governor's priorities are.
 
Of course as anyone with a brain knows, more people get sick and then later, more people die. That is exactly what is happening now.
Of course, as we also know, illness in those younger and healthier, i. e. a demographic that wasn’t getting it before, is less likely to result in death. Pretty basic shit, player.
But you want to show how smart you are with your bizarro “debates.”
I am right idiot.

People like you keep talking positive cases. Guess what? Those are not translating into a huge spike of deaths.

That is good news as we deal with the virus.

If there were a corresponding rise in deaths, the media would be talking deaths. They are not.

We know based on the stats, the vast vast majority of people have rather little risk.
 
Then you can't read.

I said what is very interesting is that new positives are not correspondending with a similar rise in deaths
One month ago you were telling us that the high case rate was just an artifact of more testing.

On the positive side, it looks like new cases are starting to drop in AZ. Hope it continues.
 
So this weekend they reopened Knotts Berry Farm for a food festival and shopping (masks required but you gotta take them off to eat), but our kids still can't do socially distanced sports practice or go to school. Also Downtown Disney is open and has been recording pretty good sized crowds. Even they reopen Disneyland even on a limited basis like this, you'll know very clearly where the governor's priorities are.
Well the state needs that tax revenue to pay for the teachers sitting at home.

The virus only hangs out around schools, gyms, bbqs and the beach. Knotts Berry and Disney are safer. The Rona doesn't do amusement parks and large crowds at those venue.

The science is settled.
 
One month ago you were telling us that the high case rate was just an artifact of more testing.

On the positive side, it looks like new cases are starting to drop in AZ. Hope it continues.
I did say part of it is due to more testing.

But I also said if you open up, you are going to see more cases.

Look at the lockdown success story in Spain. Right? They are opening up and starting to see a jump in cases again.

My main argument has been we know who is at risk and most people are not. We also do not know if/when/how effective a vaccine is. We cannot live like this for another year. Lets get back to work.
 
Well the state needs that tax revenue to pay for the teachers sitting at home.

The virus only hangs out around schools, gyms, bbqs and the beach. Knotts Berry and Disney are safer. The Rona doesn't do amusement parks and large crowds at those venue.

The science is settled.
You really should drive to Cali. Drive Pacific Coast Highway from San Clemente to HB Pier brah!!! You would think their is no big scare that folks will die and the youth are all over the places. All the little shops are open. No kids under 18 has died because of Corona or has died of something else and tested positive. That is huge news and should be applauded.
 
I am right idiot.

People like you keep talking positive cases. Guess what? Those are not translating into a huge spike of deaths.

That is good news as we deal with the virus.

If there were a corresponding rise in deaths, the media would be talking deaths. They are not.

We know based on the stats, the vast vast majority of people have rather little risk.
Do yourself a favor...be quiet about the deaths for a couple of weeks, so you don't look like an idiot come first week of August.
Although I've noticed you people never care how wrong you always are.
 
I will do my own research with the stupidest method possible...I’ll use Glenn Beck as a source.
You are a f’ing Moran. Show me where I said that I use Glenn Beck as my source. Maybe the FACT that you cannot read is the reason for your stupidity?
 
You are a f’ing Moran. Show me where I said that I use Glenn Beck as my source. Maybe the FACT that you cannot read is the reason for your stupidity?

You wrote this crock and he’s wrong all the time. Nice try...

“You should watch Glenn Beck. While I don’t agree with all his preaching, he provides all the sources for his show so you can do your own fact checking.”
 
One month ago you were telling us that the high case rate was just an artifact of more testing.

On the positive side, it looks like new cases are starting to drop in AZ. Hope it continues.
Hospitalizations appear to have leveled off as well which tends to lag even more than cases.
 
So this weekend they reopened Knotts Berry Farm for a food festival and shopping (masks required but you gotta take them off to eat), but our kids still can't do socially distanced sports practice or go to school. Also Downtown Disney is open and has been recording pretty good sized crowds. Even they reopen Disneyland even on a limited basis like this, you'll know very clearly where the governor's priorities are.
I'd do most things during Covid with proper precautions, but even I might have to draw the line at going to an amusement park. Those places are giant petri dishes even without a pandemic.
 
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