D1 college soccer under threat

So why not AYSO or the cheapest option? Why are you paying for fancy, elite, & competitive club soccer? I detect well written BS!

Haha...Thanks for the compliment. Much appreciated. To be honest, she is playing where she wants to play. Fortunately we can make it work, and don’t mind the travel. Our family has a lot of fun with the whole thing. Where the teams have traveled to play the last few years we have family and friends - Phx, OC, SD, Vegas, No Cal and even FL, NC, and CO. The social aspect for our family is a lot of fun. We actually have reconnected with some people we have not seen in a long time and see some more often than we used to. It’s been good.

What do you think my truth is if what I wrote is BS? Your’s, well I think you enjoy stirring it up a bit and having fun doing it. There is no shortage of willing participants because people are locked up and bored (god knows I’ve been on here more than ever the last few weeks). It’s fun and I have spent time doing worse things. :)
 
Haha...Thanks for the compliment. Much appreciated. To be honest, she is playing where she wants to play. Fortunately we can make it work, and don’t mind the travel. Our family has a lot of fun with the whole thing. Where the teams have traveled to play the last few years we have family and friends - Phx, OC, SD, Vegas, No Cal and even FL, NC, and CO. The social aspect for our family is a lot of fun. We actually have reconnected with some people we have not seen in a long time and see some more often than we used to. It’s been good.

What do you think my truth is if what I wrote is BS? Your’s, well I think you enjoy stirring it up a bit and having fun doing it. There is no shortage of willing participants because people are locked up and bored (god knows I’ve been on here more than ever the last few weeks). It’s fun and I have spent time doing worse things. :)
Okay. You got me.
 
Hey bro, I'm good at playing "Me and MacDre." I learned the hood by going down to South Central to see MacDre every week when we were little guys. I would go down from Laguna and have plays dates at the park with him and his friends all the time. In fact, I found a pic of my mom helping out one of MacDres cousins.

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LMFAO! Yep. Can’t take you serious anymore. Will have to gloss over posts from both.
 
The TV contact is the problem and it shouldn’t be but for institutionalized sexism. I see women’s games regularly on TV in Mexico. Same thing in Spain when I was there.

I’ll bite...c’mon...institutionalized sexism...really...now I know you are just having fun with people.

They show NWSL Games on Lifetime...USWNT on ESPN and ABC. For the USWNT, the ad rev, sponsorship support, and ratings support the content on the major networks. For NWSL not so much. It’s why the Super Bowl is not on ESPN 8 “The Ocho” and on a Major Network during Primetime. Programming is determined by $$$. It’s not Institutionalized Sexism, it’s because the product does not generate the ratings, $$$, or sponsorship.
 
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I’ll bite...c’mon...institutionalized sexism...really...now I know you are just having fun with people.

They show NWSL Games on Lifetime...USWNT on ESPN and ABC. For the USWNT, the ad rev, sponsorship support, and ratings support the content on the major networks. For NWSL not so much. It’s why the Super Bowl is not on ESPN 8 “The Ocho” and on a Major Network during Primetime. Programming is determined by $$$. It’s not Institutionalized Sexism, it’s because the product does not generate the ratings, $$$, or sponsorship.
The product isn’t generating money due to structural barriers to entrance in the past. In other words, if women’s soccer would’ve been supported equally for the same amount of time as men it would be very successful currently.
Laws were enacted to exclude women from the game and a prevailing mindset that women belong in the kitchen and the bedroom. And don’t forget real men kept their bitches barefooted, pregnant, and walking like a duck. To deny the impact these factors are having on women’s soccer is dishonest.
 
Not possible. You may have just outed her then. Once you sign a pro contract, you are no longer an amateur for that particular sport.
According to my conversation with the coach at Cal, that’s not true. He said the determining factor would be if she took money in excess of expenses. But even if she did, it would only amount to a temporary suspension.
 
I’ll bite...c’mon...institutionalized sexism...really...now I know you are just having fun with people.

They show NWSL Games on Lifetime...USWNT on ESPN and ABC. For the USWNT, the ad rev, sponsorship support, and ratings support the content on the major networks. For NWSL not so much. It’s why the Super Bowl is not on ESPN 8 “The Ocho” and on a Major Network during Primetime. Programming is determined by $$$. It’s not Institutionalized Sexism, it’s because the product does not generate the ratings, $$$, or sponsorship.
Agree Woobie06. But viewership would increase, I believe, with better marketing and advertising. Along with programming on some more accessible channels. The effort simply is not there. I get sick of hearing that the product is subpar. Complete bullshit. But, it’s the people that make those decisions that think along those very lines, that are the problem.
 
According to my conversation with the coach at Cal, that’s not true. He said the determining factor would be if she took money in excess of expenses. But even if she did, it would only amount to a temporary suspension.
Cal coach is wrong. A pro contract is a pro contract. Doesn’t matter what amount. Same as NCAA eligibility guidlines. Player cannot have EVER received compensation for playing at any time.
 
Cal coach is wrong. A pro contract is a pro contract. Doesn’t matter what amount. Same as NCAA eligibility guidlines. Player cannot have EVER received compensation for playing at any time.
But they can receive reasonable expenses and what constitutes reasonable expenses is debatable.
 
Good point. But do you know it’s like that because I think traditionally the British were the most sexist in the world. Sexism was even in the laws. Women couldn’t even pass citizenship to their children.

I remember reading something about women’s football in England and Mexico doing better then the men’s game in both countries and then women were subsequently outlawed from playing.
So, the issue isn’t the viability of the women’s game but rather how do we remedy the ills of the past while moving forward.
I hear woman coudn;t vote too. The fact were even talking about 800 watching pro girls in England a great tribute to how far we have come. Go girls!!!
 
Haha...Thanks for the compliment. Much appreciated. To be honest, she is playing where she wants to play. Fortunately we can make it work, and don’t mind the travel. Our family has a lot of fun with the whole thing. Where the teams have traveled to play the last few years we have family and friends - Phx, OC, SD, Vegas, No Cal and even FL, NC, and CO. The social aspect for our family is a lot of fun. We actually have reconnected with some people we have not seen in a long time and see some more often than we used to. It’s been good.

What do you think my truth is if what I wrote is BS? Your’s, well I think you enjoy stirring it up a bit and having fun doing it. There is no shortage of willing participants because people are locked up and bored (god knows I’ve been on here more than ever the last few weeks). It’s fun and I have spent time doing worse things. :)
How much you spend woobie for all that fun soccer and travel? Be honest too......
 
That was an incredible ride. I have been reading and reading about D1 College Soccer being Under Threat for a LONG time (you all covered a shit-ton of ground in not that many days). It made me think of the old NorCal board and the string about FC Elk Grove that went on for a couple of years (I had major surgery about 3 or 4 months into that thread and was completely out of pocket for two weeks (ICU, etc.) and commented when I came back that I was reassured that the string was continuing - never imagined it would go for years. But this one . . . so many comments in such a short period of time. As I went down the rabbit hole, I'd occasionally ping back to check my work email so I did not miss anything.

If we are going to look at D1 athletics only as a vehicle to professional $$$ (which, I think, may have been a point made back on page 2), then we can bag nearly all college sports, not just soccer. All but football, men's basketball (which can be scaled back b/c the # of D1 players who play high level pro ball (say, NBA, Euro, even G league) is a relatively small percentage), baseball (again, small percentage) and maybe women's hoops. Everything else . . . bag 'em! The elite tennis players don't play college. Swimming is kinda sorta required but the top, top level swimmers are starting to leave early (while I think Missy Franklin did all 4 years at Cal, I think Katie Ledecky only swam a couple at Stanford and I am not sure if Phelps ever swam collegiately). Golf is still an area where guys play college before pro but they are not honing their game in college so let's bag that, too.

But the schools don't see it that way - they reap benefits even if the program loses money in direct revenues v costs - and the athletes certainly don't (or many don't) see it that way. Getting in to schools that maybe would have chosen another with the same academic credentials, or having some relief in paying for school so that going to college w/o being crushed by debt, or just the intangibles for teamwork, creativity, discipline, etc. that come with being an athlete? I'm glad my kid will be playing sports in college and won't face (or we won't face) a debt load when she's done. I am glad she will have resources available to her as a student athlete that will give her the best chance to thrive in college (her choice in school was a direct reflection of the support she will get in academics - she saw that herself w/o any input from her parents). A short-term career goal IS to play professionally (hell, doing that until you are in your mid-20s . . . that sounds awesome. I was a school teacher out of college and did not do grad school until 27; if I were playing a sport in Europe rather than being in a classroom . . . sounds pretty great) and maybe to see whether her talent, the coaching and her dedication allows her to represent the country. For her, as for most student athletes (since, like the ad says, most will be going pro in something else), playing for the school and the tradeoff of what the school provides will, hopefully, be worth it. (some of the more veteran parents who are following this conversation, like @Simisoccerfan (whom I hope to meet when our kids face off if there is a women's soccer season), can say whether, for their kids, it has been "worth it").

(@MacDre - I have looked into the FIFA rules regarding repping countries and they are different than citizenship rules. That is, each country can decide how it naturalizes citizens but FIFA decides who is eligible. My wife holds dual citizenship with Ireland. My kids are not eligible for the Irish national team automatically. They may be in a different sport - the rules may differ by international governing body - but it would require certain steps to be eligible under FIFA rules. Where it can help is playing professionally since my kids can get their Irish citizenship and being an EU citizen makes some of the administrative burdens much less for playing on a pro (club) team. Not sure how Brexit will impact that for EU players in the UK, however). And, as others have said, I'm really rooting for your kid - I root for all your kids to do well - and hope she gets the rewards she wants. She sounds like a pretty incredible young person, lots of talent that goes way beyond soccer. I love hearing about kids like that).
 
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