D1 college soccer under threat

warrior49 said:
I've heard many of those stories from my DD. They all talk. It sounds fun to get "drafted" into a pro league. But come on... In her view, college D1 soccer is more popular right now than the NWSL.
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Plus, when Maps shares the pro life, my dd is 100% a no and so am I. I can see myself forking out money for her life style just so she can say she's a pro soccer player. She will need to make well over 6 figures to be happy and that is not going to happen. I wish we could find a way to get them paid.
 
MacDre said:
I care because I think there is some serious de facto segregation going on within US soccer. I see a lot of people being excluded from mainstream US soccer for fabricated BS reasons. I think a system that excludes the poor from the outset and gives admissions preferences to a bunch of upper middle class kids that don’t want to go pro and only want the “experience” is unethical.
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I agree completely that US soccer excludes many people, but I think the biggest source of that exclusion is the youth pay to play model and closed leagues like ECNL. Unfortunately it is what we have now. If we focused on and tweaked the existing but older model of Local Leagues/National Cup/Regional Championships/National League/National Championships to be more inclusive and allow any team that qualifies to move up the ladder we would see the decrease in the power of the mega-clubs Wouldn't it be great if a team from a league like Tiffany's won it all and got some real exposure for their players to get noticed by college coaches?

College athletic scholarships help some who cannot afford to attend college get a degree. It is not a perfect system but college coaches will offer scholarships to anyone that they think will help them win. They just need more exposure to a broader spectrum of the population.

I am not trying to shoot any messengers, but I am saying that college soccer has many positives and is worth including in the US Soccer's path forward. The NCAA needs to pull their heads out of the sand and look to the future however.
 
outside! said:
I agree completely that US soccer excludes many people, but I think the biggest source of that exclusion is the youth pay to play model and closed leagues like ECNL. Unfortunately it is what we have now. If we focused on and tweaked the existing but older model of Local Leagues/National Cup/Regional Championships/National League/National Championships to be more inclusive and allow any team that qualifies to move up the ladder we would see the decrease in the power of the mega-clubs Wouldn't it be great if a team from a league like Tiffany's won it all and got some real exposure for their players to get noticed by college coaches?

College athletic scholarships help some who cannot afford to attend college get a degree. It is not a perfect system but college coaches will offer scholarships to anyone that they think will help them win. They just need more exposure to a broader spectrum of the population.

I am not trying to shoot any messengers, but I am saying that college soccer has many positives and is worth including in the US Soccer's path forward. The NCAA needs to pull their heads out of the sand and look to the future however.
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I love College sports!!!!
 
outside! said:
I agree completely that US soccer excludes many people, but I think the biggest source of that exclusion is the youth pay to play model and closed leagues like ECNL. Unfortunately it is what we have now. If we focused on and tweaked the existing but older model of Local Leagues/National Cup/Regional Championships/National League/National Championships to be more inclusive and allow any team that qualifies to move up the ladder we would see the decrease in the power of the mega-clubs Wouldn't it be great if a team from a league like Tiffany's won it all and got some real exposure for their players to get noticed by college coaches?

College athletic scholarships help some who cannot afford to attend college get a degree. It is not a perfect system but college coaches will offer scholarships to anyone that they think will help them win. They just need more exposure to a broader spectrum of the population.

I am not trying to shoot any messengers, but I am saying that college soccer has many positives and is worth including in the US Soccer's path forward. The NCAA needs to pull their heads out of the sand and look to the future however.
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I 100% agree but I’m bored and like seeing Vegasguy get all into his feelings.
 
I was fortunate enough to travel to Manchester with my DD recently. She was able to be a mascot at a Man U game. It was an incredible experience.
Anyways... We went to a Man U Women's game. Attendance was right around 800 people (at less than 10.00 a ticket).
Attended the Man U Men's game. Attendance was 70,000 + (And the tickets were just a tad more that 10.00 ea.).

So yeah...
 
JumboJack said:
I was fortunate enough to travel to Manchester with my DD recently. She was able to be a mascot at a Man U game. It was an incredible experience.
Anyways... We went to a Man U Women's game. Attendance was right around 800 people (at less than 10.00 a ticket).
Attended the Man U Men's game. Attendance was 70,000 + (And the tickets were just a tad more that 10.00 ea.).

So yeah...
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Good point. But do you know it’s like that because I think traditionally the British were the most sexist in the world. Sexism was even in the laws. Women couldn’t even pass citizenship to their children.

I remember reading something about women’s football in England and Mexico doing better then the men’s game in both countries and then women were subsequently outlawed from playing.
So, the issue isn’t the viability of the women’s game but rather how do we remedy the ills of the past while moving forward.
 
viability is THE question for the women’s game. How do you pay a decent salary on 7,000 tickets and no TV contract?

Right now, they can keep players by using the WNT roster as a carrot. Same theory as using the YNT roster to prop up DA. And it will work equally well long term.
 
MacDre said:
Uh...we’re talking about soccer.
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That’s what I thought. You are making my point for me...my daughter is not a soccer savant, top 1%, or whatever. She works hard, competes, and takes it very serious. She has fun with it.

Soccer is something my daughter does, not who she is. It’s a hobby. A thing. If she has the opportunity to play in college, she will then have quite a few years left to play competitively and have fun with the sport, teammates and friends...be a kid for as long as you can do those kid things before entering the big bad world.

Then 60+ years to live her life and follow her personal and career dreams and most importantly start and build a family of her own. Her life and her journey. Soccer is not in her “dreams”...she wants to do a lot of things in her life but playing professional soccer is not among them.

Being limited in opportunities for soccer, or growth opportunities in soccer, or the optimal training environment for soccer does not even resonate or register with me. Soccer is not life, it’s a kids game...it’s a fun activity, but as a team sport I do find it very rewarding and think there is immeasurable value in playing competitive team sports as a youth and that includes college.

If your argument is that if she had better things soccer wise - opportunities, training, growth, etc. than maybe she might develop into something she is not currently and then may want to play pro...Sure, I can get there and see how you get to that point. I agree we all improve with better education/training, opportunities, etc. I just hope my daughter has bigger dreams than chasing a $50k paycheck.
 
MacDre said:
My kid will go to Cal. She could also attend UCSD. But, the new CEO of USSF went to one (most would say only) of the Mexican schools and he’s doing fine. A degree from Tec is very portable.
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I may have mis-understood you...I thought you said your DD was going to graduate from University at 18...do you mean graduate from Cal or UCSD at 18? Cal or UCSD for Grad-School?
 
Woobie06 said:
That’s what I thought. You are making my point for me...my daughter is not a soccer savant, top 1%, or whatever. She works hard, competes, and takes it very serious. She has fun with it.

Soccer is something my daughter does, not who she is. It’s a hobby. A thing. If she has the opportunity to play in college, she will then have quite a few years left to play competitively and have fun with the sport, teammates and friends...be a kid for as long as you can do those kid things before entering the big bad world.

Then 60+ years to live her life and follow her personal and career dreams and most importantly start and build a family of her own. Her life and her journey. Soccer is not in her “dreams”...she wants to do a lot of things in her life but playing professional soccer is not among them.

Being limited in opportunities for soccer, or growth opportunities in soccer, or the optimal training environment for soccer does not even resonate or register with me. Soccer is not life, it’s a kids game...it’s a fun activity, but as a team sport I do find it very rewarding and think there is immeasurable value in playing competitive team sports as a youth and that includes college.

If your argument is that if she had better things soccer wise - opportunities, training, growth, etc. than maybe she might develop into something she is not currently and then may want to play pro...Sure, I can get there and see how you get to that point. I agree we all improve with better education/training, opportunities, etc. I just hope my daughter has bigger dreams than chasing a $50k paycheck.
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So why not AYSO or the cheapest option? Why are you paying for fancy, elite, & competitive club soccer? I detect well written BS!
 
dad4 said:
viability is THE question for the women’s game. How do you pay a decent salary on 7,000 tickets and no TV contract?

Right now, they can keep players by using the WNT roster as a carrot. Same theory as using the YNT roster to prop up DA. And it will work equally well long term.
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The TV contact is the problem and it shouldn’t be but for institutionalized sexism. I see women’s games regularly on TV in Mexico. Same thing in Spain when I was there.
 
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