D1 college soccer under threat

vegasguy said:
No I am saying that is what they sold it as. We are a diverse and large country. The top 2-5% is spread out so thin it is impossible to consolidate the squads. You would need residence and school and infrastructure. An 04 Keeper in Vegas, 04 Winger in San Diego, 04 Striker in OC, 04 Defender in PHX all in one place? How? Now the players mentioned are just random and not mentioning any one individual except for the 04 Keeper from Vegas (she is badass). Even in the southwest which is one of the best regions for soccer talent it is so disperse. Who funds it?

@MacDre the MLS is going to struggle to survive for a bit how do you propose they fund the NWSL ( I agree women playing for men is a great idear). Not every MLS club has NWSL. The TV contracts of the MLS can not support the league much like the NBA TV contract helps fund the WNBA. I wish it were true but financially difficult unless you lower salaries for all across the board and the MLS CBA has not broken the MLS philosophy of closed market. I know a player who played in Spain professionally. She makes more a first year firefighter in Vegas.
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First of all, the Keeper in Vegas is 100% badass and is the top GK according to my little one. Dam, she stopped two opportunities from my goat when we played that Heat team. I was trying to calm my little one down on the way home because she didn;t finish both shots and we tied again. I think Vegas, Utah and AZ should have two teams combined. It's more like maybe top 10% who think they can be top 2%. Socal can have four teams. Norcal 2. 8 team league fully funded. The rest play ECNL and GAL? I know it will never happen but I think it would be cool to dream about. The more girls playing soccer the better and I support the ECNL and the GAL. Maybe just get the goats together more often and no more, "my league is better than your league." Good talk coach
 
vegasguy said:
No I am saying that is what they sold it as. We are a diverse and large country. The top 2-5% is spread out so thin it is impossible to consolidate the squads. You would need residence and school and infrastructure. An 04 Keeper in Vegas, 04 Winger in San Diego, 04 Striker in OC, 04 Defender in PHX all in one place? How? Now the players mentioned are just random and not mentioning any one individual except for the 04 Keeper from Vegas (she is badass). Even in the southwest which is one of the best regions for soccer talent it is so disperse. Who funds it?

@MacDre the MLS is going to struggle to survive for a bit how do you propose they fund the NWSL ( I agree women playing for men is a great idear). Not every MLS club has NWSL. The TV contracts of the MLS can not support the league much like the NBA TV contract helps fund the WNBA. I wish it were true but financially difficult unless you lower salaries for all across the board and the MLS CBA has not broken the MLS philosophy of closed market. I know a player who played in Spain professionally. She makes more a first year firefighter in Vegas.
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My logic is simple. I would say most don’t get rich by being dumb. So if you have smart rich investors paying over $300 million for a franchise fee for an MLS team, there’s money somewhere and lots of it.
 
Ellejustus said:
First of all, the Keeper in Vegas is 100% badass and is the top GK according to my little one. Dam, she stopped two opportunities from my goat when we played that Heat team. I was trying to calm my little one down on the way home because she didn;t finish both shots and we tied again. I think Vegas, Utah and AZ should have two teams combined. It's more like maybe top 10% who think they can be top 2%. Socal can have four teams. Norcal 2. 8 team league fully funded. The rest play ECNL and GAL? I know it will never happen but I think it would be cool to dream about. The more girls playing soccer the better and I support the ECNL and the GAL. Maybe just get the goats together more often and no more, "my league is better than your league." Good talk coach
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Coach raises a valid issue regarding geography. That’s why MLS needs to step up so those widely dispersed top %10 would be developed by the pro team in their region. U15 to first train together. Simple. Not rocket science folks.
 
MacDre said:
My logic is simple. I would say most don’t get rich by being dumb. So if you have smart rich investors paying over $300 million for a franchise fee for an MLS team, there’s money somewhere and lots of it.
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If the investment was sound there would be more of it. Women get a bump in interest right after WWC and then it fades and then bumps and fades. It is sad. Look the Glaziers are struggling to maintain WMNU and their club is worth billions. I am not saying groups should not do it. I wish they would.
 
MacDre said:
Coach raises a valid issue regarding geography. That’s why MLS needs to step up so those widely dispersed top %10 would be developed by the pro team in their region. U15 to first train together. Simple. Not rocket science folks.
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I agree with both of you btw
 
vegasguy said:
Vegas is the old USA of the 80's and 90's. We seem to build badass keepers JB is one of many. They seem to come from the same keeper coach lately.
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I'm more impressed with her being a great kid, roll model, student, great parents and one badass GK. That right there will take you far.
 
Ellejustus said:
I'm more impressed with her being a great kid, roll model, student, great parents and one badass GK. That right there will take you far.
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All so true and a great family on top of it. USC is lucky to get her. Her and my son train together, root for each other and support each other.

@MacDre and she is the reason college needs soccer. Her parents are both D1 College athletes I believe also.
 
vegasguy said:
All so true and a great family on top of it. USC is lucky to get her. Her and my son train together, root for each other and support each other.

@MacDre and she is the reason college needs soccer. Her parents are both D1 College athletes I believe also.
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I think in the old system, JB is everything 99% of the parents and coaches wanted from club, which was a D1 deal. That is awesome and I love!!!. I'm not trying to put down college. Please, understand, I love college and college sports. However, for a select few like a JB or an 04' winger in LA, let them have a pathway outside of college if they so choose. JB is a lot like my dd probably and loves school and all the social stuff with being on a team. If my dd had the choice ((a big if too)), she would pick college. I'm just not sure we will win as a country and that has always been what I'm about. I want country to win first and then my dd.
 
Ellejustus said:
She's a stud, ((yes, I've seen her play and @Luis Andres #2 has some work today if wants to go pro too)) like my kid and other kids like OM and AT, and AC, SS, MP and all the other greats. 2%ters are what their called and his goat is obviously one them. He's a smart dad. Question dads: Who would put their top player goat through this meat grinder in Socal? This is appalling and disturbing all in one and I'm embarrassed I spent so much time and money sometimes. Let's applaud the Lad and his dd for wanting to go pro. Go Pro all the way!!!!
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since you called me out, I’m using my last post I had free this month for the covid19 free post forum fund. While he’s right in saying that most 12 year old studs don’t equate to being studs later. There is a lot more that has to do with the mental aspect of the player after that age that determines how far they may get aside from all the talent. For me, identifying talent in young ages comes down to their natural ability to move and also control the ball. Can they move well at young ages is key & with soccer speed. Do they have impressive accelerations and decelerations ? etc. My DD has become very technical for her age, she’s developed from a possession background but she has always moved well and she’s always had soccer speed. Trust me if she did not have the physical abilities that she has accompanied with the enthusiasm to train, I wouldn’t be wasting my time. Now the puberty part. Well if she ends up like her mom then it will not be a problem later... She should keep her athleticism. They have the same body type... no big hips, no big breasts to get in the way... super athletic.

To answer your question. My mom is not as athletic as my wife but she does not have big breasts or wide hips either. My daughter has my wife’s body and athleticism. Perks of a platinum member even when I’ve ran out of posts for the month.


Mom:
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Luis Andres said:
since you called me out, I’m using my last post I had free this month. While he’s right in saying that most 12 year old studs don’t equate to being studs later. There is a lot more that has to do with the mental aspect of the player after that age that determines how far they may get aside from all the talent. For me, identifying talent in young ages comes down to their natural ability to move. Can they move well at young ages is key. Do they have soccer speed? etc. My DD has become very technical for her age, she’s developed from a possession background but she has always moved well and she’s always had soccer speed. Trust me if she did not have the physical abilities that she has, I wouldn’t be wasting my time. Now the puberty part. Well if she ends up like her mom then it will not be a problem later...They have the same body type... no big hips, no big breasts to get in the way... super athletic

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What about your mom bro? That matters in some DNA girls I was told. May begins in a two days so do i have to wait for a reply bro? BTW, nice foot work. Way a head of my goat when she was younger. My buddy told me_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________-and that's all they look at!!!
 
MacDre said:
I think I’d be okay if college soccer disappeared forever because I do not see the benefit. The games are not entertaining. The style of play is not good for development. Most people on this forum openly admit that it’s about the university and not soccer so, those folks can play club soccer in college and focus on academics.
Also, MLS/NWSL would be forced to figure out a better development pathway for kids who’s priority is soccer if college soccer goes away. Could someone please tell why loosing college soccer is a bad thing? Are people just scared of change?
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MacDre said:
I think I’d be okay if college soccer disappeared forever because I do not see the benefit. The games are not entertaining. The style of play is not good for development. Most people on this forum openly admit that it’s about the university and not soccer so, those folks can play club soccer in college and focus on academics.
Also, MLS/NWSL would be forced to figure out a better development pathway for kids who’s priority is soccer if college soccer goes away. Could someone please tell why loosing college soccer is a bad thing? Are people just scared of change?
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Is this a real person or a troll? For almost all girls , college soccer is the pinnacle , not too mention the education , leadership, and lifelong relationships. Sorry to burst your bubble but If you aren’t on the national team you aren’t making money in women’s soccer. Most players will go play a couple of years after to say they did it.. clubs will provide them a place to stay and minimal stuff to live on.. hardly a “pro”. In all honesty ... how many American men are going pro and having careers? An MLS avg career is 3 years and those guys aren’t getting rich... we don’t have enough success stories in Europe yet to say we have a legit pathway to pro over there. Not trying to be mean but this is an incredibly uninformed post
 
Firmino9 said:
Is this a real person or a troll? For almost all girls , college soccer is the pinnacle , not too mention the education , leadership, and lifelong relationships. Sorry to burst your bubble but If you aren’t on the national team you aren’t making money in women’s soccer. Most players will go play a couple of years after to say they did it.. clubs will provide them a place to stay and minimal stuff to live on.. hardly a “pro”. In all honesty ... how many American men are going pro and having careers? An MLS avg career is 3 years and those guys aren’t getting rich... we don’t have enough success stories in Europe yet to say we have a legit pathway to pro over there. Not trying to be mean but this is an incredibly uninformed post
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an alter ego and not mine but what else do we have to do. :)
 
Firmino9 said:
Is this a real person or a troll? For almost all girls , college soccer is the pinnacle , not too mention the education , leadership, and lifelong relationships. Sorry to burst your bubble but If you aren’t on the national team you aren’t making money in women’s soccer. Most players will go play a couple of years after to say they did it.. clubs will provide them a place to stay and minimal stuff to live on.. hardly a “pro”. In all honesty ... how many American men are going pro and having careers? An MLS avg career is 3 years and those guys aren’t getting rich... we don’t have enough success stories in Europe yet to say we have a legit pathway to pro over there. Not trying to be mean but this is an incredibly uninformed post
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I agree 100%.
 
Firmino9 said:
Is this a real person or a troll? For almost all girls , college soccer is the pinnacle , not too mention the education , leadership, and lifelong relationships. Sorry to burst your bubble but If you aren’t on the national team you aren’t making money in women’s soccer. Most players will go play a couple of years after to say they did it.. clubs will provide them a place to stay and minimal stuff to live on.. hardly a “pro”. In all honesty ... how many American men are going pro and having careers? An MLS avg career is 3 years and those guys aren’t getting rich... we don’t have enough success stories in Europe yet to say we have a legit pathway to pro over there. Not trying to be mean but this is an incredibly uninformed post
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Boys, too. Youth players can see members of their club or high school older teams who become college and pro players and try to follow their development pathways. Almost any serious youth player can make a HS team, after which the stepping-stone become college recruiting contacts, college play (perhaps with scholarship money), pro tryouts, and making a pro team. How far up the ladder can you get?
 
Firmino9 said:
Is this a real person or a troll? For almost all girls , college soccer is the pinnacle , not too mention the education , leadership, and lifelong relationships. Sorry to burst your bubble but If you aren’t on the national team you aren’t making money in women’s soccer. Most players will go play a couple of years after to say they did it.. clubs will provide them a place to stay and minimal stuff to live on.. hardly a “pro”. In all honesty ... how many American men are going pro and having careers? An MLS avg career is 3 years and those guys aren’t getting rich... we don’t have enough success stories in Europe yet to say we have a legit pathway to pro over there. Not trying to be mean but this is an incredibly uninformed post
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As real as it gets homeboy. College soccer is the pinnacle of rich kid entitlement. The USWNT is the pinnacle to success loser. If your kid doesn’t make it, it’s time to move on to something that you’re are talented in.
Receiving the second place trophy of college soccer while pretending that they are soccer players instead of focusing on education and career is the pinnacle of stupidity my friend.

I asked a Power 5 coach what he hated most about his job. His response was all the spoiled entitled young adults that they have to bench for the first time because their parents financed the lie that they were legit soccer players.

If you’re concerned about relationships, I think you’ll have more opportunities for relationships by playing club and joining a sorority/fraternity.
 
Ellejustus said:
I agree 100% too. The troll and I are trolling for a pro pathway for girls instead of 99% with college goal oriented players who want to be a nurse. I love nurses too. My mother in law is a nurse.
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I went down the rabbit hole too. Do what we all do. Focus on school and grades. college because although the world needs ditch diggers too (line from Caddyshack) you do not want you player to be one of them. It does not matter at what level. If she is D1 and starts her freshman year begin to dream of a pro opportunity. There are no pro's at 12 not even at La Masia.
or find your own pathway.

I am focused on zoom meetings, phone calls and hopefully ID camps in the coming days, weeks and months. I hope that more college programs do not go the route of the BearCats and Crusaders and Lobos. I will take 4more years of watching my son play any level than having it end in 365days.
 
MacDre said:
As real as it gets homeboy. College soccer is the pinnacle of rich kid entitlement. The USWNT is the pinnacle to success loser. If your kid doesn’t make it, it’s time to move on to something that you’re are talented in.
Receiving the second place trophy of college soccer while pretending that they are soccer players instead of focusing on education and career is the pinnacle of stupidity my friend.

I asked a Power 5 coach what he hated most about his job. His response was all the spoiled entitled young adults that they have to bench for the first time because their parents financed the lie that they were legit soccer players.

If you’re concerned about relationships, I think you’ll have more opportunities for relationships by playing club and joining a sorority/fraternity.
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says the poor oppressed guy who says his daughter is in private school in her dad's ivory tower.
Scholarships for athletics and academics are earned not given. Unless you are a crew member sort of at USC.
It is funny you think college soccer players come from rich families.
 
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