How’s the 2023-24 season going?

RobbieNorwood said:
I've been told by some coaches during our search that they have the right connections to keep my daughter in ODP and or PDP player pool. From talking to the parents it seems these programs in SoCal mean nothing like they do in other regions and its nothing more for the governing body's to make more money. Noticed an AYSO United player was listed on the id2 list. Is Ayso considered a strong program here that they can produce better players then the Blues? If so, impressive. Also confused on how kids get selected by the programs? Have all the leagues merged? I've been made aware of SoCal Soccer league and Cal South. How can players be part of one league and program out here and get to try out for the complete opposite. Strange system if the best players do not get a chance to compete for roster spot. GA and RL players over NL players????
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Any kind of Coach or DOC selected player "all star" player pool is going to be questioned.

Now you know why parents give Christmas presents to coaches, pay coaches for privates, attend parent/coach golfing events. What about all the drinks at the bar at travel tournaments? Etc etc etc...

My issue with ID events like PDP is that all coach recommendations carry the same weight + usually coaches are able to recommend 1-3 per team. If a team is terrible why should their 3 recommendations carry the same weight as the team that wins week after week? What should happen is that the team that wins all the time should be give 6 spots and the terrible team 0. Unfortunately this never happens because if it did terrible clubs would just stop participating.
 
Carlsbad7 said:
Any kind of Coach or DOC selected player "all star" player pool is going to be questioned.

Now you know why parents give Christmas presents to coaches, pay coaches for privates, attend parent/coach golfing events. What about all the drinks at the bar at travel tournaments? Etc etc etc...

My issue with ID events like PDP is that all coach recommendations carry the same weight + usually coaches are able to recommend 1-3 per team. If a team is terrible why should their 3 recommendations carry the same weight as the team that wins week after week? What should happen is that the team that wins all the time should be give 6 spots and the terrible team 0. Unfortunately this never happens because if it did terrible clubs would just stop participating.
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I think you’re confusing team achievements for individual achievements. Team may be top tear but doesn’t mean they have 11 top tier players out there. A team can be bottom tier, it doesn’t mean you have 11 players that are all bottom tier. The nomination gets you to be seen. What you can do keeps you there.

That’s the advantage you get sometimes being a top player on a lesser team and a disadvantage of being a top player on a top team. The top player blends in with their teammates and those standouts get recognition where as the top player on the lesser team stands out and gets the recognition individually.

There are girls playing NPL and ECRL right now for those reasons where they’ll continue to get 100% playtime where if they were apart of the herd they’d be rotating and sharing minutes with all the other DDs out there and just blending in. So ya, I can see why a coach recommendation can have the same weight even if it’s from a bottom team.
 
TeamDadJokes said:
I think you’re confusing team achievements for individual achievements. Team may be top tear but doesn’t mean they have 11 top tier players out there. A team can be bottom tier, it doesn’t mean you have 11 players that are all bottom tier. The nomination gets you to be seen. What you can do keeps you there.

That’s the advantage you get sometimes being a top player on a lesser team and a disadvantage of being a top player on a top team. The top player blends in with their teammates and those standouts get recognition where as the top player on the lesser team stands out and gets the recognition individually.

There are girls playing NPL and ECRL right now for those reasons where they’ll continue to get 100% playtime where if they were apart of the herd they’d be rotating and sharing minutes with all the other DDs out there and just blending in. So ya, I can see why a coach recommendation can have the same weight even if it’s from a bottom team.
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Eventually, individual achievements should add up to team achievements. I can believe one or two stars on a weak team. More than that, and I’d expect them to start racking up the wins.

When you go to one of these “super elite” things and see 5-6 players from the same mid level team, it’s pretty clear that something is wrong. Mid level teams don’t have 6 all-stars. If they did, they’d win more.
 
TeamDadJokes said:
I think you’re confusing team achievements for individual achievements. Team may be top tear but doesn’t mean they have 11 top tier players out there. A team can be bottom tier, it doesn’t mean you have 11 players that are all bottom tier. The nomination gets you to be seen. What you can do keeps you there.

That’s the advantage you get sometimes being a top player on a lesser team and a disadvantage of being a top player on a top team. The top player blends in with their teammates and those standouts get recognition where as the top player on the lesser team stands out and gets the recognition individually.

There are girls playing NPL and ECRL right now for those reasons where they’ll continue to get 100% playtime where if they were apart of the herd they’d be rotating and sharing minutes with all the other DDs out there and just blending in. So ya, I can see why a coach recommendation can have the same weight even if it’s from a bottom team.
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At higher levels all positions need to be strong. This is because opponents scout your team + look for weaknesses to exploit.

At lower levels a single stand out player can make the difference between wins and losses. Until you've seen it, it's hard to understand but at higher levels a single strong forward will get stuffed.

This is why it's so difficult to win at the highest levels. Teams have to be strong in all positions.

Does this explain why winning high level teams should have more talent ID picks than losing high level teams?
 
Carlsbad7 said:
At higher levels all positions need to be strong. This is because opponents scout your team + look for weaknesses to exploit.

At lower levels a single stand out player can make the difference between wins and losses. Until you've seen it, it's hard to understand but at higher levels a single strong forward will get stuffed.

This is why it's so difficult to win at the highest levels. Teams have to be strong in all positions.

Does this explain why winning high level teams should have more talent ID picks than losing high level teams?
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dad4 said:
Eventually, individual achievements should add up to team achievements. I can believe one or two stars on a weak team. More than that, and I’d expect them to start racking up the wins.

When you go to one of these “super elite” things and see 5-6 players from the same mid level team, it’s pretty clear that something is wrong. Mid level teams don’t have 6 all-stars. If they did, they’d win more.
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Some teams do well because they have role players that do their roles well. Those players don’t get picked for the All Star games and I believe that’s the case in this circumstance. If you watch any high level sports you’d understand the point I’m making here. Sorry to hurt some egos but yes, those DDs are amazing players, but maybe some didn’t make the all star list and that’s ok.

As an example, Robert Horry has 7 NBA championships. Never made the all star team. He was NBA All-Rookie Second Team (1993) Second-team All-SEC (1992) Third-team All-SEC (1990) SEC All-Defensive Team (1992) Fourth-team Parade All-American (1988). But nope, not an all star. But he did his role well on his championship teams.
 
TeamDadJokes said:
Some teams do well because they have role players that do their roles well. Those players don’t get picked for the All Star games and I believe that’s the case in this circumstance. If you watch any high level sports you’d understand the point I’m making here. Sorry to hurt some egos but yes, those DDs are amazing players, but maybe some didn’t make the all star list and that’s ok.

As an example, Robert Horry has 7 NBA championships. Never made the all star team. He was NBA All-Rookie Second Team (1993) Second-team All-SEC (1992) Third-team All-SEC (1990) SEC All-Defensive Team (1992) Fourth-team Parade All-American (1988). But nope, not an all star. But he did his role well on his championship teams.
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6s 8s and Defenders typically get screwed for Talent IDs. At higher levels coaches and recruiters understand the value these positions bring. But, they're usually secondary picks.

I've never understood the logic of picking forwards first, mids and goalies second, and defenders third.

If your opponent never has an opportunity to score because of strong mids and defenders by default forwards will have more opportunities.
 
TeamDadJokes said:
Some teams do well because they have role players that do their roles well. Those players don’t get picked for the All Star games and I believe that’s the case in this circumstance. If you watch any high level sports you’d understand the point I’m making here. Sorry to hurt some egos but yes, those DDs are amazing players, but maybe some didn’t make the all star list and that’s ok.

As an example, Robert Horry has 7 NBA championships. Never made the all star team. He was NBA All-Rookie Second Team (1993) Second-team All-SEC (1992) Third-team All-SEC (1990) SEC All-Defensive Team (1992) Fourth-team Parade All-American (1988). But nope, not an all star. But he did his role well on his championship teams.
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Every team needs straight DAWGS if they are going to win. There were some definite misses in this PDP list and as always the focus is on the sexy positions but everyone knows what wins championships. Its a proven FACT. This PDP team will most likely crush everyone in Spain so honestly it doesn't even need the strongest defenders on it.
 
Vegas Cup brackets are out. Thought they’d do a better job putting the top flight together. Last year it was a who’s who of teams out there. This year there’s some questionable teams playing top flight. Not sure they seeded this well either, especially when you have teams like sporting ecnl playing in the flight 2 09 in the same tournament.

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Looking at the 09 bracket it seems this will probably be the last time most these girls will play this tournament especially since high school season won’t allow for it as they start that next year.

National Rank / SR Score / Team Name
Bracket A
18 47.04 Legends ECNL
292 43.38 SoCal Blues NPL Fly
373 43.01 Albion SC LV GA
814 41.16 Rebels IE Bautista

Bracket B
82 45.44 Phoenix Rising ECNL
165 44.34 Slammers Koge RL
200 44.01 BVB GA
313 43.27 LV Surf E64

Bracket C
40 46.41 Beach RL
52 46.02 Slammers RL
57 45.90 HEAT ECNL
92 45.28 Pats ECNL

Bracket D
72 45.62 Az Arsenal ECNL
73 45.62 Liverpool DPL
369 43.03 Sporting RL
1357 39.67 Albion DPL

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Lmsa said:
Does anyone know how who and when DPL
Teams get ascended to GA?
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Both GA and ECNL announce new clubs between Jan and March.

There's a rumor that since DPL controls the GA board that this year there will be several new GA additions. We'll find out soon if it's true or not.
 
TeamDadJokes said:
Vegas Cup brackets are out. Thought they’d do a better job putting the top flight together. Last year it was a who’s who of teams out there. This year there’s some questionable teams playing top flight. Not sure they seeded this well either, especially when you have teams like sporting ecnl playing in the flight 2 09 in the same tournament.

GotSport

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Looking at the 09 bracket it seems this will probably be the last time most these girls will play this tournament especially since high school season won’t allow for it as they start that next year.
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This is the U14G Gold bracket for 2010 teams, not the 2009 bracket, right?
 
For what its worth, using just the national rank #'s posted above, the average national rank for the Gold (top) bracket is 273rd; this feels much closer to an RL/DPL tournament this year.
 
RandomSoccerFan said:
This is the U14G Gold bracket for 2010 teams, not the 2009 bracket, right?
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Correct. Just seems they could have pulled stronger teams from other brackets to make a more competitive Gold bracket. It would make way more sense to swap out Albion DPL and Rebels IE with these two teams

Sporting ECNL 61st SR 45.77 (playing 09 Silver Elite)
Sting Black RL 219th SR 43.88 (playing 10 Silver Elite)

And then distribute bracket C more evenly within the other brackets. Why have 3 top 60 teams in the same bracket, the 4th being top 100 and that added new pieces from legends ecnl in the same bracket where as you stated the average rating is 273. It looks like they didn’t give much thought about putting this group together.
 
Carlsbad7 said:
Both GA and ECNL announce new clubs between Jan and March.

There's a rumor that since DPL controls the GA board that this year there will be several new GA additions. We'll find out soon if it's true or not.
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There are several deserving DPL clubs who should be moved up.
 
Larzby said:
There are several deserving DPL clubs who should be moved up.
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I agree, Liverpools younger DPL teams are doing very well and should be promoted.

I'd also like to see SD Force promoted up to GA and SDSC (girls) relegated to DPL. The only problem with doing this is SDSC would likely switch over to ECRL.
 
Carlsbad7 said:
I agree, Liverpools younger DPL teams are doing very well and should be promoted.

I'd also like to see SD Force promoted up to GA and SDSC (girls) relegated to DPL. The only problem with doing this is SDSC would likely switch over to ECRL.
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NPL is supposedly becoming ECRL 2 this fall so I’m sure that’s going to be interesting to see how that develops and evolves
 
TeamDadJokes said:
NPL is supposedly becoming ECRL 2 this fall so I’m sure that’s going to be interesting to see how that develops and evolves
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Participating in a 3rd tier ECNL league (which I assume ECRL2 is) would be a hard sell to NPL clubs unless there was clearly defined pro/rel advancement options.

DPL + GA would just pick off the better ECRL2 (former NPL) clubs.
 
If I'm reading correctly, this change already happened in norcal last season, and there wasn't an exodus. It's just a name change for the bracket. NPL Champions league was renamed ECNL-RL. The issue, at least initially, is that there are a sizable number of teams that just call their second ECNL team ECNL-RL, and they aren't good enough to play at the top NPL level so they are named RL but aren't playing in the ECNL-RL bracket. This will lessen over time hopefully as coaches (and players, and parents), realize that the "RL" team they are on isn't actually an RL team.

There is pro/rel within the NPL ranks to get a team all the way into ECNL-RL, and to bounce them out of it if they underperform - this is all at the team level and not at the club level. There has been no explicit pro/rel from ECNL-RL to ECNL-NL or vice/versa.
 
Carlsbad7 said:
Participating in a 3rd tier ECNL league (which I assume ECRL2 is) would be a hard sell to NPL clubs unless there was clearly defined pro/rel advancement options.

DPL + GA would just pick off the better ECRL2 (former NPL) clubs.
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It kind of makes sense if you think about it. NPL doesn’t really have any showcases, but participating in ECRL can at least provide a pathway for showcases for older teams outside of USYS National Playoffs.

For clubs with ECNL and NPL it makes it even easier to move players within each team now as it’s under one organization now.

Players can move up easier when they’re showing they can play at a higher level and vice versa players can move down to get more play time should they be a bubble player.

In the 2010 bracket, there are some NPL teams that are stronger than some of the RL teams that are currently present. I’m thinking of teams like Tudela, TFA OC, and Fury, And clubs with ECNL like SoCal blues, Slammers, LAFC and I’m sure Surf can all benefit from this change in regarding to moving players around as needed (again this is in theory given were moving players with good intentions).

It looks like the first step in a promotion / relegation system to be implemented at the gate way for the highest level.
 
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