Let Them Play CA

TOSDCI said:
Why would they want to send their kids to school when public school's solution is to send kids back to a classroom with a proctor in the room and the teacher on Zoom from home? That is not the definition of in person learning. You might as well stay home if your still learning via a Zoom meeting.
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Not true. School is more than the 3 R’s. Kids can grow socially and in non-academic ways under this setup. It also helps to solve the childcare, depression, and social isolation problems some are having.
 
TOSDCI said:
Why would they want to send their kids to school when public school's solution is to send kids back to a classroom with a proctor in the room and the teacher on Zoom from home? That is not the definition of in person learning. You might as well stay home if your still learning via a Zoom meeting.
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That was effectively the situation for my son's twice a week hybrid option, which we ended up opting out of. It was like an in class prison. He got much more socialization in the neighborhood.
 
MacDre said:
All valid points. But, I don’t think more development is the solution. Over the past 20-30 years I have seen lots of development in cities like Fremont, Newark, San Ramon, Pleasanton, Danville, Hercules, and the Peninsula but those areas are still unaffordable to the 23 y/o couple you referenced. I also participated in meetings with developers wanting to shut down the Ashby flea market and develop high rises in the parking lot of the Ashby Bart of which none would be affordable for that 23 y/o couple.

I don’t know what the solution is, but it’s not development in the Bay Area.
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You think you’ve seen lots of residential development? Go down to Cupertino and look at the parking lots for Apple. Then go look at the parking lots for what you thought were big residential developments. It will be about 1/100 as large. Those developments that you thought were big? They are small compared to the need, which is why we need a real solution.

You may not know what your solution is, but I do.

Your solution is that young poor families will live 3 to an apartment. All six parents will work to pay rent, no one will be around to guide the kids, and you’ll have gang problems. Because that is what will happen.
 
watfly said:
A "Make America Great Again" hat or a Biden/Harris 2020 shirt. I draw the line at wearing Lululemon though...not happening.
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OH, btw, I got off the phone with a friend who owns four homes. He rents three out and one has not paid a dime since March. I was thinking of your mother's story and I asked him what he was doing. I was blown away but his kindness. The guy who rents lost his job and his job is non essential. My friend told him not to worry because God will sort this all out once everything is laid bare before all to see. Tell your mom not to worry :)
 
watfly said:
A "Make America Great Again" hat or a Biden/Harris 2020 shirt. I draw the line at wearing Lululemon though...not happening.
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Hey at this point if it meant full resumption to soccer normal I'd:

1. I'd build an alter to @dad4, proclaim his math wisdom, and swear that masks are better than vaccines.
2. I'd go over to espola's house and give him a big kiss on the forehead
3. Go over to EOTL's (or whatever name he's calling himself these days) house and have an hour long conversation about social justice where all I tell him is how wise and brilliant he is.
4. Dedicate an entire day to crush, and tell him to tell me any and all stories he feels like.
5. Tell Husker Du that his band actually is the greatest ever (or alternatively that game from the 70s....his pick)
6. Lobby Dominic to have Sheriff Joe to come back to the forums
7. Promise to never make another COVID post on any soccer or other public forum ever again.
 
dad4 said:
No, I would not agree.

Part of CA’s mistake is 40 years of overly restrictive housing policy. We created these ghettos with 3 families per apartment, and then are surprised when those areas prove vulnerable to disease.

Now, could we have prevented it by copying TX or FL policies towards residential construction? Absolutely.

That doesn’t mean I think it would be smart to live in our ghettos, ditch the masks, and open up restaurants. That would make it even worse. We’d just copy the TX/FL mistake, without ever fixing the CA mistake.
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I believe India has a much higher density of population in big cities then CA and their covid numbers as reported are much better . I assume they have a big reporting problem but I’m not sure . Can anyone please educate me .
 
dawson said:
I believe India has a much higher density of population in big cities then CA and their covid numbers as reported are much better . I assume they have a big reporting problem but I’m not sure . Can anyone please educate me .
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The HDQ they are using may also have something to do with it, as well as the weather and as you note their testing has been horrible.
 
dad4 said:
You think you’ve seen lots of residential development? Go down to Cupertino and look at the parking lots for Apple. Then go look at the parking lots for what you thought were big residential developments. It will be about 1/100 as large. Those developments that you thought were big? They are small compared to the need, which is why we need a real solution.

You may not know what your solution is, but I do.

Your solution is that young poor families will live 3 to an apartment. All six parents will work to pay rent, no one will be around to guide the kids, and you’ll have gang problems. Because that is what will happen.
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Maybe some of those tech companies should move some of their operations to N. Bay cities like Vallejo. Lot’s of available housing and great infrastructure but the city has been mismanaged since the departure of the Navy. Vallejo needs jobs and young folks need housing-so attracting tech and bio-tech companies to Vallejo is more palatable for me than more urban sprawl.
 
dawson said:
I believe India has a much higher density of population in big cities then CA and their covid numbers as reported are much better . I assume they have a big reporting problem but I’m not sure . Can anyone please educate me .
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This is true. I have a “back office” in Hyderabad in South India (silicone valley of India) and usually go there annually.
Funny thing is everytime I return the plane is full of engineers coming to work in the silicone valley. So if the math teachers in the Bay Area would do a better job of education local kids we wouldn’t have to import so many engineers and that will help with the housing crisis. Hey @dad4 what’s up with the math folks dropping the ball?
 
dad4 said:
Fair. It would be best to look at per capita death rates within age bands. I don’t have that, but we can look at deaths per million residents over 65.

CA: 1051/0.143 = 7350 deaths per mil elderly.
AZ: 1836/0.175 = 10474 deaths per mil elderly.

Closer, but AZ is still not looking so great. Still 42% above CA.
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If you felt so inclined to break down the numbers:

COVID-19 Cases by Age Group

www.cdph.ca.gov www.cdph.ca.gov

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www.azdhs.gov www.azdhs.gov
 
dad4 said:
Works great for people like you and me.

How well does it work for a 23 year old couple trying to find a place to live? Or should they just cease to exist because rich people on the coast find them inconvenient?

You’re better than that, Dre. People need homes. Real homes. If you effectively ban construction because it is sprawl, what happens to the people who were going to live there?

And don’t tell me we are going to build taller, unless you have a state law to force it to happen. We both know it won’t happen otherwise.
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Only helps if the state government prioritizes infrastructure development and heavy investment in better public transit.

That isn’t gonna happen in SoCal unfortunately.
 
MacDre said:
This is true. I have a “back office” in Hyderabad in South India (silicone valley of India) and usually go there annually.
Funny thing is everytime I return the plane is full of engineers coming to work in the silicone valley. So if the math teachers in the Bay Area would do a better job of education local kids we wouldn’t have to import so many engineers and that will help with the housing crisis. Hey @dad4 what’s up with the math folks dropping the ball?
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Do you really want a five page rant about fractions?

Make sure mini-Mac can do 3/7 - 4/13. Most kids can't, so no STEM career for them.
 
EOTL said:
Oh christ. Yes, of course some schools are back, which depends in a number of factors including, but not limited to whether they’re public, transmission rates in the region, stupidity level, and age cohort.
Keep in mind that I’m not the one whining that schools aren’t in person. I’m just explaining why there are legitimate reasons why the ones that aren’t (which are still the large majority) aren’t.

Seriously, WTF is wrong with you people? You whine like little babies that Newsom has scared teachers into not wanting to go back to schools, I tell you why you’re idiots and there are legitimate reasons for their concern about dying, and the response is that kids are in school so therefore I’m wrong?

Do you want to talk about Newsom allegedly scaring teachers to not come back? Do you want to talk about how almost half a million people have doed from covid? Do you want to talk about how some schools are back in session and whether it’s a good idea? WTF do y’all wanna talk about?

Regardless, you should probably take @NorCalDad out to the woodshed because, like I keep saying, his attempt to blame Newsom for shutting down schools is simply bogus. If anything, the fact that some schools are open shows that there has been flexibility and there hasn’t been this monolithic approach to in person school attendance by someone who eats babies (albeit wonderfully seasoned at the French Laundry). Y’all are nuts. When you’re not whining Newsom isn’t letting kids back in school, you’re whining that I’m telling them they’re wrong, amd as proof that I’m wrong, you’re pointing out that Newsom is letting kids back in school.
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You are calling out norcal Dad? Really? You really think that everyone here is wrong and you're right- don't you? He seems to be one of the more middle of the road folks!
 
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