Let Them Play CA

I must run in completely different circles than everyone else because I don't know any family that wouldn't put their kids back in class full time NOW. That's families that cover the full political spectrum. I do know I few people that don't have kids that don't want kids back in school but that's it.
 
Soccerfan2 said:
I’ve been back in the classroom teaching since Nov 4. My DD’s have both been in class as well. I’m lucky to be in a district and local union chapter that both supported returning (85% of our teachers voted to return) and worked together to make it happen. The parent community largely wanted back too. 75% of our families wanted to come back and 25% remain in distance learning by choice.
The district keeps stats on student and teacher cases. About .03% of staff/students are testing positive each week. This almost exactly matches the positives for the county as a whole. Cases in our county have been falling very very fast since the holidays. Schools being open do not seem to accelerate transmission based on our data.
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shhhh, please, no science. It's very confusing.
 
watfly said:
I must run in completely different circles than everyone else because I don't know any family that wouldn't put their kids back in class full time NOW. That's families that cover the full political spectrum. I do know I few people that don't have kids that don't want kids back in school but that's it.
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I know a few teachers ((my friends tell me their true feelings)) that tell me the last 10 months has been amazing. One of them now get's to be with her kids and teach other kids, all from home. I like that for mom. I know some dads who used to drive from Temecula up to Ontario to teach and it was hell for them driving up in the morning. Life was so fast and no time spent with his family. Now dad is at home and all is well. I wouldn;t want to go back to driving on those IE freeways either. I would use Rona 100% to stay home with my loved ones and not all the road ragers on the 15 fwry. Let's figure out a way to learn from the past and then reach for the stars.
 
watfly said:
I must run in completely different circles than everyone else because I don't know any family that wouldn't put their kids back in class full time NOW. That's families that cover the full political spectrum. I do know I few people that don't have kids that don't want kids back in school but that's it.
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At least for me, it depends on the number of unique contacts per day.

A single class of 30 that goes through all subjects? Great idea, especially if it is outside.

A traditional schedule with 150 unique contacts? No thanks.

We had a split at the high school over this. Parents of younger kids wanted stable groups, and parents of older kids wanted a standard class rotation.
 
EOTL said:
Teachers have not wanted to go back into the classrooms because they have a legitimate fear of dying. It is not because they were misled by Newsom into believing it is dangerous when it is not. Almost half a million people have died.

The social distancing guidelines were not misguided, they have saved lives and a lot of them. Complain all you want. Fake speculate that no one would have died if we’d just pretended Covid-19 didn’t exist. Pretend that what you want (little Sally playing soccer) is more important than any of the million things that other people believe exceptions should be made for. You are where you are because you and people like you have never taken this seriously enough. Since the inception of the pandemic, people at this forum have done nothing but whine and oppose efforts to reduce spread.

There’s @MSK357 who claimed no one was dying of covid-19, and who promised to leave this site forever if more than 12,000 people died. He still thinks no one is dying of covid because Q has apparently told him they’re all dying “with” covid, which is about as dumbf**king a thing I’ve ever heard. Then there are the likes of @Desert Hound who was whining about not being able to hit the bars as far back as May or June I believe.

Then there is grace karen who is still going around claiming masks don’t work, and who blithely ignored recommendations to avoid spread to take her kid to Utah and back to play kiddie soccer early in the pandemic before CA had to clamp down hard after idiots like her weren’t getting it. These idiots are complaining that CA has had to implement strict regulations when the reason we have them is because they refused to even follow far less strict recommendations. Then there have been a whole slew of people mocking anyone in support of social distancing by claiming they should hide in their basement. They also claimed (and still claim) that old people who got it and died deserve it since they should have just stayed home, as if that were a legitimate option for most.

By all means keep criticizing people who call out those who refuse to comply with even the most basic and obvious of social distancing guidelines. Maybe you’ll all keep passing it around until it mutates enough so that the existing vaccines don’t work. Or it just keeps spreading because anti-vax psychos like @crush keep it going. Or until everyone is vaccinated because that is what people like you have proven it will take.
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So, @EOTL we probably have similar ideological views when you look at the root of the discussions here. I don't think the way you communicate is productive, but I agree with a lot of your foundations. Yes, I know you're not trying to be productive here in these soccer forums. Let me try this.

Do you think it's a fair statement to say that a significant percentage of Californians never planned on complying with the lockdown orders or other covid related guidelines? Just knowing that, doesn't that warrant looking at the situation differently?

Look at the numbers in Texas. They're pretty spot on with California -- pretty much across the board. They have a slightly higher death rate per 100k, but California will likely match that in the coming weeks. Yet, the policies implemented in each state couldn't be anymore different. Don't you think we should look at that?
 
watfly said:
I must run in completely different circles than everyone else because I don't know any family that wouldn't put their kids back in class full time NOW. That's families that cover the full political spectrum. I do know I few people that don't have kids that don't want kids back in school but that's it.
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I can confirm this sentiment. Everyone I know wants their kids back in school. Albeit, safely. They want the teachers to be safe....PPEs, plexiglass, etc.
 
dad4 said:
At least for me, it depends on the number of unique contacts per day.

A single class of 30 that goes through all subjects? Great idea, especially if it is outside.

A traditional schedule with 150 unique contacts? No thanks.

We had a split at the high school over this. Parents of younger kids wanted stable groups, and parents of older kids wanted a standard class rotation.
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My teens have been back at HS full time since late aug/beginning of September. They run classes like they did last year. So lots of different contacts. There hasn't been any issues.

The same has been seen in other places around the US and the world where they are back in school. It isn't an issue.
 
NorCalDad said:
Look at the numbers in Texas. They're pretty spot on with California -- pretty much across the board. They have a slightly higher death rate per 100k, but California will likely match that in the coming weeks. Yet, the policies implemented in each state couldn't be anymore different. Don't you think we should look at that?
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CA cases per million: 84,251
TX cases per million: 83,430
FL cases per million: 80,414

The idea behind masks, biz shutdowns, no school, etc was to LIMIT the spread. CA has been one of the strictest in the nation in this regard. FL and TX completely opposite.

If you live in TX or FL your kid has been back in school for months, you can go out to eat (inside or outside), your kids are playing sports. You can go to Disney World...etc.

CA has inflicted economic pain and suffering, educational harm, etc all for nothing.

The data above tells you all you need to know.

And people wonder on this board hey if we get down to (whatever color) maybe kids can play sports and other stuff can open up. At some point people should look at the data and say screw that. Open up.
 
watfly said:
I must run in completely different circles than everyone else because I don't know any family that wouldn't put their kids back in class full time NOW. That's families that cover the full political spectrum. I do know I few people that don't have kids that don't want kids back in school but that's it.
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I’m not ready for my kid to go back to school yet. I think the Covid break has been very beneficial for her. She has learned how to skate and hop a fence. As a guy that grew up in 80’s, I tend to think that our kids lives are overly structured and many kids are socially inept because of it. I have thoroughly enjoyed dropping my kid off at the skate park and watching her evolve socially by “playing outside” and developing those conflict resolution skills without adults and without bullying or being bullied.
I know the situation with my kid is different and she probably would’ve had to drop out of brick and mortar school anyways this year. But, I have also met quite a few “lower class” dads that drop their kids off at our local park on their way to work and pick them up on their way home and they’re all happy that their kids have been able to experience what childhood was like in the 80’s.
 
Desert Hound said:
CA cases per million: 84,251
TX cases per million: 83,430
FL cases per million: 80,414

The idea behind masks, biz shutdowns, no school, etc was to LIMIT the spread. CA has been one of the strictest in the nation in this regard. FL and TX completely opposite.

If you live in TX or FL your kid has been back in school for months, you can go out to eat (inside or outside), your kids are playing sports. You can go to Disney World...etc.

CA has inflicted economic pain and suffering, educational harm, etc all for nothing.

The data above tells you all you need to know.

And people wonder on this board hey if we get down to (whatever color) maybe kids can play sports and other stuff can open up. At some point people should look at the data and say screw that. Open up.
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CA deaths per million: 1046
FL deaths per million: 1242
TX deaths per million: 1293
AZ deaths per million: 1836

Yep. Close to identical. Except for all the extra deaths in AZ.

I guess the takeaway is, don’t take advice from Arizona.
 
MacDre said:
I’m not ready for my kid to go back to school yet. I think the Covid break has been very beneficial for her. She has learned how to skate and hop a fence. As a guy that grew up in 80’s, I tend to think that our kids lives are overly structured and many kids are socially inept because of it. I have thoroughly enjoyed dropping my kid off at the skate park and watching her evolve socially by “playing outside” and developing those conflict resolution skills without adults and without bullying or being bullied.
I know the situation with my kid is different and she probably would’ve had to drop out of brick and mortar school anyways this year. But, I have also met quite a few “lower class” dads that drop their kids off at our local park on their way to work and pick them up on their way home and they’re all happy that their kids have been able to experience what childhood was like in the 80’s.
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She couldn’t do all of that after 3 pm everyday like the rest of us did?
 
dad4 said:
At least for me, it depends on the number of unique contacts per day.

A single class of 30 that goes through all subjects? Great idea, especially if it is outside.

A traditional schedule with 150 unique contacts? No thanks.

We had a split at the high school over this. Parents of younger kids wanted stable groups, and parents of older kids wanted a standard class rotation.
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Fair and I think you should have a choice to do what you think is best for your family, whether its based on emotion, or science. I don't think your saying that you would take away that choice to go to school full time from other parents. So I'm pretty sure you and I are on the same page. I think we all agree that being back at school should be done with some common sense protections.

MacDre said:
I’m not ready for my kid to go back to school yet. I think the Covid break has been very beneficial for her. She has learned how to skate and hop a fence. As a guy that grew up in 80’s, I tend to think that our kids lives are overly structured and many kids are socially inept because of it. I have thoroughly enjoyed dropping my kid off at the skate park and watching her evolve socially by “playing outside” and developing those conflict resolution skills without adults and without bullying or being bullied.
I know the situation with my kid is different and she probably would’ve had to drop out of brick and mortar school anyways this year. But, I have also met quite a few “lower class” dads that drop their kids off at our local park on their way to work and pick them up on their way home and they’re all happy that their kids have been able to experience what childhood was like in the 80’s.
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My son's skating and surfing has improved dramatically during Covid, he has also caught a lot more fish than he normally would had he been in in-person school full-time. If you were able to take advantage of them, there was some temporary benefits to the lockdown, but that was largely dependent on your socioeconomic status. Just like vacations the Covid school break has to end at some point and we passed that point months ago. It's not sustainable to not have kids in a proper learning environment. It's a significant detriment to our communities in the short and long term.
 
dad4 said:
CA deaths per million: 1046
FL deaths per million: 1242
TX deaths per million: 1293
AZ deaths per million: 1836

Yep. Close to identical. Except for all the extra deaths in AZ.

I guess the takeaway is, don’t take advice from Arizona.
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Actually your the math guy. Tell me why cases per million do not stack up nicely with deaths per million?

That is the part you overlook. Most people do.

Utah about the same cases per million as AZ but deaths per million are less then a 1/3 of AZ
OR

OK about the same cases per million but half the deaths
Or

WI and MS having about identical cases per million but one has DOUBLE the deaths per million.

And so on.

Go look at the data for the states. Then do the same thing with countries.

It doesn't match up nicely...ie cases per million vs deaths per million.

So the take away I have looking at the data is that cases per million is not a good indicator of deaths per million.
 
dad4 said:
CA deaths per million: 1046
FL deaths per million: 1242
TX deaths per million: 1293
AZ deaths per million: 1836

Yep. Close to identical. Except for all the extra deaths in AZ.

I guess the takeaway is, don’t take advice from Arizona.
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A disproportionate share of deaths come from the Native American communities in Arizona (and New Mexico) where access to healthcare is limited. Not saying that makes up the entire difference but it is a factor.
 
Desert Hound said:
CA cases per million: 84,251
TX cases per million: 83,430
FL cases per million: 80,414

The idea behind masks, biz shutdowns, no school, etc was to LIMIT the spread. CA has been one of the strictest in the nation in this regard. FL and TX completely opposite.

If you live in TX or FL your kid has been back in school for months, you can go out to eat (inside or outside), your kids are playing sports. You can go to Disney World...etc.

CA has inflicted economic pain and suffering, educational harm, etc all for nothing.

The data above tells you all you need to know.

And people wonder on this board hey if we get down to (whatever color) maybe kids can play sports and other stuff can open up. At some point people should look at the data and say screw that. Open up.
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I think we agree, but based on different reasoning. It's not that the lockdown's and draconian rules didn't work...it's that not enough people followed the rules. Again, as @Grace T. rightfully pointed out many moons ago, we're not China. The rules were never enforceable. I do believe, however, if we had a different federal administration that could've worked more collaboratively with the states on cohesive communication and policy we all would've collectively come out of this better. We will never know the answer to that.
 
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