the virus wouldn't be getting into the ghettos if someone wasn't bringing it home with them (usually from work). The problem in California is we neither locked down fully (which wasn't sustainable for a year) nor opened up near fully, with a result of little impact on cases and a whole lot of economic and secondary damage.
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the virus wouldn't be getting into the ghettos if someone wasn't bringing it home with them (usually from work). The problem in California is we neither locked down fully (which wasn't sustainable for a year) nor opened up near fully, with a result of little impact on cases and a whole lot of economic and secondary damage.
MacDre
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We have in places like Modesto, Tracy, Stockton, Manteca, Rancho Cucomonga, Corona etc. The valley is the new ghetto and there’s more than enough urban sprawl there.
Why would they EVER ask for these things? Not now, not in June, not ever!
Works great for people like you and me.
How well does it work for a 23 year old couple trying to find a place to live? Or should they just cease to exist because rich people on the coast find them inconvenient?
You’re better than that, Dre. People need homes. Real homes. If you effectively ban construction because it is sprawl, what happens to the people who were going to live there?
And don’t tell me we are going to build taller, unless you have a state law to force it to happen. We both know it won’t happen otherwise.
Or it’s something other than policy that differentiates death rates...
CA vs. AZ % of population over 65
Persons 65 years and over, percent CA 14.3% AZ 17.5%
And you are only counting full time residents. AZ has tons and tons of snowbirds in the winter that are technically residents of other states but come here for the winter every year.
Fair. It would be best to look at per capita death rates within age bands. I don’t have that, but we can look at deaths per million residents over 65.
CA: 1051/0.143 = 7350 deaths per mil elderly.
AZ: 1836/0.175 = 10474 deaths per mil elderly.
Closer, but AZ is still not looking so great. Still 42% above CA.
My kids have had in person learning with teachers on site since Sept. 1st. Not one teacher has had Covid and there has been no Covid spread among the students as a result of being at school. ZERO! I have spent A LOT of money for private school over the years but I can tell you, it was money well spent especially this year.
Desert Hound
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And they tend to be older/retired as well.
As someone mentioned previously, I think you'd also need to do a deep dive into the Latino and Native American communities.
Why would they want to send their kids to school when public school's solution is to send kids back to a classroom with a proctor in the room and the teacher on Zoom from home? That is not the definition of in person learning. You might as well stay home if your still learning via a Zoom meeting.
True, but how do you avoid it?
Pay them all to stay home? Sounds great, until you try to buy some hamburger and there isn’t any.
Well aren't you special
. Bragging about how your kids are in school! Just kidding, I'm just jealous. Can't even get my kids into a private school if we wanted to at this point. The waiting lists are huge.
MacDre
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All valid points. But, I don’t think more development is the solution. Over the past 20-30 years I have seen lots of development in cities like Fremont, Newark, San Ramon, Pleasanton, Danville, Hercules, and the Peninsula but those areas are still unaffordable to the 23 y/o couple you referenced. I also participated in meetings with developers wanting to shut down the Ashby flea market and develop high rises in the parking lot of the Ashby Bart of which none would be affordable for that 23 y/o couple.
I don’t know what the solution is, but it’s not development in the Bay Area.
Yes, we are definitely grateful for the ability to put them in private school. It's not easy but it's been worth the sacrifice. Private school does not help us when it comes to going back to playing sports though.Well aren't you special
You know my preferred solution is Florida. But if you are going to go the lockdown route, short targeted regional lockdowns to control outbreaks in the areas which are being affected (we might not be able to go as far as Australia given constitutional limitations, but even they don't have their country in permanent high level lockdown), with only groceries, pharmacies and essential medical services operating. Partial lockdowns forever including over summer months, with stupid things like outdoor dining schools and sports shut down, did very little to control the virus and very much to destroy the economy.
MacDre
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Not true. School is more than the 3 R’s. Kids can grow socially and in non-academic ways under this setup. It also helps to solve the childcare, depression, and social isolation problems some are having.
Just curious, what else would you do in public so kids could play?
That was effectively the situation for my son's twice a week hybrid option, which we ended up opting out of. It was like an in class prison. He got much more socialization in the neighborhood.
A "Make America Great Again" hat or a Biden/Harris 2020 shirt. I draw the line at wearing Lululemon though...not happening.
You think you’ve seen lots of residential development? Go down to Cupertino and look at the parking lots for Apple. Then go look at the parking lots for what you thought were big residential developments. It will be about 1/100 as large. Those developments that you thought were big? They are small compared to the need, which is why we need a real solution.
You may not know what your solution is, but I do.
Your solution is that young poor families will live 3 to an apartment. All six parents will work to pay rent, no one will be around to guide the kids, and you’ll have gang problems. Because that is what will happen.