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This means...
USSSA = GA, DPL, EA
MLS = MLSN
Other than DPL (who actually controls GA) and made a statement that they'd follow US Soccer's decision. The only big group that hasn't made a statement is MLSN
Love it or hate it either the largest majority of leagues will switch to SY or all leagues will switch to SY.
I'm sure US Soccer is pissed about being forced to backtrack on its decisions. Which will just come out in different ways in the future.
RandomSoccerFan
PREMIER
Statistically, they are bigger, faster, and smarter - assuming that as a child grows, all three qualities are moving in the right direction. It would probably be silly to assume that there was no difference. Of course individuals will vary, but that doesn't negate the law of averages. The key question is if those differences are significant enough to make a difference, or instead close enough to not matter a whole lot.
Right now groupings are done by year. It would be pretty silly to group teams three groups like this (Ages 6-10, 11-15, 16-20), as the differences within each group make it silly for a 6 year old to play with a 10 year old, or an 11 year old to play with a 15 year old. Similarly, it be pretty silly to have teams like this (Jan2011, Feb2011, Mar2011, Apr2011, May2011, etc) because there aren't enough kids available to have teams for every birth month. So most leagues landed on a year (though many rec clubs go by 2 years).
Here are some counterpoints to the reasons listed:
It works - Does it? It's been discussed in length the impact BY has on participation at the young ages, and on trapped players. One can choose to ignore or care because it doesn't apply to you, but it's happening. We can argue to what degree, but it's difficult to argue BY doesn't have a negative impact on participation.
Most of the world uses - Could have some merit but how? In what way does it help for the US to be aligned with most of the world? Is it just for national teams? If so, is that reason enough? The US soccer landscape is different than most of the world. For most of the world, soccer is #1. And often by a large margin. So BY vs SY may not have a whole lot of impact on participation rates. In the US, where soccer is clearly not #1, soccer as a sport is fighting for the hearts and minds of kids and parents when it comes to participation. So from a big picture perspective, wouldn't it be beneficial for soccer if the US does what's best for participation rate in the US?
Homeschoolers or Redshirts - This only really applies if the new system is based on grade level and not SY derived dates. Since most believe it will be the latter, this point is moot.
I think the biggest reason against the change is the disruption to the current system. Going from BY to SY will be shake up the ecosystem. Others have already pointed out how teams will be broken up. But what hasn't been discussed is the psychological impact this will have on some of these kids. Think of the Jan-July kids who now have to compete with older kids. Could this be a positive? Sure. But could the turmoil push some kids to quit. I wouldn't be surprised. So it begs the question - disrupt the system for the greater good in the long-run at the expense of causing immediate pain for some in the short-run?
RandomSoccerFan
PREMIER
So maybe the assumption that ECNL was in the back room planning/leading all of this can stop being repeatedly regurgitated on this board by those with an anti-ECNL agenda. Of course they are in support of it - it sounds like most others may be as well.
PurpleCrush
BRONZE
You could but it may not be in the best interests of some teams to do so or if clubs will even allow it for mixed teams.
Example: A boys 2010/2011 team will need to look at the roster as a whole. There will be 2010's that are on/after August 1st but then others that are before that date. If majority is before the date, then you look at the older division which would include 2009's.
Are clubs going to allow 2011's to play up in that division? Have a hard time believing that. Those are going to be the teams that are impacted the most. A team full of 2010's will likely choose to play together even if has some playing "up".
Is it such a bad thing to wait for an official statement?
If anything it forces leagues communicate with parents professionally instead of leaking rumors.
Noticer
SILVER
"Excessively Pro GAL" is not necessarily anti-ECNL, but in the case of the user you're referring to, I think your wording is fine
whatithink
GOLD
Teams don't choose though, clubs do. IMV, the clubs will accept the decision and rip the band-aid off immediately. They will not want this to be an issue for years by keeping teams together. That's what they did last time from what I saw and there were some grumbles but then everyone moved on as it wasn't going to change.
RandomSoccerFan
PREMIER
If that's all you think you were doing, then of course there isn't a problem with it.
Attacking the credibility of other posters, pretending that something wasn't obvious when it was, and accusing others of starting rumors and causing FOMO when you were doing the same throughout - those are things people might have a problem with.
PurpleCrush
BRONZE
Yes and no. Teams can choose what they want to do, although your current club may not allow for that decision, there is always another club that is more than willing to take your team and allow them to come over together.
PurpleCrush
BRONZE
Also in addition to this, I do agree band-aid will be ripped off quickly -- SOCAL clubs are all subject to tryout guidelines and now that will be impacted.
Posing rumors as if they were true before different leagues made a statement?
You don't see how that's an issue?
People were/are trying to use rumors to sway opinion.
Also the AYSO USYS and US Club statement doesn't mean BY to SY is in the bag. It does mean that if given the choice they would prefer isn't made by US Soccer that they could leave US Soccer and control 80% of youth players.
It will depend on the level of the team/club.
If the club is already socially focused, the values are just different. Kids are there to be with their friends. Take away the friends, and you no longer have a team. That makes keeping teams together a higher priority. Double that for clubs in rural areas.
For a high end comp team? They’ll move you where they need you. Don’t bother complaining about it.
whatithink
GOLD
Sure, but you need everyone on board, and you need another club willing to accept your entire team. At lower levels that may work, as you are just cash to the club. At the top level, you are shit out of luck. No ECNL club will be dictated to by a bunch of parents. There are also winners and losers, so your starters are committed, but the rest, maybe not so much so. If the non-starters are on the younger side and will now probably be starters in the new grouping, they are gone.
RandomSoccerFan
PREMIER
You were the one saying that they were saying they were posting the rumor as true. Not them. You don't see how that's an issue? See: self-awareness.
Sure - but that seems pretty unlikely.
Rollonyoubears
SILVER
US Club Soccer sent out an email to coaches and staff today of our club stating that the next US Board of Directors meeting is on 11/22 and they anticipate this decision to be on the agenda, with a formal and public decision by the end of the calendar year.
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I literally gave up on not posting rumors and went with the crowd because it didn't seem like people wanted confirmed info. Also it seemed like leagues were leaking info purposefully.
I agree that US Soccer is highly unlikely to not approve switching from BY to SY. When groups that represent 80% of the player pool want something they're probabaly going to get it.
I'm happy that leaders from the different groups made a statement so everyone can make plans and move on.
PurpleCrush
BRONZE
Oh correct.
ECNL and that level, you’re at the mercy of the club. My response was more geared to that of SOCAL teams.
I think the other aspect is this gives a lot of players and families a chance to hit the escape button. So many players are worried about leaving a coach and how to go about it, some are about to find that reason.
whatithink
GOLD
For sure, and it also allows clubs to hit the coach reset button (saw this last time also), whereby they move them around and remove that parent/coach attachment, which makes it easier for the clubs to manage the change. At the end of the day, the clubs/coaches will just say "hate it too", "not my decision", "we're with you but ..." and then make the changes as otherwise they have to deal with it for multiple years and that really makes no sense from a club perspective tbh.