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Re the Cal Berkeley coach's behavior, I was recently reminded of this re UNC's Anson Dorrance:

I traveled back down to North Carolina in 2007 to watch Anson Dorrance put his team through preseason workouts...The losers in bogies (a 2v2 drill with a goalie) had to, as Dorrance put it, "bend over." They trudged into the goal area, turned their backs to the field, and put their hands on their ankles as teammates kicked soccer balls as hard as they could into their backsides. ---Warrior Girls, page 216
 
oh canada said:
Re the Cal Berkeley coach's behavior, I was recently reminded of this re UNC's Anson Dorrance:

I traveled back down to North Carolina in 2007 to watch Anson Dorrance put his team through preseason workouts...The losers in bogies (a 2v2 drill with a goalie) had to, as Dorrance put it, "bend over." They trudged into the goal area, turned their backs to the field, and put their hands on their ankles as teammates kicked soccer balls as hard as they could into their backsides. ---Warrior Girls, page 216
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Classy guy.
 
oh canada said:
Re the Cal Berkeley coach's behavior, I was recently reminded of this re UNC's Anson Dorrance:

I traveled back down to North Carolina in 2007 to watch Anson Dorrance put his team through preseason workouts...The losers in bogies (a 2v2 drill with a goalie) had to, as Dorrance put it, "bend over." They trudged into the goal area, turned their backs to the field, and put their hands on their ankles as teammates kicked soccer balls as hard as they could into their backsides. ---Warrior Girls, page 216
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That has been around probably since shortly after soccer became a game. I have heard it called "Butt's Up". Both of my kids have participated. It is harder to hit a butt when kicking from the mark than you would think. Getting hit in the butt or back of the legs by a soccer ball kicked from the mark does not hurt. Every time I have seen it done, there was much laughing by everyone involved. There may be things that Anson Dorrance has done that are questionable, but in my opinion this is not one of them.
 
outside! said:
That has been around probably since shortly after soccer became a game. I have heard it called "Butt's Up". Both of my kids have participated. It is harder to hit a butt when kicking from the mark than you would think. Getting hit in the butt or back of the legs by a soccer ball kicked from the mark does not hurt. Every time I have seen it done, there was much laughing by everyone involved. There may be things that Anson Dorrance has done that are questionable, but in my opinion this is not one of them.
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My daughter U16 did Butt's Up last night at practice and all the girls in goal was laughing. Thought is was fun...
 
gotothebushes said:
My daughter U16 did Butt's Up last night at practice and all the girls in goal was laughing. Thought is was fun...
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well that's the problem...of course the kids are going to laugh at the time. Some of them will laugh because they think it's funny, but so will the kids who find it demeaning. Classic situation of peer pressure, bullying, and unnecessary demeaning conduct. Plenty of other ways to make the losers "pay", including sprints, burpees, pushups etc. Bummer to hear that your daughter's team is doing it at the behest of an adult coach. The kids are also learning that this conduct is appropriate. Just because it's been done 20-30 years ago doesn't make it right either. It's not.
 
oh canada said:
well that's the problem...of course the kids are going to laugh at the time. Some of them will laugh because they think it's funny, but so will the kids who find it demeaning. Classic situation of peer pressure, bullying, and unnecessary demeaning conduct. Plenty of other ways to make the losers "pay", including sprints, burpees, pushups etc. Bummer to hear that your daughter's team is doing it at the behest of an adult coach. The kids are also learning that this conduct is appropriate. Just because it's been done 20-30 years ago doesn't make it right either. It's not.
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Seriously???

What’s your stance on participation trophies?

I mean, you did think Alex Morgan was selfish for setting a goal to make the Olympic roster after her pregnancy.
 
oh canada said:
well that's the problem...of course the kids are going to laugh at the time. Some of them will laugh because they think it's funny, but so will the kids who find it demeaning. Classic situation of peer pressure, bullying, and unnecessary demeaning conduct. Plenty of other ways to make the losers "pay", including sprints, burpees, pushups etc. Bummer to hear that your daughter's team is doing it at the behest of an adult coach. The kids are also learning that this conduct is appropriate. Just because it's been done 20-30 years ago doesn't make it right either. It's not.
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This same lame excuse that was used by the PC police to get rid of dodgeball at school. At our youth after school clubs the kids love dodgeball. To a person they all say its their favorite activity. Adults ruining fun for kids.

You also have it backwards. Exercise shouldn't be used as "pay" for losing, it attaches a negative connotation to exercise as punishment. That's Coaching 101. Although if I did butts up I'd make shooters use their off foot.
 
watfly said:
This same lame excuse that was used by the PC police to get rid of dodgeball at school. At our youth after school clubs the kids love dodgeball. To a person they all say its their favorite activity. Adults ruining fun for kids.

You also have it backwards. Exercise shouldn't be used as "pay" for losing, it attaches a negative connotation to exercise as punishment. That's Coaching 101. Although if I did butts up I'd make shooters use their off foot.
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I loved dodgeball, too, especially being a ‘keeper. When it was voluntary to play. Bend over and grab your ankles, in a pair of shorts? C’mon. What’s the purpose... besides a coach getting his jollies?

How would you react if Anson asked your kid to put on a pair of shorts and grab her ankles on a recruiting visit?
 
Scott m Shurson said:
I loved dodgeball, too, especially being a ‘keeper. When it was voluntary to play. Bend over and grab your ankles, in a pair of shorts? C’mon. What’s the purpose... besides a coach getting his jollies?

How would you react if Anson asked your kid to put on a pair of shorts and grab her ankles on a recruiting visit?
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Fair point.....but anyone who’s played the game knows you want to show as little surface area as possible so the bending over is logical self preservation....lol
 
Scott m Shurson said:
I loved dodgeball, too, especially being a ‘keeper. When it was voluntary to play. Bend over and grab your ankles, in a pair of shorts? C’mon. What’s the purpose... besides a coach getting his jollies?

How would you react if Anson asked your kid to put on a pair of shorts and grab her ankles on a recruiting visit?
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I wouldn't let my child play for him, but you know those are two completely different scenarios. Now if he was playing butts up on the pitch with his hands in his pants that's a different story. I'll admit for college ladies it seems a little silly to play butts up.

As far as dodgeball goes when I was growing up it was always voluntary on the playground, but yet still banned today because of the PC cancel culture.
 
I gotta admit, I don’t like watching butts up. I’m usually thinking please don’t hurt anyone. Then, hardly nobody ever hits anyone hard, and by the end I’ve changed to thinking they all need a LOT more finishing practice.
 
watfly said:
As far as dodgeball goes when I was growing up it was always voluntary on the playground, but yet still banned today because of the PC cancel culture.
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IDK. Where I grew up dodge ball and smear the queer were the easiest trouble free ways of beating up tattletales. Just pretend to be their friend and invite them to play and everyone take turns pegging their ass until they cry.
 
MacDre said:
IDK. Where I grew up dodge ball and smear the queer were the easiest trouble free ways of beating up tattletales. Just pretend to be their friend and invite them to play and everyone take turns pegging their ass until they cry.
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Yep, but just about any activity could be used as an excuse to bully kids. Dodgeball and butts up aren't inherently demeaning or a bullying behavior.
 
MacDre said:
IDK. Where I grew up dodge ball and smear the queer were the easiest trouble free ways of beating up tattletales. Just pretend to be their friend and invite them to play and everyone take turns pegging their ass until they cry.
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I can only imagine how much therapy EOTL will need after reading this.
 
Kicker4Life said:
Seriously???

What’s your stance on participation trophies?

I mean, you did think Alex Morgan was selfish for setting a goal to make the Olympic roster after her pregnancy.
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Not a fan of participation trophies, but that's irrelevant to doing butt's up.

Have no problem with dodgeball. There's a big difference between bending over and grabbing ankles in submission on a "stage" in front of teammates, making oneself a stationary target and hoping that balls kicked as hard as possible whizz past your ass vs. standing upright while looking at your opponent and being able to use your own athletic ability to jump, duck, bend or catch a thrown (much slower than a kick) ball. I wouldn't be surprised in today's world if a cellphone comes out during butt's up to capture the moment a girl gets her ass pegged so that it can be paired to a 2 Live Crew song and posted for the World to see just how much "fun" it was. It's wrong in so many ways. I don't expect all parents to realize it's wrong, but college coaches certainly should, and club/high school coaches should too.

Good memory. My issue with Alex Morgan was the entitled tone of her media remarks. Maybe that was written for her by PR reps or Nike? Have no problem with her setting a goal of being back, but she does not have the talent/skill imo to have a lock on the starting #9, especially not 6 weeks post-pregnancy. Alex Morgan is a lifestyle brand now, not the country's best striker brand, and Nike et al. will not allow their investment to be pushed aside, even if better players lie in wait (and they do).
 
watfly said:
Yep, but just about any activity could be used as an excuse to bully kids. Dodgeball and butts up aren't inherently demeaning or a bullying behavior.
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I was in an all boys class at a public middle school. Teacher was a “tough guy” type.. During PE class he turned into “the coach”. Played softball, flag football, a variant of dodgeball called Munkenai (sp ?) He always made fun of lesser athletes on the field and had nicknames. Back in class he had a paddle with holes drilled into it. Made 6th grade boys bend over and take their licks. Pure humiliation and abuse.

When I read about AD’s trick for getting girls to bend over, it immediately took me back to that year in school. Surprised that it’s allowed.
 
I remember in 7th grade we had to take showers after PE. My God that was insane and full of boys making fun of other boys who have not started puberty. I'll confess I was a late bloomer :) I tried to get out of public speaking because I stuttered and it was one big, "no.!!! I tried to get out of the shower and I was told to get my ass in the locker and shower up. I wasnt confident like 8th graders who some were full grown men already. Grabbing the ankles is the worse fuc*ing game for any girls or boys in soccer. I dont like the name at all!!! Play another game coach.
 
watfly said:
I wouldn't let my child play for him, but you know those are two completely different scenarios. Now if he was playing butts up on the pitch with his hands in his pants that's a different story. I'll admit for college ladies it seems a little silly to play butts up.

As far as dodgeball goes when I was growing up it was always voluntary on the playground, but yet still banned today because of the PC cancel culture.
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I don’t disagree they’re different, but I think they’re only slightly different. If you’re wearing hockey pants and pads, they’re real different. In this case, in my mind, it’s humiliation, sexual or both. Boner or no boner. Do 18-year old girls/women really need either of those? It’s similar to what Neil has been accused of. If you’re playing at that level, what’s to be learned? I’m all for putting the freshman through their paces, which we used to call “hazing”, but I also think it must serve a purpose and I don’t see one here.
 
It is insulting to athletes to imply that they would never work hard enough without some sexual humiliation.

I’m trying to imagine ”butts up” at a program where athletes are free to walk away. I don’t think it would last long.
 
As an athlete I would’ve laughed and joined in. My kids would all be fine with it. Laugh it off or whatever. But I do feel for the kid who wouldn’t feel comfortable or wouldn’t want to do it but would feel too scared to speak up or ask to not do it. For that kid’s sake we should retire these “games.” They aren’t important enough to keep.
 
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