New Research on Covid Transmission

Making the best of it....

Both my son and my daughter have completed summer college courses online, worked jobs, and trainied or exercising 4x a week since about May consistently with the same group of different friends. Daughter works in food service 4x a week and in contact /w the general public.

Besides being bummed about some festivals or music events they couldn't go to and maybe a hair or nail place here or there being closed they seem pretty happy in general.

One of the best things is they found there own ways to be happy: Son has been training four days a week even though is team just got back.

Different stuff from the sand, futsal outdoors, to setting up pitches with the portables they bring along. 1.5-2hrs each session and they run it/travel to different spots, they haven't seem to miss a beat I don't know but with school starting have to be later now.

Really no complaints about missing a tournament or anything and there had king of the courts type friendly or other fun comps they do like points for passing or line scoring.
 
Justafan said:
Don't let the door hit you in the ass!
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That sounded like my old boss that ran everyone over to Pacific Bell YP. After almost having no sales reps, they called me up to recruit top sales people to become advertising consultant. I turned the company around by getting in the trenches and knocking doors with the reps. The other asshole stayed in the office all day and barked out orders. I'm not like that. Anyway, we hired outside firm to teach us that losing people like they were was not healthy and most likely a deeper issue. We found the boss dude was doing other bad things. He got fired and all was better and many of the other reps that left came back. The grass is not always greener either and the reps just wanted to be treated with respect. This guy would make reps wear a suit in the IE, no matter how hot it was. He came from NY and said all pros wear a tie. I was respectful because he was boss man but I always gave it straight to him behind close doors. he told me to shut up and be grateful he was my boss. I said ok, good luck.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
I see a lot of the same people at Whole Foods, Costco and Total Wine - 95% of the shopping I do. I always feel better when they have plastic shields between the customer and the cashier. These stores have them - along with the mask requirement. In the best of times, cashiers have to put up with a lot. These days, I always try to make sure I thank them for being there.
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Every day heroes. They should be recognized...
 
Justafan said:
Here's the difference dumbass. When patrons come into a grocery store they are masked up, they move around and don't stay in one place for more than 2-3 minutes, and certainly not directly in front of a grocery store worker. So even if they are covid positive, the likelihood they will transmit to someone else is low. In a classroom, you'll have 30 students confined in a classroom for 50 minutes, probably all facing in one direction. And this will happen 6 times a day, 5 days a week.

Here, re-read this article to freshen up. https://www.erinbromage.com/post/the-risks-know-them-avoid-them

And remember, the most important thing teachers want is testing! https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/l...o-reopening-schools/ar-BB178hPd?ocid=msedgdhp

Your sense of smell is faulty, maybe you have covid!
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Um.. kids can be masked up... some schools here are requiring faceshields... dumbass. That is what I am saying. It can be done and probably a lot cheaper than the online only they are paying for. I get it.. exposure x time. So airlines.. trains, virtually any office.. filled with these types oh and .. what? infection rates are going down.. it cant be.. compensating measures can be effective.

Put a shield in front of the teachers desk just like in the stores.. what does that cost? You can even have the teacher check temps on the way in and boot those with a fever. It can totally be done. So many businesses have successfully adapted schools can too. And you are saying the 500 or so random adults the cashier sees are LESS risk than the maybe 20 kids that are NOT random...

Oh and your post.. Erin Bromage is a veterinarian.. but nice blog. If my neighbors cat gets covid Ill subscribe.
 
tjinaz said:
Um.. kids can be masked up... some schools here are requiring faceshields... dumbass. That is what I am saying. It can be done and probably a lot cheaper than the online only they are paying for

Put a shield in front of the teachers desk just like in the stores.. what does that cost? You can even have the teacher check temps on the way in and boot those with a fever. It can totally be done. So many businesses have successfully adapted schools can too. And you are saying the 500 or so random adults the cashier sees are LESS risk than the maybe 20 kids that are NOT random...

Oh and your post.. Erin Bromage is a veterinarian.. but nice blog. If my neighbors cat gets covid Ill subscribe.
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Here’s a bit of her bio... did she leave out the vet part?

Iam a Comparative Immunologist and Professor of Biology (specializing in Immunology) at the University of Massachusetts Dartmouth. I balance Teaching, Research and Public Service (that is, when we are allowed in our labs).
 
messy said:
Here’s a bit of her bio... did she leave out the vet part?

Iam a Comparative Immunologist and Professor of Biology (specializing in Immunology) at the University of Massachusetts Dartmouth. I balance Teaching, Research and Public Service (that is, when we are allowed in our labs).
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and here is the part you left out.

. Bromage graduated from the School of Veterinary and Biomedical Sciences James Cook University, Australia where his research focused on the epidemiology of, and immunity to, infectious disease in animals. His Post-Doctoral training was at the College of William and Mary, Virginia Institute of Marine Science in the Comparative Immunology Laboratory of late Dr. Stephen Kaattari.

Last I heard people were not on the curriculum at either the school of veterinary nor institute of marine science.


Here is the link from the NOT veterinarians at the CDC saying open the schools.

www.cdc.gov

Communities, Schools, Workplaces, & Events

Cleaning and Disinfecting: Everyday steps, when someone is sick, and considerations for employers.
www.cdc.gov www.cdc.gov
 
Found this article interesting related to risk of death with underlining conditions not transmission but still:

"COVID-19, Los Angeles County's chief medical officer said Thursday high blood pressure and diabetes were the most common underlying ailments in coronavirus patients who have died.


Roughly 92 percent of people who have died in the county from COVID-19 had some type of underlying health condition. In addition to hypertension and diabetes, other common conditions included cardiovascular disease, pulmonary disease, chronic renal disease, obesity, asthma and liver disease. Gunzenhauser noted that some people who died from the virus had more than one underlying condition."

patch.com

Top Pre-Existing Conditions For LA Coronavirus Deaths Identified

Top Pre-Existing Conditions For LA Coronavirus... - Redondo Beach, CA - The most common underlying ailments in coronavirus deaths in Los Angeles County are high blood pressure and diabetes, officials said.
patch.com patch.com

Real research or just statistics?
 
tjinaz said:
Um.. kids can be masked up... some schools here are requiring faceshields... dumbass. That is what I am saying. It can be done and probably a lot cheaper than the online only they are paying for. I get it.. exposure x time. So airlines.. trains, virtually any office.. filled with these types oh and .. what? infection rates are going down.. it cant be.. compensating measures can be effective.

Put a shield in front of the teachers desk just like in the stores.. what does that cost? You can even have the teacher check temps on the way in and boot those with a fever. It can totally be done. So many businesses have successfully adapted schools can too. And you are saying the 500 or so random adults the cashier sees are LESS risk than the maybe 20 kids that are NOT random...

Oh and your post.. Erin Bromage is a veterinarian.. but nice blog. If my neighbors cat gets covid Ill subscribe.
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You said it yourself dumbass, exposure x time x (ventilation) is the important factor. So yes, dumbass 500 people who only spend 1 minute in front of a grocery clerk who is protected by a shield IS LESS RISK than 20-30 kids inside a classroom for 50 minutes DUMBASS!!

And your right, we can protect our teachers with everything you said AND everyday testing. I’ve been saying that for 2 months. So what DUMBFUCK hasn’t been smart enough to get all these protections to teachers so all our kids can physically go back to school. You and I agree, it’s so fucken easy, it’s criminal that it hasn’t been done.

And guess what, Erin Bromage is the one who analyzed the studies and concludes that it’s exposure x time x ventilation/circulation. AND that is partly the point, WHY THE FUCK do we have to rely on people doing side gigs after work or doing experiments in their garage to relay vital information to us.

Everybody here has become a wannabe scientist or statistician trying to figure this shit out and that’s the problem, we have nobody who’s taken control and laid down the hammer on all of this shit. Where does the buck stop? We are what our record says we are!
 
lafalafa said:
Found this article interesting related to risk of death with underlining conditions not transmission but still:

"COVID-19, Los Angeles County's chief medical officer said Thursday high blood pressure and diabetes were the most common underlying ailments in coronavirus patients who have died.


Roughly 92 percent of people who have died in the county from COVID-19 had some type of underlying health condition. In addition to hypertension and diabetes, other common conditions included cardiovascular disease, pulmonary disease, chronic renal disease, obesity, asthma and liver disease. Gunzenhauser noted that some people who died from the virus had more than one underlying condition."

patch.com

Top Pre-Existing Conditions For LA Coronavirus Deaths Identified

Top Pre-Existing Conditions For LA Coronavirus... - Redondo Beach, CA - The most common underlying ailments in coronavirus deaths in Los Angeles County are high blood pressure and diabetes, officials said.
patch.com patch.com

Real research or just statistics?
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Sort of real.

92% had some underlying condition.

The catch is, those underlying conditions are extremely common among older people.

Among those over 70, you might find that 80 or 85% of all people have at least one underlying condition.

It makes the 92% number far less informative.
 
dad4 said:
Sort of real.

92% had some underlying condition.

The catch is, those underlying conditions are extremely common among older people.

Among those over 70, you might find that 80 or 85% of all people have at least one underlying condition.

It makes the 92% number far less informative.
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Lack of context is my most common complaint about reporting. The question that needs to be answered when making any point with data is, "What is the baseline?"
 
Justafan said:
Testing my man, testing. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/l...o-reopening-schools/ar-BB178hPd?ocid=msedgdhp
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Yep, testing, I get it and don't disagree. Again, bureaucrats will mumble and stumble their way to inaction, paralyzed by analysis and listening to ridiculous requests from unions that demonstrate their complete lack of interest in becoming part of the solution. Have fun in California getting anything done until post election and beyond. It's a sad state of affairs in CA and the trend is accelerating exponentially. Literally and figuratively burning down.
 
Desert Hound said:
Real. We know that from CDC stats and the stats produced by other countries.

We know who is at risk. Let's stop pretending the average person is at risk.

Time for school.

Play ball !!
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Plus all the motor cycle DOA's and all the stroke victims that tested positive at hospitals when they arrive dead or brain dead. DH, can you check on the #1 cause of death last year from Jan til August 31 2019 for those over 75? Thanks-
 
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