Get ready folks

Carlsbad7 said:
The reason I'm saying it's a school year league is because the primary reason ECNL wants to make the change is because it addresses the trapped player issue (for the most part).
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You can speak for what ECNL's thinking with as much authority as I can speak for what ECNL's thinking (which is none). It's all speculation.
 
SuperSoccerStar said:
they allowed the "trapped" players to play the entire time during the high school break when their club team was playing high school. I'm convinced this is being supported by parents who have a child who will be able to move down a year.
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I looked back a couple of years and I'm pretty sure ECNL allowed players to play down during the high school season since the initial SY to BY change.

I dont believe parents lobbying for trapped players had any influence on the decision.
 
Carlsbad7 said:
As I said before this is where it all starts. It's also what the SY proponents are using to sell switching from BY to SY.

But just like now with all the squeaky wheel trapped player parents there's going to be squeaky wheel parents whos kid will be a year older then their classmates in school for multiple reasons.

Clubs will want these parents $$$ and they won't care if a player is older
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It's not allegedly changing to school year; it's changing to a different date range. You are incorrectly hung up on SY. Remove that and it's the same as now, with a different date range, just as it was before it changed to 1/1 to 12/31.
 
whatithink said:
It's not allegedly changing to school year; it's changing to a different date range. You are incorrectly hung up on SY. Remove that and it's the same as now, with a different date range, just as it was before it changed to 1/1 to 12/31.
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BTW there's a new rumor going around that to address different school start dates ECNL plans to allow clubs in different states to define their own cutoff dates.

This is just another way to address what I was describing. It will also create more waiver type situations as players move between states.
 
Carlsbad7 said:
How would a school year league address the following?

- kid started school a year late?
- kids school cutoff date is in September?
- kids school cutoff date is in June?
- kid was academically held back in school

While you're thinking about it. Most leagues address exceptions to the rules with a waiver process.
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Depends on whether the league goes by “graduation year” or “August 1”.

If they go with August 1, then you just look at the birth month and that’s your answer. Born 8/1/08-7/31/09? then you’re an 8/9, and can play 8/9 (or older.)

If they go “graduation year”, then all your questions become important and it depends on how they wrote the policy. The general rule would be that Freshmen play with Freshmen and Sophomores play with Sophomores. Exception that kids who skipped a grade would probably not be required to play with the older kids

And, if they go grad year, they will have to figure out what to do with homeschooled kids. Homeschool parents are used to being able to declare their own grade level. That doesn’t work for sports age groupings. (A homeschool parent with a 12 year old “freshman” is not a big deal, but you don’t really want a 16 year old boy in your “freshman” league because his tiger dad thinks he found a loophole.)
 
Carlsbad7 said:
Have you listened to ECNLs podcast reguarding this topic?
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I hadn't. I now have. (link to specific podcast, ~ 3 min mark to ~ 10 min mark)

ECNL president says a couple things in response to a question about this potential switch. They are getting more feedback from club operators and related parties over time that while there would be short-term chaos, there is a long-term benefit to switching back to SY from BY. Survey results they've also seen show 50/50 for/against, with most of the against due to the chaos, not because it's a bad idea in a vacuum. He says that while ECNL could probably the change alone, it would make it so challenging for the rest of the ecosystem and club operators, that they almost certainly wouldn't make the change unless a significant majority of leagues all made the same change as well. He also does point to trapped players as a problem that this would fix.

So he, and ECNL, are certainly positive on this potential change, but not sure any of us are learning anything we don't already know - so we'll see what happens in the short-term.
 
Carlsbad7 said:
BTW there's a new rumor going around that to address different school start dates ECNL plans to allow clubs in different states to define their own cutoff dates.

This is just another way to address what I was describing. It will also create more waiver type situations as players move between states.
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I thought you were against people spreading unfounded rumors. I don't believe you. Post your source.
 
Jamisfoes said:
A lot of trapped players are going to be disappointed. If you have the technical skills and determination, size doesn’t matter in soccer.
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We have a couple who like the team they are on and wouldn't want to switch. But if this change happens, they will now have to compete with kids born August through December the entire year before them for their current roster spots. It seems like now they would be at a bigger disadvantage instead of being helped.
 
There's a difference between saying.

Here's a rumor about an option being discussed.

And...

Here's a rumor that's guaranteed to happen because I think it will.

As an example the BY to SY change rumor was a lock for happening in Aug, then it slipped to Oct, then Nov. The number of leagues participating in the change shifts from everyone to maybe only ECNL. Finally if a change is agreed to implementation shifts from the second half of 24/25 to over the next two years.

The only substantiated info is that ECNL leadership wants to change from BY to SY. DPL has confirmed that talks between different leagues on switching from BY to SY is occurring and that DPL will abide by US Soccer's decision on the matter.
 
amuseinla said:
We have a couple who like the team they are on and wouldn't want to switch. But if this change happens, they will now have to compete with kids born August through December the entire year before them for their current roster spots. It seems like now they would be at a bigger disadvantage instead of being helped.
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The potential change affects kids born in 5 out of the 12 months. So 42% of all players are going to be able to make a choice with the new cut-off to try and stay with an older team or instead play with a younger team. There are certainly going to be those that choose one or the other to be best for them based on a variety of reasons.
 
RandomSoccerFan said:
Nobody's saying that. In most cases you're saying that they are saying that to try and discredit them.
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I'm not going to go through this thread to find all it's going to happen guaranteed comments.

Call it discrediting if you want. My issue is that a BY to SY change is not guaranteed for anyone other than ECNL. Assuming leadership chooses to go SY even if everyone else chose not to.
 
You attacked someone repeatedly for sharing rumors.

You then did it yourself.

If it were still shameful to be hypocritical, that would be a problem - but the good news is that many clearly feel it's no longer a problem.
 
RandomSoccerFan said:
You attacked someone repeatedly for sharing rumors.

You then did it yourself.

If it were still shameful to be hypocritical, that would be a problem - but the good news is that many clearly feel it's no longer a problem.
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Sigh... As I said before there's a difference between sharing a rumor by itself and sharing a rumor while also pretending that it's a fact.
 
amuseinla said:
I honestly don't understand what problem this change really solves. There are a fair number of kids who play up so they don't (and won't with the change) match the assumed graduating year of their teammates. And there are kids whose parents chose to hold them back and start school a year later, so they wouldn't match the assumed graduating year of their teammates with the change. So even with this change one still can't assume every kid on a team is graduating the same year.
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Yes...there will be a few trapped players. But it will eliminate 90% of the problem. Also- a big part of it is to keep participation in US soccer up. Kids are more likely to play with their schoolmates.

For those that believe: if a player is good they would be the one top teams anyways. 6-12 months makes a big difference. Just look at the rosters of the top teams. Do you really believe all the kids born August- December just happen to suck at soccer? Yes...it can push a good player to become great...(bc they are basically playing a year up)...but that same can be said for kids born in July going forward.

Either way..you will have a cutoff date and an RAE..but the point US Soccer is making is why not do it so we have less trapped players and increase participation rates. It will be one year of chaos and then back to normal...just like last time.
 
amuseinla said:
We have a couple who like the team they are on and wouldn't want to switch. But if this change happens, they will now have to compete with kids born August through December the entire year before them for their current roster spots. It seems like now they would be at a bigger disadvantage instead of being helped.
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Isn't that the same as the kids born in August- December now? They are playing against kids 7-12 months older.

If you have a January-July Birthday and they are good...it won't change anything. If not...they eventually get moved the team B team...which means they were never really that good..they were just older.
 
This is all because ECNL wants to go younger and younger. They don't know what to do with these kids that are on "ECNL" teams and not in high school yet with the 3+ month break. This age change thing was started by the ECNL. If they can get this changed then they can go even younger with the teams and make even more money. I hope the other leagues realize this. ECNL is a business that needs to generate growth year after year. How do you do that? Get more customers.
 
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