How’s the 2023-24 season going?

Seems reasonable, but the expectations show that Fram GA vs Beach ECRL would be a toss-up every day of the week, so somehow they are able to recruit (and coach, and retain) enough talent to put together a top 20 team in California, where over 500 competitive 2010G teams in CA would be ecstatic to trade places with them. We are talking about the 98.5 percentile (Beach ECNL) vs. the 97.6 percentile (Beach ECRL) vs. the 97.4 percentile (Fram GA), it's a pretty slim difference from that perspective.
 
rainbow_unicorn said:
All of the top players in the south bay area play for Beach ECNL. A few Beach players will go to Fram GA if they did not make Beach ECNL or RL team. There are zero players that chose Fram GA over Beach ECNL.
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You might want to choose a different example than Beach vs FRAM. There are several other ECNL teams that align with what you're trying to say.

- Currently FRAM G2010 is ranked #5 in all of GA + has a freeride at IMG later this season
- Beach is #4 in regional Mojave G2010 + looking at the numbers they likely won't be #3 which means no finals for Beach. (Unless you consider attending the consolation showcase a win)

I bet multiple Beach players and Parents have FRAM as a maybe.
 
FRAM 2010 is an anomaly as it is really Ole and Walter Merino's team. They just put on the FRAM jersey to play and still practice up in the valley. No Beach player is considering FRAM just given the distance. It has nothing to do with how good FRAM is as Walter is a very good coach.
 
WillJohn said:
FRAM 2010 is an anomaly as it is really Ole and Walter Merino's team. They just put on the FRAM jersey to play and still practice up in the valley. No Beach player is considering FRAM just given the distance. It has nothing to do with how good FRAM is as Walter is a very good coach.
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Funny how you're labeling FRAM as an "anomaly". I assume because they're playing + winning in GA.

The truth, (that many are trying so hard to avoid) is that FRAM is doing well in GA + has a similar ranking as Beach.
 
WillJohn said:
FRAM 2010 is an anomaly as it is really Ole and Walter Merino's team. They just put on the FRAM jersey to play and still practice up in the valley. No Beach player is considering FRAM just given the distance. It has nothing to do with how good FRAM is as Walter is a very good coach.
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You're probably right, logistics are always going to win out - even if there are plenty of examples of people driving hours each week to practice. For what it's worth, Fram has other strong teams other than 2010G, including 2008G and 2015G, and overall the club is 25th in state. But you're right - the selected team is one of, if not the strongest teams wearing that jersey.

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Carlsbad7 said:
Funny how you're labeling FRAM as an "anomaly". I assume because they're playing + winning in GA.

The truth, (that many are trying so hard to avoid) is that FRAM is doing well in GA + has a similar ranking as Beach.
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I think he was just labelling Fram 2010G as not really a Fram team that was developed in-house - he's not talking about the club as a whole.
 
Carlsbad7 said:
Funny how you're labeling FRAM as an "anomaly". I assume because they're playing + winning in GA.

The truth, (that many are trying so hard to avoid) is that FRAM is doing well in GA + has a similar ranking as Beach.
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I'm not talking about playing + winning in GA. I'm happy they are winning.

I called them an anomaly because they are the only FRAM team that is not home-grown. When FRAM became GA, they made an agreement and Walter's Ole team up in the valley became the new 2010 GA team. Good for them as they have always been a good team and need the competition.

Every other FRAM GA team (and all their teams) are teams that have always been FRAM with coaches that have been with FRAM and with players from the local area.
 
TeamDadJokes said:
I guess that’s different than the feedback I got from a few parents at Eagles that I know and speak to. Last year Eagles peaked mid season and hit #1 in the rankings beating out a few top teams along the way. They made it to playoffs and got out of the group stage losing to the eventual national champions, Slammers HB Koge. Currently they’re 8th in the nation and 4th in California.

So I don’t know, but the parents I spoke to on the current roster seemed happy. And bad coaching won’t get you to playoffs.


LAFC has always been a decent team. 12th in the current rankings in California 41st in the nation right ahead of Beach ECRL. Last season they made it to playoffs but didn’t get out of group play. They also played state cup with all the other SoCal non-ecnl teams and won it going to national cup where they lost to Solar’s FDL team.

Like o said, I don’t know much about the current team / coach outside of they scrimmaged a local flight 1 team not too long ago and beat them 2-0 in a competitive match where LAFC scored early and held onto a 1-0 lead until the last few seconds of the scrimmage. Their record this year in ECNL is lackluster imo.

Maybe I got fooled by the Eagles parents and maybe I’m looking at game outcomes in reverse since everything I said was the complete opposite? Either way I wish you the best with whatever pathway you choose.
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Don't worry about it. A teams PAST record never tells the full story. Its why I keep making trips out and talking to everyone I can. Not too many ECNL options available out where ill be living. As for being fooled, people are usually blinded until a team starts struggling.
 
Saw the following on a u17 thread about Next...

"Even worse is they scheduled the third game for Friday which is a blackout period for D1 coaches due to the Final 4 so there will be no D1 coaches at your games. Oh and there are over 600 names in the transfer portal so a bunch of head coaches aren't there because they are staying home to do Zooms with potential transfers. "

Not sure why you have to have to stay home to do zooms. Seems like something that can be done anywhere.

So on the boys side players have to deal with playing in the right league, foreign (likely 24yr old+) academy washouts, other players your age around the nation, transfer portal players, and players on your own team. If you want to play soccer in college. Seems like a significant amount of competition for a limited number of spots.

Regarding girls I bet the transfer portal numbers keep going up. Players aren't being properly vetted at the youth level and talent is either being over looked or over hyped.
 
Carlsbad7 said:
You might want to choose a different example than Beach vs FRAM. There are several other ECNL teams that align with what you're trying to say.

I bet multiple Beach players and Parents have FRAM as a maybe.
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You're the one that picked this example. I'm only speaking to it since that's my area and my kids have tried out or play for both clubs. And there are zero starting Beach ECNL players that would consider going to Fram. Possibly those who are not getting enough playing time may consider.
 
rainbow_unicorn said:
You're the one that picked this example. I'm only speaking to it since that's my area and my kids have tried out or play for both clubs. And there are zero starting Beach ECNL players that would consider going to Fram. Possibly those who are not getting enough playing time may consider.
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You're contradicting yourself.

Which one is it? Players won't go to FRAM or players will go to FRAM?

Word of advise, any player that leaves your team for another is a bad. Unless your club/coach quickly replaces them with someone better.
 
Carlsbad7 said:
You're contradicting yourself.

Which one is it? Players won't go to FRAM or players will go to FRAM?

Word of advise, any player that leaves your team for another is a bad. Unless your club/coach quickly replaces them with someone better.
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There are zero starting Beach ECNL players that would consider going to Fram. Possibly those who are not getting enough playing time may consider leaving.
 
SuperSoccerStar said:
It’s just another team to try and make.
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How about the PDP games this weekend. I saw the SD chapter just a level above everyone else. Shut down all the other chapters including OC going 3-0 this weekend. I guess OC did not have enough to overcome SD. It starts to show where the best talent truly is. What you think?
 
Veritas said:
How about the PDP games this weekend. I saw the SD chapter just a level above everyone else. Shut down all the other chapters including OC going 3-0 this weekend. I guess OC did not have enough to overcome SD. It starts to show where the best talent truly is. What you think?
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I saw a lot of girls playing out of position so I take all of these results with a grain of salt. There’s also players who were with the second groups that should have been with the first groups.

For example, IE beat OC 2-1 but playing time was split and some notables were on the bench during the first half and came in the second half but there wasn’t enough time to over come being down 0-2 at the half.

SD vs OC was fun to watch. Looked like a very balanced match.

SD vs IE was lopsided towards SD. Coaches had players in very awkward positions (ie strikers playing CB and etc).

Silverlakes was especially gusty which was another contributing factor to game play where girls were clearing balls out of bounds and the ball would be blown back into the center of the field.

Either way it was great seeing all these great players all on the same field and that’s my take away from the PDP event.
 
Veritas said:
How about the PDP games this weekend. I saw the SD chapter just a level above everyone else. Shut down all the other chapters including OC going 3-0 this weekend. I guess OC did not have enough to overcome SD. It starts to show where the best talent truly is. What you think?
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There was some noticeable "creative" substitutions going on with team OC that definitely affected their play. I don't really know what the end goal is with the team they are creating but interested to see what it becomes and what they do. Seems like its going to basically be the Surf ECNL team though or at least the core of the team will be.
 
I think 12 Surf girls made it through to the next round. Legends had around 6. The end goal is to make the id2 national selection team and go on an international tour (similar to what the 09s did this past April).
 
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