New Research on Covid Transmission

[lafalafa]

Sort of real.

92% had some underlying condition.

The catch is, those underlying conditions are extremely common among older people.

Among those over 70, you might find that 80 or 85% of all people have at least one underlying condition.

It makes the 92% number far less informative.

Hypertension yes but the other conditions? None of this runs in my family and our 93yr old Grammy doesn't have any of those others, neither did my dad or mom.

Kids besides asthma they don't have normally have those underlying conditions do they?

I have no medical background although transmission and death are different risks classifing youth soccer as medium risk instead of low seems misguided to me and it's hard to find the stats or justification why that is?

 

[Justafan]

Yep, testing, I get it and don't disagree. Again, bureaucrats will mumble and stumble their way to inaction, paralyzed by analysis and listening to ridiculous requests from unions that demonstrate their complete lack of interest in becoming part of the solution. Have fun in California getting anything done until post election and beyond. It's a sad state of affairs in CA and the trend is accelerating exponentially. Literally and figuratively burning down.

“bureaucrats will mumble and stumble.”

Take this “excuse” out of the hands of the local “bureaucrats.” If the feds had provided all the point of care rapid tests and all ppe, then the bureaucrats have no excuse.

“ridiculous requests from unions that demonstrate their complete lack of interest. . .”

Intellectually dishonest my friend, you’re arguing “M&M’s in the dressing room.” Two sentences in a 10 page demand letter, when the rest was ALL about safety. And you’ve heard it straight from the Superintendent, all they want is testing.

One thing I will say where California got it wrong is if you see the Feds aren’t coming to the rescue then you should take it upon yourself to try and fix it. I would have gotten on the phone and hit up all the Cali billionaires and asked them to pony up some $$$ so we can buy all the testing and ppe we need for all our schools.

“CA is exponentially burning down”.

Doomsday alarmist?

 

[dad4]

Hypertension yes but the other conditions? None of this runs in my family and our 93yr old Grammy doesn't have any of those others, neither did my dad or mom.

Kids besides asthma they don't have normally have those underlying conditions do they?

I have no medical background although transmission and death are different risks classifing youth soccer as medium risk instead of low seems misguided to me and it's hard to find the stats or justification why that is?

Cant tell you why youth soccer got medium high risk. May depend on how much bumblebee ball you are imagining.

They are counting how many people have at least one of: diabetes, hypertension, heart conditions, cancer, obesity, asthma, and so on.

So, even if all you have is hypertension, you are counted on the underlying condition side of things. That's the 92%. And most of the elderly in this country.

The 8% are the ones with absolutely nothing wrong. No heart trouble, no high blood pressure, no weight problem, no asthma, nothing. If that's your family, hooray for your good genes and healthy living.

 

[watfly]

Sort of real.

92% had some underlying condition.

The catch is, those underlying conditions are extremely common among older people.

Among those over 70, you might find that 80 or 85% of all people have at least one underlying condition.

It makes the 92% number far less informative.

Not just some underlying condition, according to the CDC an average of 2.6 underlying conditions or contributing causes of death.

COVID-19 Provisional Counts - Weekly Updates by Select Demographic and Geographic Characteristics

Tabulated data on provisional COVID-19 deaths by age, sex, race and Hispanic origin, and comorbidities. Also includes an index of state-level and county-level mortality data available for download.

www.cdc.gov

"Comorbidities
Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death."

LA County results and CDC results seem very consistent. 6-8% of total deaths are reported as Covid only deaths.

 

[Justafan]

Teachers are run by unions and you know who unions hate.
Get a grip.

SJ I know you’re a little salty after losing the primary and heading into irrelevancy, but take it out of the union’s hands. It’s very easy to call their bluff in the event they are bluffing. That is completely in YOUR control. It’s always been in your control.

BTW, we had a good night last night SJ!

 

[happy9]

“bureaucrats will mumble and stumble.”

Take this “excuse” out of the hands of the local “bureaucrats.” If the feds had provided all the point of care rapid tests and all ppe, then the bureaucrats have no excuse.

“ridiculous requests from unions that demonstrate their complete lack of interest. . .”

Intellectually dishonest my friend, you’re arguing “M&M’s in the dressing room.” Two sentences in a 10 page demand letter, when the rest was ALL about safety. And you’ve heard it straight from the Superintendent, all they want is testing.

One thing I will say where California got it wrong is if you see the Feds aren’t coming to the rescue then you should take it upon yourself to try and fix it. I would have gotten on the phone and hit up all the Cali billionaires and asked them to pony up some $$$ so we can buy all the testing and ppe we need for all our schools.

“CA is exponentially burning down”.

Doomsday alarmist?

Finger point all you want, it's AUG,. bureacrats exists federally as well. That's the problem will bureacrats, the finger is always pointed away from them. I could care less what side of the aisle you sit on, someone take responsibility. It's obvious you'e planted yourself firmly on one side of the aisle. It's AUG, not March, April, May, June, July - but august. Time to pony up some accountability and stop waiting to be saved - you will be waiting for quite some time. Check out your private and charter schools, they are not waiting for anyone, they have a things to do, kids to teach, teachers to pay. They are moving it along.

And I said CA is "literally and figuratively burning down", not "exponentially burning down" I'm not being an alarmist, just look around you, figure out what kind of trajectory the state is headed. - decide for yourself. Hopefully in 6-7 months CA will still be a great place to visit - I do really like it.

I wish you the best.

 

[Ellejustus]

SJ I know you’re a little salty after losing the primary and heading into irrelevancy, but take it out of the union’s hands. It’s very easy to call their bluff in the event they are bluffing. That is completely in YOUR control. It’s always been in your control.

BTW, we had a good night last night SJ!

Noting like having the Light on your side bro. Congratulations, you found some light. Just remember bro, some can illuminate the light and trick people. That's what I'm watching out for. Let's see what the other side says they have on their side. Oh joy, I cant wait until November 4th. I told you back in Feb what was going to happen. Choose love, not hate. Love is on both sides and so is hate. Be very very very careful what you choose.

 

[Justafan]

Finger point all you want, it's AUG,. bureacrats exists federally as well. That's the problem will bureacrats, the finger is always pointed away from them. I could care less what side of the aisle you sit on, someone take responsibility. It's obvious you'e planted yourself firmly on one side of the aisle. It's AUG, not March, April, May, June, July - but august. Time to pony up some accountability and stop waiting to be saved - you will be waiting for quite some time. Check out your private and charter schools, they are not waiting for anyone, they have a things to do, kids to teach, teachers to pay. They are moving it along.

And I said CA is "literally and figuratively burning down", not "exponentially burning down" I'm not being an alarmist, just look around you, figure out what kind of trajectory the state is headed. - decide for yourself. Hopefully in 6-7 months CA will still be a great place to visit - I do really like it.

I wish you the best.

"someone take responsibility" exactly! It's F'n August, you're right! Unbeleivable isn't it? Who calls the shot at your house? I know my wife and I call the shots in mine, and we are responsible for ALL of the tough decisions we make. You are finger pointing at everybody but the parent in charge. You don't have the balls to call out the person who is supposed to be leading this crap. That you can't do that is so F'n weak and disappointing its pathetic.

"the trend is accelerating exponentially. Literally and figuratively burning down." Yeah, I call this doomsday alarmist Bull Shit. Who's the scaredy cat??

 

[gotothebushes]

Don't let the door hit you in the ass!

Man that's so wrong of you to say! lol

 

[Kicker4Life]

Just take a cruise thru Venice, Downtown, Sherman Oaks and check out the condition the city is in, it is scary

 

[EOTL]

The issue is people are using emotion vs looking at the data. A lot on this board refuse to look at the data.

Data: 180,000 dead so far and still tracking about 400,000 over 12 months.

Not Data: Literally every word from Dr. Aldous’s whiny op-ed commentary, whoever the f**k she is. Zero. Zippo. Zilch. All emotion.

I wonder where she got the “people are sayin’” garbage rhetorical technique from?

 

[messy]

Yep, testing, I get it and don't disagree. Again, bureaucrats will mumble and stumble their way to inaction, paralyzed by analysis and listening to ridiculous requests from unions that demonstrate their complete lack of interest in becoming part of the solution. Have fun in California getting anything done until post election and beyond. It's a sad state of affairs in CA and the trend is accelerating exponentially. Literally and figuratively burning down.

That's funny. California has fires every year. This year is no different. And as for "figuratively" burning down, what does that mean? The testing issue is entirely a national issue...anybody knows how the USA tackles disease and epidemics...at the national level.

 

[EOTL]

Happy said "It's like watching a train wreck - and if it goes on for a length of time, the impact is going to very sad to see.

Charter is on fire and Private schools are turning away folks. I know a big money guy who never makes mistakes with his money and he's going to be starting a new kind of school. Were meeting tomorrow for cocktails. I might invest in this. I promised not to share but you would want your kid in this program from the sounds of it.....

This sounds like a great opportunity. Is your friend a Nigerian prince by chance?

 

[happy9]

"someone take responsibility" exactly! It's F'n August, you're right! Unbeleivable isn't it? Who calls the shot at your house? I know my wife and I call the shots in mine, and we are responsible for ALL of the tough decisions we make. You are finger pointing at everybody but the parent in charge. You don't have the balls to call out the person who is supposed to be leading this crap. That you can't do that is so F'n weak and disappointing its pathetic.

"the trend is accelerating exponentially. Literally and figuratively burning down." Yeah, I call this doomsday alarmist Bull Shit. Who's the scaredy cat??

Dude, you crack me up but I'll play along.

Quite the silly comparison and how it's even pertinent to this discussion is beyond me - but have at it. Not having balls to call someone out has nothing to do with anything and again gets nothing done. Sounds like you are comfortable with bureaucracy. In my house (to use your comparison, which is still silly by the way), we get stuff done - wife, kids, dog, leopard geckos, the whole shebang. No reason to waste time bitching and moaning about how the bad actors are keeping us from doing what we need to do.

I don't know where you think my balls went, looked down and they were there. Who is this person you want me to call out? If you think I am a fan of the federal government in my life, you are sorely mistaken. To further politicize something that has been so overly politicized is beyond me. Leave it up to people like you to pump your fist in anger and waste energy on the blame game (goes for both sides by the way).


And by the way, certainly not scared and it's silly to bring it up. It's called observation, opinion, and choice - gotta love the ol constitution. Don't worry, I'll still come visit, CA has great weather most of the year and is a fantastic vacation destination. What I am scared of is ideology spreading eastward. If you call me a scaredy cat in that regard, then we are in agreement.

 

[happy9]

That's funny. California has fires every year. This year is no different. And as for "figuratively" burning down, what does that mean? The testing issue is entirely a national issue...anybody knows how the USA tackles disease and epidemics...at the national level.

You are right, testing is a national issue, but there are other issues that can be handled, planned at the local level.

 

[Kicker4Life]

Data: 180,000 dead so far and still tracking about 400,000 over 12 months.

Not Data: Literally every word from Dr. Aldous’s whiny op-ed commentary, whoever the f**k she is. Zero. Zippo. Zilch. All emotion.

I wonder where she got the “people are sayin’” garbage rhetorical technique from?

Grim statistic but From a Macro level it equals about 0.001% of the population IF we hit the 400k mark you speak of. Which is still below Cancer and Heart Disease.

My point isn’t that C19 is fake or that we shouldn’t take precautions, it is simply perspective.

 

[Ellejustus]

This sounds like a great opportunity. Is your friend a Nigerian prince by chance?

No, but my wife's grandma got an email from someone claiming to have inherited millions from Nigeria. The hang up was the guy needed someone from the USA and their bank account info to get their % of the loot. She called me for advice and I told her it was all one big hoax. It was a close one. He's a black American with some money and he's super super smart. Does not jump into anything without a 99% chance of success. All that means ETOL, he doesnt piss his money away. I'll let you know how it goes

 

[espola]

Yep, testing, I get it and don't disagree. Again, bureaucrats will mumble and stumble their way to inaction, paralyzed by analysis and listening to ridiculous requests from unions that demonstrate their complete lack of interest in becoming part of the solution. Have fun in California getting anything done until post election and beyond. It's a sad state of affairs in CA and the trend is accelerating exponentially. Literally and figuratively burning down.

What triggered that rant?

 

[EOTL]

Grim statistic but From a Macro level it equals about 0.001% of the population IF we hit the 400k mark you speak of. Which is still below Cancer and Heart Disease.

My point isn’t that C19 is fake or that we shouldn’t take precautions, it is simply perspective.

Grim statistic, but whatevs. What’s 400k more dead people, even when it’s preventable? It’s the price they must pay so I can go to a bar and live vicariously through my daughter.

 

[Ellejustus]