For ECNL it basically aligns with college coaches I'd assume, and allows them to get in an extra team, i.e. no more U18/19, but now you have U18 (Juniors) and U19 (Seniors). It "cleans up" the recruiting process.Agreed, but I was thinking more within the context of ECNL aged kids, since it appears ECNL is behind the push for the change. I seriously doubt that ECNL is doing this for altruistic reasons to get more youngers to participate.
Are rec leagues using BY or SY cutoffs?
Way higher than 90% I'd say, assuming everything that is not ECNL/GA for girls and MLSN for boys is basically rec. (with both of the aforementioned not necessary elite either).True that. 90% of club is rec soccer.
"Beginning on Aug. 1, 2017, the way in which youth players in the United States register for youth soccer teams will be based on their year of birth. This new standard will help create clarity, improve understanding about developmental progress and enhance playing environments as a part of the U.S. Soccer Player Development Initiatives (PDI’s). "
Even for ECNL, I'd imagine they would have short and long-term growth strategies. While short-term likely drives most of their near-term tactics, I'd imagine increasing youth soccer participation would be part of their long-term strategy as that would mean a larger pool of customers.For ECNL it basically aligns with college coaches I'd assume, and allows them to get in an extra team, i.e. no more U18/19, but now you have U18 (Juniors) and U19 (Seniors). It "cleans up" the recruiting process.
Given the overwhelming minority of players are on ECNL/MLSN teams though, providing a platform where kids can naturally play with their school friends seems a reasonable goal.
That's when they went to the current system, now it will go back. I think?"Beginning on Aug. 1, 2017, the way in which youth players in the United States register for youth soccer teams will be based on their year of birth. This new standard will help create clarity, improve understanding about developmental progress and enhance playing environments as a part of the U.S. Soccer Player Development Initiatives (PDI’s). "
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I'm hearing it all over, "Oh our team will stay together either way!" No, your team will blow up, just like all of the others! If you like your kid's team, let US Soccer know, because what they are considering will destroy the existing teams.Yeah, I saw this last time when they changed to BY. Parents were convinced that their teams would stay together (top teams) only to have their bubbles burst when the club (rightly) decided that the younger players were not as good as their competition (a year older) for spots.
I was being sarcastic about it how it was supposed to "create clarity, improve understanding about developmental progress and enhance playing environments". We were in the middle of our soccer journey when the 2017 US Soccer PDI's were supposed to revolutionize player development in the US.That's when they went to the current system, now it will go back. I think?
I was being sarcastic about it how it was supposed to "create clarity, improve understanding about developmental progress and enhance playing environments". We were in the middle of our soccer journey when the 2017 US Soccer PDI's were supposed to revolutionize player development in the US.
It was more than just a cutoff date change, PDI's also included small-sided age groups, buildout line etc. No I didn't expect them to tell the truth and say it's going to be equivalent to "rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic". However, US Soccer and club soccer organizations keep making meaningless, and often disruptive, changes to make it look like their doing something while ignoring the major problems with youth soccer like horrific coaching. If anyone thinks ECNL is pushing this change to improve soccer in the US overall and not purely for their own self-interest than I have a brand new Rolex I will sell you for $100.What do you expect them to say?
“We moved to birth year to make life easier for YNT scouts. Now we’re moving back to school year to make life easier for college scouts.”
No, it isn’t a revolutionary change to improve player development. But school year is better for the vast majority who are in rec soccer, so I like it.
You may be right about that. As I mentioned before, I don't have a dog in this fight, and my opinion is based more on my cynicism about US youth soccer organizations, than anything else.But school year is better for the vast majority who are in rec soccer, so I like it.
I'm still waiting for a good explanation on why its changing. The trapped thing doesn't sell. Sorry.It was more than just a cutoff date change, PDI's also included small-sided age groups, buildout line etc. No I didn't expect them to tell the truth and say it's going to be equivalent to "rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic". However, US Soccer and club soccer organizations keep making meaningless, and often disruptive, changes to make it look like their doing something while ignoring the major problems with youth soccer like horrific coaching. If anyone thinks ECNL is pushing this change to improve soccer in the US overall and not purely for their own self-interest than I have a brand new Rolex I will sell you for $100.
Couldn’t everyone who falls under this new rule just “play up” ?The forcing part comes not directly from the clubs, but from the leagues that are sanctioning the competitions that the clubs put teams in. Player needs a valid player card for the season. Rules for obtaining that player card are X. Under no circumstances are any of the legitimate leagues going to go down the path where they no longer require current and valid player cards, as it starts to touch on all sorts of thorny issues including insurance and liability.
I was just joking around. Also everyone shouldn’t be on board parents will always look out for their kids and clubs will always look out for their bottom line. This change will shake up things in a big way for many parents and clubs.No, but as you can see not everyone is keen to change.
Om this site there's an echo chamber of mostly ECNL Girls parents.
This change will be very different than last time. Clubs do not have to move players or accept new players. However after the dust settles and a parent realizes they can get substantially more playing time going down to their school grade they will make that change. Some clubs/teams will stay together but they would be like a sinking ship. Eventually kids will leave and they will start replacing those kids with older kids.Do you think clubs will enforce this at all since it will disrupt teams or do you think they will be forced by US Soccer or another governing body to make clubs make the changes to their teams?
Theoretically they could, but would they be competitive and what would the club do if there are multiple Aug-Dec kids in the club from the year above who are just better players and who want to play on the team? I would expect clubs will comply and teams will break up and nobody will care in a year or two.Couldn’t everyone who falls under this new rule just “play up” ?
Why are they using July 31st and not Sept 1st which is when most school cutoffs are?Back to July 31st cut off for age groups is incoming next year or so. The responses will be glorious when that is announced!
The details aren't defined yet.Why are they using July 31st and not Sept 1st which is when most school cutoffs are?