As soon as you show me where they pulled back from those requests....your argument is semantics.....LA is in California so a California Teachers Union made the demands.....next.....sarcasm is lost in shallow minds
Let Them Play CA
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Dude...you really shouldn't talk about schools, because you have no idea what you are talking about. You are once again short sided in your responses and only look at things through your pinhole of reality. 30 kids in a class would be secondary education, you are failing to recognize the millions of kids in an elementary classroom that are with the teacher the entire day, wearing mask, 6 feet apart, with shields around their desk and not being aloud to get out of their seat. So your denialism, doesn't count for that
Look, you lied about what California teachers are requiring and now you want me to prove you more wrong. Call UTLA and ask yourself.
Regardless, none of this has anything to do with your claim that Newsom brainwashed California teachers into believing there is a risk of death when there isn’t. Your nonsense was jist a distraction from your other lie.
If you want to get back to school, stop whining and do your part to stop spread and also encourage others to do so. Or just wait until everyone had been vaccinated.
I guess it’s ok to kill off the elementary school teachers...
Look, I understand that there are different risk factors at play for elementary school, but no one here is talking about elementary school children. This thread is about older kids, you know, elite soccer players which is ostensibly the point of this forum. If you are here with an elementary school child because you think they’re an elite soccer player, you are @crush level nut job. Or do we need to discuss pre-school and day care in order to satisfy your distraction?
And if I know so little about schools, and you know so much, please explain to me why exactly public schools are still remote? Is it because you and your four Q friends here think you know what you’re talking about? So whiny.
You did not address the criticism that, by closing outdoor spaces, we have moved people indoors where it is more dangerous.
Sally is safer playing sports than she is playing Wii at Susie’s.
That doesn’t mean Sally’s dad should invite Susie’s dad over for beer and poker. Nor does it mean that their coach should fly to New York for a party. Nor am I talking about tournaments in Phoenix. I‘m just saying that local outdoor sports are a good thing to keep open.
Didn’t lie, I misspoke and corrected myself. For example....are you lying that I said Newsome brainwashed CA teachers or did you just misspeak (this confusing me with another poster)?
Now go play in the traffic above your bridge...
Older kids? Did you just make that rule? Once again, you change it to fit your argument instead of looking at the entire picture...you are constantly short sided and look at things from only one perspective, and if it doesn't fit, you just ignore it.
I know you don't know what you are talking about because there are many elementary schools and high schools that are in person learning already. So wrong you are!!! You heard on CNN that California schools are not in session so you jumped to another conclusion that all schools must not be in session. Do you know how many districts in California are back in school learning? How many schools are hybrid? Do you even know what hybrid learning is? Do you know how many cases have been transmitted at school? You don't know about school, so please stop trying
You are so arrogant and misled..you use the CDC and Faucci for their opinions on staying at home and mask, but when they say something you don't agree with, you ignore their opinion. Both Fauci and CDC said it is safe for kids to go back to school, but somehow you know more about it than they do. You are too much
“It's less likely for a child to get infected in the school setting than if they were just in the community,” Fauci said.
Desert Hound
DA
Don't poke the bear....I mean cockroach. He will scurry away for a second only to re-appear a comment or 2 later. RAID does not work.
texanincali
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Asking for the other stuff also was certainly a stupid ploy by the LA teachers union back in June, but that has nothing to do with teachers not having a legitimate fear of dying. It’s incredibly asinine to claim that the LA union’s request from 7 months ago suggests that teachers aren’t worried about dying. The fact that almost half a million people have already died is enough by itself to establish the legitimacy of their concern, and that they haven’t been duped by the Governor. What you are doing is a typical Q/Fox News/OAN distraction. Do you make stupid arguments like that because you are stupid and actually believe it, or is it because you’re embarrassed to admit you’re wrong?
California teachers union wants schools in ‘purple’ counties to stay closed for 100 days; vaccinations for staff
The teachers union wants most California schools to remain closed for 100 days while the state comes up with a plan to slow the spread of the virus and vaccinate school staff.edsource.org
Teachers must be vaccinated before L.A. schools can reopen, Beutner says
L.A. schools Supt. Austin Beutner says reopening K-12 campuses will require the vaccination of teachers and staff. But UTLA says virus case rates also must drop.www.latimes.com
California teacher's unions worry about reopening schools
One of California's two powerful teachers unions is warning that reopening schools would be "reckless."www.ksby.com
California school waivers will require detailed planning
The California Federation of Teachers and California Association of Private School Organizations spoke out about the waivers.www.abc10.com
I would like to apologize for calling you obtuse in a thread a couple of weeks ago. It was a poor mischaracterization by myself. Upon further inspection you are pretty much just plain ignorant. Ignorant, racist and homophobic are not the best qualities in a person, but you carry your banner well.
Do teachers in California have some sort of fear that teachers in states that have student on campus don't have? California teachers are hiding behind their union to the detriment of those who they pretend to care so much about, the children. If we assume that all teachers are between the age of 18 and 64, their legitimate fear of dying from Covid comes out to be .3%. Take the 60-64 year old age group out of that and it drops to .19%.
Teachers aren't back in school because their union is exploiting a pandemic in order to further their liberal circle jerk of an agenda. Unfortunately, there are plenty of teachers that do want to be back in school, but their union is holding them back. These are teachers that are dedicated to their craft and genuinely care for the children they interact with. Nothing like being a state that forces teachers to pay union dues whether or not they even want to be.
To be fair to @EOTL, he/she/it never said these things weren't an issue. The analogy used was, these things are like "heartburn." One can only logically conclude, the comparison was to show that these mental illness symptoms were merely mildly annoying and not something anyone should really worry about.
This times 1000. For example, all the school field space closed just means people are going to congregate at the few fields that are open. There's absolutely no logic in that decision, but Newsom has everyone freaked out so much they can't think clearly. It's like the policy became "do the exact opposite of what a red state or Trump would do". To be clear I loath Trump....he's the biggest asshat of all asshats...He's the King Asshat. That doesn't mean policies in CA should be driven by partisan politics. Maybe I'm wrong here.
I do agree with @Grace T. that we're not China. We can't force people to lockdown and stay away from other folks. Again, March - July, I give Newsom a pass. We were trying to figure things out. In fact before the 8/3 youth sports guidelines everyone was abiding by the camp guidelines. Our kids were able to attend camps without masks or worry about social distancing. They had to stay with the same group of 12, but they could have normal practices. There was very little, if any, transmission during these. He had the data even in his own backyard. On 8/1 he should've emphasized outdoor activities and stressed the risk with indoor activities.
You know who else is probably afraid to got to work, but still diligently going to work in environments that are in many cases less safe than schools?
Private school teachers
Grocery clerks
Fast food clerks
Retail clerks
Barbers
Hairstylists
Nail beauticians
Sanitation workers
Nurses
Cops
Firemen
Pet groomers
Tattoo artists
Cooks
Chefs
Food servers
Bus boys
Dishwashers
Bell hops
Front desk clerks
Baseball coaches
Soccer coaches
Softball coaches
Football coaches
Volleyball coaches
Dance instructors
Gymnastic coaches
Lacrosse coaches
Pharmacists
Pharmacy clerks
Mechanics
Car salespeople
Flight attendants
Pilots
Uber drivers
Lyft drivers
....etc, etc, etc
Since when did public school teachers become such a protected class? Do private school teachers have some kind of odd immunity to Covid?
Private school teachers
Grocery clerks
Fast food clerks
Retail clerks
Barbers
Hairstylists
Nail beauticians
Sanitation workers
Nurses
Cops
Firemen
Pet groomers
Tattoo artists
Cooks
Chefs
Food servers
Bus boys
Dishwashers
Bell hops
Front desk clerks
Baseball coaches
Soccer coaches
Softball coaches
Football coaches
Volleyball coaches
Dance instructors
Gymnastic coaches
Lacrosse coaches
Pharmacists
Pharmacy clerks
Mechanics
Car salespeople
Flight attendants
Pilots
Uber drivers
Lyft drivers
....etc, etc, etc
Since when did public school teachers become such a protected class? Do private school teachers have some kind of odd immunity to Covid?
The Lyft/Uber/taxi driver thing is especially scary. You are in an enclosed space, for usually more than 15 minutes at a time. Unless the parties are wearing an N95, it's the type of situation where a mask is going to do very little (particularly for the passenger who is breathing in the air not only of the driver who has been sitting there all day, but the people who have been in the car before). And sick people have got to get to the hospital too (have read in the press more than 1 story of a sick person who took a ride in a rent-transport to the doctor....IIRC that's how the initial outbreak in the Philippines began).
MacDre
PREMIER
I recently had to take an Uber after I dropped my car off for service. The driver and I both had on mask and the driver let the windows down.
Oh christ. Yes, of course some schools are back, which depends in a number of factors including, but not limited to whether they’re public, transmission rates in the region, stupidity level, and age cohort.
Keep in mind that I’m not the one whining that schools aren’t in person. I’m just explaining why there are legitimate reasons why the ones that aren’t (which are still the large majority) aren’t.
Seriously, WTF is wrong with you people? You whine like little babies that Newsom has scared teachers into not wanting to go back to schools, I tell you why you’re idiots and there are legitimate reasons for their concern about dying, and the response is that kids are in school so therefore I’m wrong?
Do you want to talk about Newsom allegedly scaring teachers to not come back? Do you want to talk about how almost half a million people have doed from covid? Do you want to talk about how some schools are back in session and whether it’s a good idea? WTF do y’all wanna talk about?
Regardless, you should probably take @NorCalDad out to the woodshed because, like I keep saying, his attempt to blame Newsom for shutting down schools is simply bogus. If anything, the fact that some schools are open shows that there has been flexibility and there hasn’t been this monolithic approach to in person school attendance by someone who eats babies (albeit wonderfully seasoned at the French Laundry). Y’all are nuts. When you’re not whining Newsom isn’t letting kids back in school, you’re whining that I’m telling them they’re wrong, amd as proof that I’m wrong, you’re pointing out that Newsom is letting kids back in school.
Private and charter school rona strains are less virulent.
It's unfortunate that some teacher unions are are painting themselves into a corner and taking well meaning teachers with them. Not all teacher unions are bad, the big ones don't do any good on behalf of those they supposedly serve.
I smell some backpedaling going on. Now you are just splaining some details?
Oh Noes... Even His Royal Highness his excellency Gavin Newsom is saying send the kids to School. What now EOTL? what are you going to do?
Nevermind.. sure one of your other personalities will come into play and you can argue with yourself.
Newson vs Unions
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Yes, and many of them have died. Many others have been forced to endanger themselves because they don’t have any leverage to protect themselves, and their pay is too low that they don’t have savings to call back on.
I get that magats hate unions. You’d rather that employees could not use any leverage to negotiate things lome pay, health insurance, and health and safety. Well, too f**king bad. If anything, the pandemic has shown why we need them more than ever.
The fact that you seem to think everyone is the same, has the same risks, and the same need to do their job in person only establishes how much of a waste of time it is to even have a discussion with you. But I like explaining why braindead magats are so stupid, so here goes.
Many nurses and firefighters, for example, must take greater risks because their jobs save lives, unlike teachers, and they also have more access (and more important access) to PPE.
Many others subject themselves to danger because they must, since they have low paying jobs and therefore no savings, and no leverage to hold an employer accountable for putting them in danger.
Many jobs simply cannot be done remotely, unlike teaching. Flying a plane, for example. Putting out fires, washing dishes.
And some jobs can be structured to avoid having any dangerous interactions, like pharmacists, or even Uber drivers who have been setting up plexiglass barriers in their vehicles.
CA teacher unions can be cautious and protect the lives of their members because they can.
The mere fact that we are having this conversation at all means you have zero interest in a thoughtful conversation. You just want to have your kid back at school and playing soccer and ate willing to make up any stupid as f**k argument to support it. But I must admit that your argument that other people are working in person so therefore everyone must work in person if I want them to is a particularly stupid one.
Keep up the whining. The more you and your covid denier friends complain about everything instead of doing what you should, the longer it is going to take. You can’t say I didn’t warn you 9 months ago and every month that followed.
Yes, and many of them have died. Many others have been forced to endanger themselves because they don’t have any leverage to protect themselves, and their pay is too low that they don’t have savings to call back on.
I get that magats hate unions. You’d rather that employees could not use any leverage to negotiate things lome pay, health insurance, and health and safety. Well, too f**king bad. If anything, the pandemic has shown why we need them more than ever.
The fact that you seem to think everyone is the same, has the same risks, and the same need to do their job in person only establishes how much of a waste of time it is to even have a discussion with you. But I like explaining why braindead magats are so stupid, so here goes.
Many nurses and firefighters, for example, must take greater risks because their jobs save lives, unlike teachers, and they also have more access (and more important access) to PPE.
Many others subject themselves to danger because they must, since they have low paying jobs and therefore no savings, and no leverage to hold an employer accountable for putting them in danger.
Many jobs simply cannot be done remotely, unlike teaching. Flying a plane, for example. Putting out fires, washing dishes.
And some jobs can be structured to avoid having any dangerous interactions, like pharmacists, or even Uber drivers who have been setting up plexiglass barriers in their vehicles.
CA teacher unions can be cautious and protect the lives of their members because they can.
The mere fact that we are having this conversation at all means you have zero interest in a thoughtful conversation. You just want to have your kid back at school and playing soccer and ate willing to make up any stupid as f**k argument to support it. But I must admit that your argument that other people are working in person so therefore everyone must work in person if I want them to is a particularly stupid one.
Keep up the whining. The more you and your covid denier friends complain about everything instead of doing what you should, the longer it is going to take. You can’t say I didn’t warn you 9 months ago and every month that followed.
Private and charter school teachers don’t have a union to protect them. It’s unfortunate that those teachers must subject themselves to such risk. They’ll learn soon enough why the teacher turnover at these schools is so high.
Desert Hound
DA
Well to be fair you didn't use deodorant that day. Lets not confuse the issue/reason
