Get ready folks

That makes much more sense. Is there a link to the proposal?

Thanks.
LoL absolutely not - this will all be back-room until the very last possible second and announcement. The last thing these businesses want is for the customers to know their intent before they have a plan. Maybe they might want to do some Customer research and get some feedback? No way! Not how these cronies work.

Look around you, and whatever parents feel like they can scheme and get ahead with the little nuggets of information they have? they sure will in the interest of their own kid.

I've already heard of ECNL coaches holding grade-level (8/1 to 7/31) based group sessions. Are you invited? If not, you should start asking.
 
LoL absolutely not - this will all be back-room until the very last possible second and announcement. The last thing these businesses want is for the customers to know their intent before they have a plan. Maybe they might want to do some Customer research and get some feedback? No way! Not how these cronies work.

Look around you, and whatever parents feel like they can scheme and get ahead with the little nuggets of information they have? they sure will in the interest of their own kid.

I've already heard of ECNL coaches holding grade-level (8/1 to 7/31) based group sessions. Are you invited? If not, you should start asking.
I heard Surf held a parent meeting before last week's game.
 
If the game is kick ball, then yes, 100%. Possession style, not so much.
How important is sprinting in soccer? Depends on how high a level you want to play. The Premier League is by far the most sprint intensive.

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i still don't understand the need to go back to your school year. I keep hearing these "trapped" players but again all the "trapped" players I'm around are in a great position. Its like they have an extra year for everything. They are getting extra year for scouts looking at them on their 2010 club team. How is this a bad thing. If your on a 2010 team right now with 9th graders and your 8th grade your going to get an extra year of coaches looking at you. How is that a disadvantage for them? All the 9th graders on the team are fighting for a spot on varsity right now in high school and they are chilling getting extra training etc. because they are in 8th grade. Please explain why these trapped players have this massive disadvantage and we need to change everything up because of it? If your going to tell me they get screwed their senior year or last year of club save it because the good players were locked in for college their sophomore or latest junior year and who cares about senior year of high school or last year of club. This change must be a way to make more money somehow. There's no way its being done for the kids benefit.
Maybe go back to the begining of the thread and read it again. Trapped players have disadvantages in 8th Grade, 9th Grade, 10th Grade 11th Grade, 12th Grade. What problems are caused for players by having the year groups defined by Grade Year?
 
If they go with straight graduation, you’re going to have parents (and coaches) hold kids back so their kid can win games.

Just what we need. A 10 year old playing against 8 year olds, while his dad yells at him to “be aggressive”.
That won't work.
what I'm saying is all these NIL judgments and NCAA changes is making it harder and harder for kids to get into a college and play their sport. If they make it too hard to get into college by playing a sport/grades then kids will forget the sport part and just focus on grades which means all these ECNL leagues and all their money is going to go bye bye. Look at what happened this year with the roster rules. Poor kids that had verbal's years ago had them pulled and they had to start all over because when it came time to officially sign this year their roster spot was no more. Imagine if that was your kid.
Sports being a factor in Education is
what I'm saying is all these NIL judgments and NCAA changes is making it harder and harder for kids to get into a college and play their sport. If they make it too hard to get into college by playing a sport/grades then kids will forget the sport part and just focus on grades which means all these ECNL leagues and all their money is going to go bye bye. Look at what happened this year with the roster rules. Poor kids that had verbal's years ago had them pulled and they had to start all over because when it came time to officially sign this year their roster spot was no more. Imagine if that was your kid.
Imagine choosing a degree or school based on a game you play, and not on your academic interests or carrer potential.
 
Ridiculous idea as you will now have players with 2 year age gaps playing together because someone was held back a year or started school late. Makes it easy for college recruiting but US Soccer doesn't care about that.
How did you came to this conclusion? Moving the cut off day to July 31 from Jan 01 doesn't add more than 365 days to a year.
 
In terms of kids dropping out of soccer... Isn't this true not only for soccer but for a lot of youth sports... or even a lot of youth extracurricular activities (music, theatre, arts, etc) in general?

14 is a prime age... for wanting to hang out with the boys/girls... date... and not having to do those extra trainings... and go to sleep early on Friday nights... for an 8a games on Saturdays...
Yes, but nothing close to the extent of soccer.

Most kids that are good athletes, are going to take the opportunity to play multiple sports in high school in front of their friends instead of playing soccer year round in front their parents.

Most of my sons teammates on his U15 MLS Next team no longer play club soccer and about half have given up soccer entirely.
 
What's coming is the adjustment to, basically, graduation year. Not July 31 cutoff. Being voted on at the end of November by US Soccer although it sounds like it's pretty much a done deal.
Ridiculous idea as you will now have players with 2 year age gaps playing together because someone was held back a year or started school late. Makes it easy for college recruiting but US Soccer doesn't care about that.
It will cause teams to blowup. Again. Worst idea in the history of bad ideas by US Soccer. But it sounds like it's coming.
What do you mean by “basically graduation year” it would either be new month cut offs 8/1-7/31 or what grade is this kid in regardless of birth year. Two very different things. I know ECNL wants graduation year or what grade a kid is in. But haven’t heard of the governing bodies want to go along with that.
 
If they go with straight graduation, you’re going to have parents (and coaches) hold kids back so their kid can win games.

Just what we need. A 10 year old playing against 8 year olds, while his dad yells at him to “be aggressive”.
I’ve heard it would only be Grad Year for high school grades. Everything else would have new cut offs dates. But this is all up in the air until we hear what happens at us club soccer meeting in a few weeks.
 
I’ve heard it would only be Grad Year for high school grades. Everything else would have new cut offs dates. But this is all up in the air until we hear what happens at us club soccer meeting in a few weeks.

Works ok on the girls side.

I’m not so sure that a 13 year old boy who skipped a grade really belongs in the same division as 15 year olds who were held back. That ends up looking like the age bands you see in basketball. Kids will quit just because they don’t like getting smacked around every weekend.

Doubly bad if they keep their weak definitions of gender barriers. We’ll get on field collisions between 13 year old girls and 15 year old boys.
 
How did you came to this conclusion? Moving the cut off day to July 31 from Jan 01 doesn't add more than 365 days to a year.
Also different school districts across the nation have different cutoff dates for when kids start school.

It doesn't matter where you make the cutoff date there's going to be situations where there's trapped players. By changing from Jan 1st to Aug 1st there's just much less trapped players.

For me I don't care either way. Personally I think Jan 1st makes the most sense because everyone is currently in alignment with it.
 
I’ve heard it would only be Grad Year for high school grades. Everything else would have new cut offs dates. But this is all up in the air until we hear what happens at us club soccer meeting in a few weeks.
This tells me that ECNL wants to make a change but doesn't have everyone's buy in.

If ECNL went it alone on the change it would ruin tournaments for olders.
 
This tells me that ECNL wants to make a change but doesn't have everyone's buy in.

If ECNL went it alone on the change it would ruin tournaments for olders.
Calendar year never made sense for ECNL (girls) given the college path is their whole reason for existing/selling. A switch back to the 8/1 cutoff would work for 99%+ of their players, and the college coaches etc.

They give no Fs about tournaments. Their showcases would still work just fine. Any extra tournaments ECNL teams enter would either run special "elite" ECNL brackets or just play ECNL teams up - this happens all the time now anyway.
 
Calendar year never made sense for ECNL (girls) given the college path is their whole reason for existing/selling. A switch back to the 8/1 cutoff would work for 99%+ of their players, and the college coaches etc.

They give no Fs about tournaments. Their showcases would still work just fine. Any extra tournaments ECNL teams enter would either run special "elite" ECNL brackets or just play ECNL teams up - this happens all the time now anyway.
You're probably correct about ECNL not caring about anyone but ECNL.

However clubs make A LOT of $$$ running tournaments. Does it make financial sense to give all that tournamant $$$ to ECNL by letting them take over the market with showcases? If ECNL makes the switch to grade level groupings non ECNL clubs (that aren't grade level grouping) will not participate in ECNL club tournaments.

I like that Surf Cup, Blues Cup, etc have clubs from all different leagues and geographies participating. I also like that when we participate in club sponsored tournaments that I know a large chunk of the money spent goes to the host club.
 
You're probably correct about ECNL not caring about anyone but ECNL.

However clubs make A LOT of $$$ running tournaments. Does it make financial sense to give all that tournamant $$$ to ECNL by letting them take over the market with showcases? If ECNL makes the switch to grade level groupings non ECNL clubs (that aren't grade level grouping) will not participate in ECNL club tournaments.

I like that Surf Cup, Blues Cup, etc have clubs from all different leagues and geographies participating. I also like that when we participate in club sponsored tournaments that I know a large chunk of the money spent goes to the host club.

ECNL is already big enough to give a Fs to any club, including Surf. Grad year will benefit ECNL and make it more exclusive. I think that is what they want. It will be Fall 2025. I am not surprised they also allow the change when league resumes next Spring.
 
ECNL is already big enough to give a Fs to any club, including Surf. Grad year will benefit ECNL and make it more exclusive. I think that is what they want. It will be Fall 2025. I am not surprised they also allow the change when league resumes next Spring.
ECNL tried that back in 2017, and all the top clubs in Socal told ECNL to F off and went to the new GDA. It was the GDA that forced us to switch from 8/1 to 1/1. All the teams our kids had been on for a few years were blown up and it will happen again. Some girls like to play alone and kick against a wall and have a personal trainer and no real team. However, 99% of the girls play soccer for fun, to be on a team and have get togethers, parties and then go compete. This sport is not about team, trust me. ECNL begged Surf to stay with them in 2017 and they almost did because I was there and told by the higher ups that high school sports is supper important to the kids of America. GDA and ECNL told Surf they would be second tier if they didn't put their top team with their league and if they didn't don't obey, they would be kicked to the curb. They got one team for ECNL the first year to change their minds. After the first season, they were told by ECNL, "either put your first team with us, or your out." They went full time GDA. That's the kind of power these bosses have. WHO are one's who get mentally hurt by all these changes? Yup, the girls.
 
ECNL tried that back in 2017, and all the top clubs in Socal told ECNL to F off and went to the new GDA. It was the GDA that forced us to switch from 8/1 to 1/1. All the teams our kids had been on for a few years were blown up and it will happen again. Some girls like to play alone and kick against a wall and have a personal trainer and no real team. However, 99% of the girls play soccer for fun, to be on a team and have get togethers, parties and then go compete. This sport is not about team, trust me. ECNL begged Surf to stay with them in 2017 and they almost did because I was there and told by the higher ups that high school sports is supper important to the kids of America. GDA and ECNL told Surf they would be second tier if they didn't put their top team with their league and if they didn't don't obey, they would be kicked to the curb. They got one team for ECNL the first year to change their minds. After the first season, they were told by ECNL, "either put your first team with us, or your out." They went full time GDA. That's the kind of power these bosses have. WHO are one's who get mentally hurt by all these changes? Yup, the girls.
Yup, if a big club like Surf switched to GA to keep local club tournaments like Surf Cup from going to ECNL via showcases it would deflate ECNLs sails.

We'll see how things go.
 
Yup, if a big club like Surf switched to GA to keep local club tournaments like Surf Cup from going to ECNL via showcases it would deflate ECNLs sails.

We'll see how things go.
Yup, Surf is the Mothership of a few rich dads who pilot that ship. Karma coming to them very soon. They had to eliminate Blues by having one of the rich parents (who happened to have a position on the board) buy Blues players. This took poaching to a whole nether level. Surf higher ups told me they were going to stay with ECNL, but they chickened out. I told them 99% of the girls want to play high school soccer and they agreed. I have the texts bro. If they stayed with ECNL, Blues would have as well because Blues was 100% against GDA. You keep those two teams from GDA, then it would have been a second-tier league with Legends and Beach at the top. ECNL was arrogant and a closed league at the time and they blew it and all the girls suffered except the top, top 1%, if that.
 
As a US track coach that is also involved in youth soccer I can confidently say that most soccer coaches don't know how to train and develope speed and agility. It's a shame.

There is nothing special about soccer. Sprint mechanics is sprint mechanics regardless of sports. +90% of the game is played without the ball.

You get a few kids that work on sprint mechanics, agility, and ankle stiffness. Their athleticism will be noticeable better than their peers who are flat footed. I have seen this first hand. Same soccer skills but the fast player makes the team.
Hey Coach, I hear you… 🫡 & you make a solid point that speed and athleticism are huge advantages in any sport…. Totally 💯 But when it comes to soccer, applying pure track sprint mechanics is like putting a Formula 1 engine in a rally car 😆 Sure, it’s powerful and fast, but it’s going to struggle on dirt roads and hairpin turns. Let’s dive into why soccer running mechanics are a different beast…

Track mechanics emphasize longer strides, straight-line acceleration, and top speed maintenance. This makes total sense when you’re running down a straight lane with nothing but empty space in front of you. But in soccer, most of the action isn’t about speed in a straight line. It’s about managing acceleration, deceleration, quick turns, and being ready to stop and switch directions constantly often in response to an opponent's unpredictable moves… this is 🔑 why mechanics are different applying to attacking and defending.

Imagine telling a track runner to handle a tight curve at 90% of their top speed. What happens? That stride length and high center of gravity work against them. They’ll either slow down drastically or risk wiping out. The same thing happens on the pitch. A soccer player sprinting at full-throttle like a track athlete will struggle to decelerate and change direction quickly. They’ll lose balance, be late on the play, or get beaten because they’re overcommitted.

Soccer players need a lower center of gravity, shorter strides, and more stability…think more like a rally car that handles quick turns, accelerates out of tight spots, and slams the brakes instantly when needed. Those pure sprint mechanics might make a player fast, but they can also make them less agile and more prone to injury. Try telling a Formula 1 car to make a quick U-turn on a gravel road 🤔 it’s going to spin out.

That’s why gait and stride aren’t as much of a focus in soccer. Soccer players need to run with a bit more flex in their knees, a slightly hunched posture, and shorter steps so they can adjust in a split second. We’re not talking about 90% of the game played without the ball in a straight line. We’re talking about managing the constant stop-and-go chaos that is the heart of ⚽

Now, don’t get me wrong, there are areas where track mechanics help. Teaching soccer players proper arm drive, ankle stiffness, and force production are definitely valuable when running without the ball. But pushing long strides, straight line speed, and pure top end sprinting without considering the actual context of the game? It’s like giving a rally car driver lessons on how to handle a drag strip it’s quite helpful, but not when they’re dodging boulders and taking hairpin turns every few seconds.

Bottom line: you’re right that speed matters, but the context changes everything. It’s not about whether pure sprint mechanics are effective but it’s about whether they’re relevant… Soccer players are rally cars, not Formula 1 racers. If we train them like track athletes without adapting to the realities of the game, we’re doing them a disservice. They’ll be fast…sure until they have to turn, stop, or pivot and then they’ll be left in the dust.
 
You're probably correct about ECNL not caring about anyone but ECNL.

However clubs make A LOT of $$$ running tournaments. Does it make financial sense to give all that tournamant $$$ to ECNL by letting them take over the market with showcases? If ECNL makes the switch to grade level groupings non ECNL clubs (that aren't grade level grouping) will not participate in ECNL club tournaments.

I like that Surf Cup, Blues Cup, etc have clubs from all different leagues and geographies participating. I also like that when we participate in club sponsored tournaments that I know a large chunk of the money spent goes to the host club.
ECNL would not be taking over tournaments. Their showcases are already mandated and where college coaches will go to watch the best players. The clubs can run their tournaments and will cater for the ECNL teams as they want them in the tournies to attract other teams.

Yup, if a big club like Surf switched to GA to keep local club tournaments like Surf Cup from going to ECNL via showcases it would deflate ECNLs sails.

We'll see how things go.
There is zero chance of any club leaving ECNL over this ,inc Surf. The latter went back to ECNL after the GDA debacle and dropped boys DA rather than stay outside of girls ECNL - that showed the "power" ECNL has on the girls side.
 
ECNL would not be taking over tournaments. Their showcases are already mandated and where college coaches will go to watch the best players. The clubs can run their tournaments and will cater for the ECNL teams as they want them in the tournies to attract other teams.


There is zero chance of any club leaving ECNL over this ,inc Surf. The latter went back to ECNL after the GDA debacle and dropped boys DA rather than stay outside of girls ECNL - that showed the "power" ECNL has on the girls side.
We'll see what happens you never know.

If ECNL changes to an Aug 1 cutoff date by themself Surf Cup will only be ECNL teams. Assuming it also follows the Aug 1 cutoff. Leagues that stick with calender year would be at a 5-6 month disadvantage and won't attend ECNL tournaments.

You speak in absolutes without anything to back it up other than saying "ECNL". This change could dramatically affect the amount of money Surf makes with tournaments at the polo fields. Again this is assuming ECNL switched to a Aug 1 cutoff date but everyone else stayed with Jan 1.

If all the other leagues switched to Aug 1 with ECNL then no big deal and everything works out
 
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