New Research on Covid Transmission

Glitterhater said:
The only thing that bothers me about in person learning is that inevitably, someone is going to test positive-then guess what? School shuts down again, rinse, repeat. All the open close, open close, is so disruptive to their learning. I guess this is where you hope the schools have their stuff together so this is seamless. I don't know what the answer is anymore.
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Said it before and Ill say it again.....

If they can protect a cashier in a supermarket checkout line that sees hundreds of random people everyday within a 6ft radius and they are OK ... how can they not protect teachers seeing the exact same smaller number of low risk kids? I smell politics in this one. Or.. maybe when the teachers explain again how important they are and why they need raises we give that money to the true heros in the grocery store.
 
watfly said:
I may be getting old, but I remember back in the day when we used to say "flatten the curve" and we worried about people dying in hospital hallways because doctors had to decide who lived and died since we weren't going to have enough ventilators. Now the young bucks these days say "we need to vaccinate everyone!" and they have to wait for lab results from comprehensive peer reviewed studies instead of actual real world results, which us old timers thought were sufficient. I miss the good ole days.
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Excellent work
 
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watfly said:
I may be getting old, but I remember back in the day when we used to say "flatten the curve" and we worried about people dying in hospital hallways because doctors had to decide who lived and died since we weren't going to have enough ventilators. Now the young bucks these days say "we need to vaccinate everyone!" and they have to wait for lab results from comprehensive peer reviewed studies instead of actual real world results, which us old timers thought were sufficient. I miss the good ole days.
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Just wait, it’s such an easy readable their response. The vaccine will be released and their next position will be: vaccine is unsafe it was made too quick; vaccine is unreliable; vaccine is not effective enough; they will continue to move the goal posts. As parents we can’t allow that to happen to our kids it’s garbage. Long term mental health is the biggest issue for children.
 
tjinaz said:
Said it before and Ill say it again.....

If they can protect a cashier in a supermarket checkout line that sees hundreds of random people everyday within a 6ft radius and they are OK ... how can they not protect teachers seeing the exact same smaller number of low risk kids? I smell politics in this one. Or.. maybe when the teachers explain again how important they are and why they need raises we give that money to the true heros in the grocery store.
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They can’t protect the cashiers. The cashiers are getting sick.

The working class neighborhoods in NYC had far higher antibody rates than the wealthier areas. One part of Queens had over 50% get it. Most of the people there were essential workers- like cashiers.
 
dad4 said:
They can’t protect the cashiers. The cashiers are getting sick.

The working class neighborhoods in NYC had far higher antibody rates than the wealthier areas. One part of Queens had over 50% get it. Most of the people there were essential workers- like cashiers.
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Just NYC is a very small sample size and a dubious one at that. NYC is the very worst environment for this and is atypical. There have to be over 500,000 cashiers of various types throughout the country and I don't see them wanting to close the stores as they are all sick.
 
Glitterhater said:
The only thing that bothers me about in person learning is that inevitably, someone is going to test positive-then guess what? School shuts down again, rinse, repeat. All the open close, open close, is so disruptive to their learning. I guess this is where you hope the schools have their stuff together so this is seamless. I don't know what the answer is anymore.
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I thought the exact same thing today. It's all one big tease and playing yo yo with the kids emotion. That's why it will take a vaccine to come out and play in Cali. It is what it is. My friend in the AC biz is super busy. However, he has no one to help him with his little kids. I wonder what kind of power a AC Guy Union Group would have right now with the heat at 106? They could ask and demand many things on us and get what they want most likely because they would have us by the balls like other unions. Poor AC guy has no choice but to risk his life to put food on the table. Gnarly!!!
 
Glitterhater said:
The only thing that bothers me about in person learning is that inevitably, someone is going to test positive-then guess what? School shuts down again, rinse, repeat. All the open close, open close, is so disruptive to their learning. I guess this is where you hope the schools have their stuff together so this is seamless. I don't know what the answer is anymore.
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It will happen and there is no perfect answer. but I believe it worth trying. I know some districts are putting kids in "cohorts" so you stay with the same group of kids. One of the kids in your cohort group gets sick and your group has to go back to online learning for 2 weeks. My son's district was offering parents the choice of 100% in person, 100% online or 50/50, before the Governor shut down all in person learning.
 
watfly said:
It will happen and there is no perfect answer. but I believe it worth trying. I know some districts are putting kids in "cohorts" so you stay with the same group of kids. One of the kids in your cohort group gets sick and your group has to go back to online learning for 2 weeks. My son's district was offering parents the choice of 100% in person, 100% online or 50/50, before the Governor shut it down all in person learning.
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Cohorts would be great. My older kids school axed cohorts because they couldn’t bear the thought of no electives. ( First world problems. )
 
dad4 said:
They can’t protect the cashiers. The cashiers are getting sick.

The working class neighborhoods in NYC had far higher antibody rates than the wealthier areas. One part of Queens had over 50% get it. Most of the people there were essential workers- like cashiers.
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Was that very early before any real protocols were in place or are cashiers still getting sick in NYC? Working-class neighborhoods are typically more crowded and my guess is it is a greater burden to get their necessities delivered and avoid crowds at the stores. Also, I am thinking in Queens there are a lot of mom and pop shops that can't easily set up plastic shields, enforce masks, etc. Just a guess though. My impression is that in our area, cashiers appear to be safe, but that's simply based on me not hearing otherwise as I scan through the articles.
 
tjinaz said:
Said it before and Ill say it again.....

If they can protect a cashier in a supermarket checkout line that sees hundreds of random people everyday within a 6ft radius and they are OK ... how can they not protect teachers seeing the exact same smaller number of low risk kids? I smell politics in this one. Or.. maybe when the teachers explain again how important they are and why they need raises we give that money to the true heros in the grocery store.
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The complete inability of school districts to motivate themselves to intellectually work through the problem and solve it is mind blowing. Motivated (and well funded) school districts up and down the east coast are implementing plans (that will be uncomfortable to fund and execute) that address the key issues of bringing kids back to school in safe and efficient manner. Social distancing, reducing daily child density, cleaning, testing. All hard things to do but they are willing to undertake it. Private schools are doing the same thing.

Meanwhile, here in the SW and West, all we get is "look at data" and "we can't and shouldn't". Frustrating to say the least and almost criminal if you think of the impact that will be achieved (yes, I use the word achieved) on kids who do not have the luxury of good WIFI, parent availability, and access to technology.

There , that is my rant, now back to soccer.
 
happy9 said:
The complete inability of school districts to motivate themselves to intellectually work through the problem and solve it is mind blowing. Motivated (and well funded) school districts up and down the east coast are implementing plans (that will be uncomfortable to fund and execute) that address the key issues of bringing kids back to school in safe and efficient manner. Social distancing, reducing daily child density, cleaning, testing. All hard things to do but they are willing to undertake it. Private schools are doing the same thing.

Meanwhile, here in the SW and West, all we get is "look at data" and "we can't and shouldn't". Frustrating to say the least and almost criminal if you think of the impact that will be achieved (yes, I use the word achieved) on kids who do not have the luxury of good WIFI, parent availability, and access to technology.

There , that is my rant, now back to soccer.
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From an infectious disease doctor

www.sandiegouniontribune.com

Keeping kids home is harming children and society, especially communities of color

Gov. Gavin Newsom’s recent decision to close school for California children rejects the science we know about COVID-19, ignores the advice of medical experts and disproportionately harms our …
www.sandiegouniontribune.com www.sandiegouniontribune.com

"When I speak with my medical colleagues about school closure, we marvel at how it seems like rational thinking has gone out the window on this topic. People talk about protecting children, yet they embrace a policy that produces documented harm to children in exchange for benefits which are theoretical or minimal at best. "
 
watfly said:
"When I speak with my medical colleagues about school closure, we marvel at how it seems like rational thinking has gone out the window on this topic. People talk about protecting children, yet they embrace a policy that produces documented harm to children in exchange for benefits which are theoretical or minimal at best. "
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The issue is people are using emotion vs looking at the data. A lot on this board refuse to look at the data.
 
watfly said:
From an infectious disease doctor

www.sandiegouniontribune.com

Keeping kids home is harming children and society, especially communities of color

Gov. Gavin Newsom’s recent decision to close school for California children rejects the science we know about COVID-19, ignores the advice of medical experts and disproportionately harms our …
www.sandiegouniontribune.com www.sandiegouniontribune.com

"When I speak with my medical colleagues about school closure, we marvel at how it seems like rational thinking has gone out the window on this topic. People talk about protecting children, yet they embrace a policy that produces documented harm to children in exchange for benefits which are theoretical or minimal at best. "
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I'm sure Espy will say she'a Witch Doctor. Scary times were about to enter folks. I know who the winner will be but getting to the finish line will be rough and some wont make it. They wont like the change that is coming.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
Was that very early before any real protocols were in place or are cashiers still getting sick in NYC? Working-class neighborhoods are typically more crowded and my guess is it is a greater burden to get their necessities delivered and avoid crowds at the stores. Also, I am thinking in Queens there are a lot of mom and pop shops that can't easily set up plastic shields, enforce masks, etc. Just a guess though. My impression is that in our area, cashiers appear to be safe, but that's simply based on me not hearing otherwise as I scan through the articles.
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I don’t know if cashiers are still getting sick in NYC. I do know that essential workers have higher rates of covid than those who are lucky enough to work from home.

The store near me seems to have new cashiers every month. I don’t know if that is because people quit or because they get sick, or both.
 
watfly said:
From an infectious disease doctor

www.sandiegouniontribune.com

Keeping kids home is harming children and society, especially communities of color

Gov. Gavin Newsom’s recent decision to close school for California children rejects the science we know about COVID-19, ignores the advice of medical experts and disproportionately harms our …
www.sandiegouniontribune.com www.sandiegouniontribune.com

"When I speak with my medical colleagues about school closure, we marvel at how it seems like rational thinking has gone out the window on this topic. People talk about protecting children, yet they embrace a policy that produces documented harm to children in exchange for benefits which are theoretical or minimal at best. "
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Pretty soon ( like today, tomorrow, etc) school districts are going to see a substantial enough exodus that it''s going to impact funding. Private schools/charters are figuring it out and parents are taking notice. I'm convinced the level of incompetence and complacency (basically the definition of a bureaucracy) in many school districts are close to being insurmountable barriers. They aren't motivated by anything (except maybe loss of $$). It's too bad, plenty of good teachers in the public school system. They will look elsewhere and will find a place as private schools/charters shed teachers who aren't willing to assume "risk" or they are in need of more teachers in order to effectively teach in this new environment.

It's like watching a train wreck - and if it goes on for a length of time, the impact is going to very sad to see.
 
happy9 said:
Pretty soon ( like today, tomorrow, etc) school districts are going to see a substantial enough exodus that it''s going to impact funding. Private schools/charters are figuring it out and parents are taking notice. I'm convinced the level of incompetence and complacency (basically the definition of a bureaucracy) in many school districts are close to being insurmountable barriers. They aren't motivated by anything (except maybe loss of $$). It's too bad, plenty of good teachers in the public school system. They will look elsewhere and will find a place as private schools/charters shed teachers who aren't willing to assume "risk" or they are in need of more teachers in order to effectively teach in this new environment.

It's like watching a train wreck - and if it goes on for a length of time, the impact is going to very sad to see.
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My daughters OC private HS has seen a huge increase in applications and are now turning students away.
 
happy9 said:
Pretty soon ( like today, tomorrow, etc) school districts are going to see a substantial enough exodus that it''s going to impact funding. Private schools/charters are figuring it out and parents are taking notice. I'm convinced the level of incompetence and complacency (basically the definition of a bureaucracy) in many school districts are close to being insurmountable barriers. They aren't motivated by anything (except maybe loss of $$). It's too bad, plenty of good teachers in the public school system. They will look elsewhere and will find a place as private schools/charters shed teachers who aren't willing to assume "risk" or they are in need of more teachers in order to effectively teach in this new environment.

It's like watching a train wreck - and if it goes on for a length of time, the impact is going to very sad to see.
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Yep, the students' education is no longer the priority of California public schools.
 
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