This means...Sounds like AYSO, USYS, and US Club Soccer are all on the same page if they're releasing a joint statement.
You beat me to it. Just saw that emailUS Club Soccer, US Youth Soccer, AYSO statement on forthcoming U.S. Soccer decision regarding age group formation by school year vs. calendar year
US Club Soccer, US Youth Soccer and AYSO members and participants,
In 2017, U.S. Soccer decided to change age group formation by school year (Aug. 1-July 31) vs. calendar year (Jan. 1-Dec. 31). Since the change was made, we have been reviewing the impact on our sport, specifically for players of all ages and competitive levels.
Over the past few months, U.S. Soccer, at the request of its Technical Development Committee, has engaged in a review of that decision. We support these efforts and appreciate their approach to engage Organizational Members, leagues and clubs in collecting feedback. Additionally, US Youth Soccer, US Club Soccer and AYSO have solicited and shared additional feedback with one another in an effort to make the most informed and appropriate decision for our sport.
US Youth Soccer, US Club Soccer and AYSO have been in constant communication on the topic, recognizing the importance of consistency across the three biggest youth soccer organizations in America. US Youth Soccer’s and US Club Soccer’s leadership teams have met in person multiple times, most recently in September at the US Youth Soccer Grassroots Symposium in Salt Lake City. Additionally, we welcome the involvement of other U.S. Soccer Organizational Members.
We believe that any decisions should be made as a collective with as many youth organizations as possible, and it is our intention to do so.
As chair and vice chair of the U.S. Soccer Technical Development Committee and Youth Representatives on the Board of Directors, Mike Cullina (US Club Soccer CEO) and Louis Mateus (US Youth Soccer Board of Directors member) are directly involved in the conversation and recommendation to U.S. Soccer’s Board of Directors. As chair of the Youth Council and Youth Representative on the Board of Directors, Tina Rincon (US Youth Soccer Board of Directors chair) is also actively engaged.
The next U.S. Soccer Board of Directors meeting is Nov. 22, 2024. We expect this topic to be on the agenda for that meeting and, consequently, a formal and public decision by the end of the calendar year.
As always, thank you for your passion for the sport and commitment to our athletes.
Skip Gilbert
US Youth Soccer
Mike Cullina
US Club Soccer
Doug Ryan
AYSO National President
Statistically, they are bigger, faster, and smarter - assuming that as a child grows, all three qualities are moving in the right direction. It would probably be silly to assume that there was no difference. Of course individuals will vary, but that doesn't negate the law of averages. The key question is if those differences are significant enough to make a difference, or instead close enough to not matter a whole lot.So in the current Birthyear scenario, are the Jan-Sep older players better than the Oct-Dec younger players?
Here are some counterpoints to the reasons listed:This is one of the reasons I prefer BY. It works, its what most of the world uses, and it doesn't introduce variables like homeshoolers or redshirts. I realize that people are saying that it's SY but with a defined cutoff date of Aug 1st. Maybe I'm just cynical about youth soccer at this point but I don't believe clubs will be able to maintain the cutoff date without adding accommodations for exceptions. Over time exceptions will become the rule.
So maybe the assumption that ECNL was in the back room planning/leading all of this can stop being repeatedly regurgitated on this board by those with an anti-ECNL agenda. Of course they are in support of it - it sounds like most others may be as well.(from the posted email) Over the past few months, U.S. Soccer, at the request of its Technical Development Committee, has engaged in a review of that decision. We support these efforts and appreciate their approach to engage Organizational Members, leagues and clubs in collecting feedback. Additionally, US Youth Soccer, US Club Soccer and AYSO have solicited and shared additional feedback with one another in an effort to make the most informed and appropriate decision for our sport.
US Youth Soccer, US Club Soccer and AYSO have been in constant communication on the topic, recognizing the importance of consistency across the three biggest youth soccer organizations in America. US Youth Soccer’s and US Club Soccer’s leadership teams have met in person multiple times, most recently in September at the US Youth Soccer Grassroots Symposium in Salt Lake City. Additionally, we welcome the involvement of other U.S. Soccer Organizational Members.
Couldn’t everyone who falls under this new rule just “play up” ?
Is it such a bad thing to wait for an official statement?So maybe the assumption that ECNL was in the back room planning/leading all of this can stop being repeatedly regurgitated on this board by those with an anti-ECNL agenda. Of course they are in support of it - it sounds like most others may be as well.
"Excessively Pro GAL" is not necessarily anti-ECNL, but in the case of the user you're referring to, I think your wording is fineSo maybe the assumption that ECNL was in the back room planning/leading all of this can stop being repeatedly regurgitated on this board by those with an anti-ECNL agenda. Of course they are in support of it - it sounds like most others may be as well.
Teams don't choose though, clubs do. IMV, the clubs will accept the decision and rip the band-aid off immediately. They will not want this to be an issue for years by keeping teams together. That's what they did last time from what I saw and there were some grumbles but then everyone moved on as it wasn't going to change.Are clubs going to allow 2011's to play up in that division? Have a hard time believing that. Those are going to be the teams that are impacted the most. A team full of 2010's will likely choose to play together even if has some playing "up".
If that's all you think you were doing, then of course there isn't a problem with it.Is it such a bad thing to wait for an official statement?
Teams don't choose though, clubs do. IMV, the clubs will accept the decision and rip the band-aid off immediately. They will not want this to be an issue for years by keeping teams together. That's what they did last time from what I saw and there were some grumbles but then everyone moved on as it wasn't going to change.
Teams don't choose though, clubs do. IMV, the clubs will accept the decision and rip the band-aid off immediately. They will not want this to be an issue for years by keeping teams together. That's what they did last time from what I saw and there were some grumbles but then everyone moved on as it wasn't going to change.
Posing rumors as if they were true before different leagues made a statement?If that's all you think you were doing, then of course there isn't a problem with it.
Attacking the credibility of other posters, pretending that something wasn't obvious when it was, and accusing others of starting rumors and causing FOMO when you were doing the same throughout - those are things people might have a problem with.
It will depend on the level of the team/club.You could but it may not be in the best interests of some teams to do so or if clubs will even allow it for mixed teams.
Example: A boys 2010/2011 team will need to look at the roster as a whole. There will be 2010's that are on/after August 1st but then others that are before that date. If majority is before the date, then you look at the older division which would include 2009's.
Are clubs going to allow 2011's to play up in that division? Have a hard time believing that. Those are going to be the teams that are impacted the most. A team full of 2010's will likely choose to play together even if has some playing "up".
Sure, but you need everyone on board, and you need another club willing to accept your entire team. At lower levels that may work, as you are just cash to the club. At the top level, you are shit out of luck. No ECNL club will be dictated to by a bunch of parents. There are also winners and losers, so your starters are committed, but the rest, maybe not so much so. If the non-starters are on the younger side and will now probably be starters in the new grouping, they are gone.Yes and no. Teams can choose what they want to do, although your current club may not allow for that decision, there is always another club that is more than willing to take your team and allow them to come over together.
You were the one saying that they were saying they were posting the rumor as true. Not them. You don't see how that's an issue? See: self-awareness.Posing rumors as if they were true before different leagues made a statement?
You don't see how that's an issue?
Sure - but that seems pretty unlikely.Also the AYSO USYS and US Club statement doesn't mean BY to SY is in the bag. It does mean that if given the choice they would prefer isn't made by US Soccer that they could leave US Soccer and control 80% of youth players.
US Club Soccer sent out an email to coaches and staff today of our club stating that the next US Board of Directors meeting is on 11/22 and they anticipate this decision to be on the agenda, with a formal and public decision by the end of the calendar year.It's basically all the sanctioning bodies and US Soccer that discuss and theoretically vote on the results.
US Club Soccer = ECNL, SOCAL, others
USYS = E64
USSSA = GA, DPL, EA
MLS = MLSN
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I literally gave up on not posting rumors and went with the crowd because it didn't seem like people wanted confirmed info. Also it seemed like leagues were leaking info purposefully.You were the one saying that they were saying they were posting the rumor as true. Not them. You don't see how that's an issue? See: self-awareness.
Sure - but that seems pretty unlikely.
Oh correct.Sure, but you need everyone on board, and you need another club willing to accept your entire team. At lower levels that may work, as you are just cash to the club. At the top level, you are shit out of luck. No ECNL club will be dictated to by a bunch of parents. There are also winners and losers, so your starters are committed, but the rest, maybe not so much so. If the non-starters are on the younger side and will now probably be starters in the new grouping, they are gone.
For sure, and it also allows clubs to hit the coach reset button (saw this last time also), whereby they move them around and remove that parent/coach attachment, which makes it easier for the clubs to manage the change. At the end of the day, the clubs/coaches will just say "hate it too", "not my decision", "we're with you but ..." and then make the changes as otherwise they have to deal with it for multiple years and that really makes no sense from a club perspective tbh.Oh correct.
ECNL and that level, you’re at the mercy of the club. My response was more geared to that of SOCAL teams.
I think the other aspect is this gives a lot of players and families a chance to hit the escape button. So many players are worried about leaving a coach and how to go about it, some are about to find that reason.