Get ready folks

They already took DPL's top teams in SoCal with this ECRL2 league they created this year. The age change is just another way to get more teams under their umbrella and control them 365 days a year.
 
Bells said:
Yes...there will be a few trapped players. But it will eliminate 90% of the problem. Also- a big part of it is to keep participation in US soccer up. Kids are more likely to play with their schoolmates.

For those that believe: if a player is good they would be the one top teams anyways. 6-12 months makes a big difference. Just look at the rosters of the top teams. Do you really believe all the kids born August- December just happen to suck at soccer? Yes...it can push a good player to become great...(bc they are basically playing a year up)...but that same can be said for kids born in July going forward.

Either way..you will have a cutoff date and an RAE..but the point US Soccer is making is why not do it so we have less trapped players and increase participation rates. It will be one year of chaos and then back to normal...just like last time.
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Just to be clear...

The assumption that soccer participation rates will go up if players can play with other kids in their grade is an opinion. ECNL leadership shares this opinion and I believe said so on a podcast.

ECNL leadership is championing the proposal to move from BY to SY. US Soccer has not made a statement on the matter.

The way it works is that ECNL champions the proposal to US Club Soccer (ECNLs sanctioning group). Then US Club Soccer if they share ECNLs opinion will table the discussion with US Soccer. This is what's rumored to be happening in November.

People are starting rumors and passing them off as facts to try and create FOMO. They also believe that ECNL is negotiating in the background with different leagues so the decision will be made before the rumored Nov meeting. Which logically makes sense.

The reason everyone is talking about ECNL and SOCAL leagues is because they both use US Club Soccer for sanctioning and they represent a large number of players. In theory they can make things happen because together they're a majority.
 
SuperSoccerStar said:
This is all because ECNL wants to go younger and younger. They don't know what to do with these kids that are on "ECNL" teams and not in high school yet with the 3+ month break. This age change thing was started by the ECNL. If they can get this changed then they can go even younger with the teams and make even more money. I hope the other leagues realize this. ECNL is a business that needs to generate growth year after year. How do you do that? Get more customers.
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If all the leagues change from BY to SY at the same time nothing changes in respect to leagues and advantages gained by switching to SY.

If ECNL goes alone there will be definate advantages and you are correct the ECNL/GA turf wars will continue into the youngest youngers.

Leagues like SOCAL will be forced to make a decision. This might allow another league for youngers that's BY to take half of its member clubs.
 
Carlsbad7 said:
If all the leagues change from BY to SY at the same time nothing changes in respect to leagues and advantages gained by switching to SY.
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Not true. It fixes the 3 month gap problem that ECNL has right now for trapped players. The other leagues do not have the problem. If they let the change go through they are fixing a problem for ECNL which will allow them to go younger with all their teams.
 
RandomSoccerFan said:
The potential change affects kids born in 5 out of the 12 months. So 42% of all players are going to be able to make a choice with the new cut-off to try and stay with an older team or instead play with a younger team. There are certainly going to be those that choose one or the other to be best for them based on a variety of reasons.
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I don't know that all will be able to make a choice. I think there will be some involuntary shuffling depending on the players level, biological development, etc. In looking at my kids team, about half have Q3 or Q4 birth dates, but about half of them would likely stay with the olders and half would likely move to the youngers.
 
Scrub It Kook said:
I don't know that all will be able to make a choice. I think there will be some involuntary shuffling depending on the players level, biological development, etc. In looking at my kids team, about half have Q3 or Q4 birth dates, but about half of them would likely stay with the olders and half would likely move to the youngers.
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Of course. Regardless of what the kid's preference might be, the club certainly has their own opinions, and ultimately the kid either has to choose to agree or leave. However, their interests are aligned in that both want healthy, strong teams.
 
RandomSoccerFan said:
Of course. Regardless of what the kid's preference might be, the club certainly has their own opinions, and ultimately the kid either has to choose to agree or leave. However, their interests are aligned in that both want healthy, strong teams.
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I dont know that interests are aligned. Clubs are incentivized to juice short term wins at the cost of long term player development. Playing down as a result of new cutoffs might help close gaps in a team at the cost of what is best for that player.
 
Sure, which is why some disagreements might certainly show themselves. They aren't in lockstep, but interests for what's best for the club and for the individual are hopefully aligned more than opposed.
 
Derek1800 said:
I dont know that interests are aligned. Clubs are incentivized to juice short term wins at the cost of long term player development. Playing down as a result of new cutoffs might help close gaps in a team at the cost of what is best for that player.
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True- but that is the problem with US soccer in general.

By that standard - aren't the January birthdays hurt in the current setup? Bc they are forced to play down with younger kids.
 
Bells said:
True- but that is the problem with US soccer in general.

By that standard - aren't the January birthdays hurt in the current setup? Bc they are forced to play down with younger kids.
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Agree. It isn't an argument against SY. Just that parents shouldn't assume for this process that clubs interests in how to handle this are best aligned with what is best for their kid.
 
Bells said:
By that standard - aren't the January birthdays hurt in the current setup? Bc they are forced to play down with younger kids.
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No, these kids are playing with teammates that are for the most part in the same grade as they’re supposed to be. High school freshman will now be aligned with each other instead of having a team mixed with high schoolers and 8th graders like the current system is setup.

This translates to what aligns well for ECNL which is transitioning kids to college and having kids grouped together with their graduation class year instead of having mixed U19/U18 teams like we currently have.
 
Code said:
There are no rules about playing "up". Those players will have no problem as they can choose what is best for them.
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I love how casual everyone makes it sound... like players/parents can select the team they want from a menu. To be clear, no one can simply "choose" to play up; the CLUB chooses who they will invite to be on teams... the player can accept the bid on an older team or not. That's the only choice they have.
 
Offside no S said:
I love how casual everyone makes it sound... like players/parents can select the team they want from a menu. To be clear, no one can simply "choose" to play up; the CLUB chooses who they will invite to be on teams... the player can accept the bid on an older team or not. That's the only choice they have.
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Yeah, I saw this last time when they changed to BY. Parents were convinced that their teams would stay together (top teams) only to have their bubbles burst when the club (rightly) decided that the younger players were not as good as their competition (a year older) for spots.
 
Offside no S said:
I love how casual everyone makes it sound... like players/parents can select the team they want from a menu. To be clear, no one can simply "choose" to play up; the CLUB chooses who they will invite to be on teams... the player can accept the bid on an older team or not. That's the only choice they have.
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I agree to a point, but it's a sliding scale how much choice the player has compared to the club, that is pretty directly related to how talented/valuable the club thinks the kid is. If they are a standout, they will likely have much more influence on where they want/need to play. If they aren't getting much playtime now, they have to happily accept whatever the club offers.
 
Interesting article on this topic.

worldsoccertalk.com

US Soccer plots massive change that would affect youth system

The fractured youth system in US Soccer is subject to yet another change with the risk of breaking up existing teams. On Nov. 22, US Soccer will put a new ruling into effect that changes the age groups for soccer. Currently, the cutoff for each year is Jan. 1. In other words, those born from […]
worldsoccertalk.com worldsoccertalk.com

However, there are no sources sited by the author.
 
Carlsbad7 said:
Here's another...

www.insideworldfootball.com

US Soccer threatens its youth soccer eco-system with chaos over age-group date change - Inside World Football

October 22 – In 2016 the United States Soccer Federation finally fell in line with the world in regard to youth soccer age classification. The previous system using the school calendar (August 1st cutoff) was consigned to the scrap heap and the birth year January (1st cutoff) became the defining...
www.insideworldfootball.com www.insideworldfootball.com

No citations on this one etiher.
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@Carlsbad7 Did you write this?
 
Offside no S said:
I love how casual everyone makes it sound... like players/parents can select the team they want from a menu. To be clear, no one can simply "choose" to play up; the CLUB chooses who they will invite to be on teams... the player can accept the bid on an older team or not. That's the only choice they have.
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And how many kids do you know that actually play up? It’s normally only because their correct year team is not good. I can count on one hand the number of kids I know that play up. It’s not many at all.
 
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