Cal Berkeley Coach (women) abusive

When my DD was an infant in my arms I did not look lovingly at her and say, “my dream for you is lot go pro at 18 and makeless than minimum wage “.

But what if your kid was really good and loved playing and agents were contacting her or she was getting invites to the U19 national team - would you say to her "no". Or would you support her dreams and let her gain invaluable life experience. I think the difference is that this very rarely happens in the US, but it happens all over the world because players can start playing professionally at 15 or 16.

I don't care if my daughter starts her 9-5 career at 30 instead of 22.
 
Maybe when men's professional sports are entirely self supporting without any taxpayer dollars for stadiums and have paid back with interest all of the public money they have received?
Men’s sports get those stadium deals because they have the support of millions of people.

Other than a few individual sports, women’s sports do not have the fan base. Sorry.

Buy some WPSL or NWSL tickets. Grab a beer and some grub while you watch the game. Support your team.

But don't ask people to pretend that Marta has more fans than Messi. Maybe she should, but that's another question.
 
The women I know that are 1st/2nd year in NWSL need part time jobs. Sometimes living with roommates or host families.

does the NWSL give health benefits? 401K, Dental, vision, etc. Factor that in and that's another 20k.
Unless you are Marta or another big name player that can secure endorsements it's NOT worth it financially.

IMO if you play pro, it's a 1-2 year career overseas so you can travel and come back to USA.
 
does the NWSL give health benefits? 401K, Dental, vision, etc. Factor that in and that's another 20k.
Unless you are Marta or another big name player that can secure endorsements it's NOT worth it financially.

IMO if you play pro, it's a 1-2 year career overseas so you can travel and come back to USA.

If my kids are in a position to play pro for a few years after college, I will encourage it. You only get that chance when young and what an experience. My first 4 years after college were (i) year 1: work to save money to travel for a few months, followed by work to save money followed by (ii) years 2, 3 and 4 as a public school teacher (emergency credential while taking night classes for my multi subject) followed by (iii) a summer as a volunteer for the 94 World Cup. Then grad school for 3 years and then my career. My guess is that many of you have similar stories of doing a lot of interesting things that did not pay well but helped frame the person you are today.

Sub those 4 years with a chance to be a pro athlete while my body is young and my mind is open ... seems pretty great. Would I expect one of my kids - daughters (my son is past this phase) - to make a living/career doing this? No. But that’s not the point because those first years can be years for the purpose of trying something or somewhere interesting before setting in for a life path. Would I want them to do that at 15 or 16? No because I think they give up a lot of what the sport can provide (elite athletes already give up a lot of what other kids experience) - helping to get an education (whether because of the scholarship or merely the access to resources), be on a college campus for those critical wonderful heartbreaking in-love-falling intellectually curious years, travel the country and maybe the world while the tab is picked up, make friends from a collective of other young adults in that 18-22 age group (how much is a 15 year old hanging out with a 28 year old pro? Should she be?). Sure, some kids could be pros as teens and get their higher education. But how many minor league baseball players who signed out of HS (i) don’t make the majors (most) and (ii) never go to college (many if not most)?

I acknowledge that other parents and kids may feel differently (though it really is incumbent on us as parents to help kids see a broad view, something that even the smartest most mature 15yo can struggle with (how can they project 10 years out when 10 years back was when they were 5? I mean, I’m 53. 10 yrs out is not that hard because 10 years ago I was 43 and pretty damn grown. Kids don’t have perspective because they can’t)). And this generation of girls may have more financial rewards than the current women and certainly more than in the past (thanks to the hard work by those very women!). But other than for the elite, will the system approximate the men’s system? Where a nice living can be carved out playing 2d division? And what about the many, MANY men who went to elite academies (not talking US) as boys who experience a peak as a 16yo? How many Freddy Adu type players are there playing in Germany, Spain, the Netherlands, England, etc? How many just a cut below whom we will never see? Do they have an education to fall back on? Unless the European education system has radically changed since I studied there a million years ago, the answer is “no”.
 
If my kids are in a position to play pro for a few years after college, I will encourage it. You only get that chance when young and what an experience. My first 4 years after college were (i) year 1: work to save money to travel for a few months, followed by work to save money followed by (ii) years 2, 3 and 4 as a public school teacher (emergency credential while taking night classes for my multi subject) followed by (iii) a summer as a volunteer for the 94 World Cup. Then grad school for 3 years and then my career. My guess is that many of you have similar stories of doing a lot of interesting things that did not pay well but helped frame the person you are today.

Sub those 4 years with a chance to be a pro athlete while my body is young and my mind is open ... seems pretty great. Would I expect one of my kids - daughters (my son is past this phase) - to make a living/career doing this? No. But that’s not the point because those first years can be years for the purpose of trying something or somewhere interesting before setting in for a life path. Would I want them to do that at 15 or 16? No because I think they give up a lot of what the sport can provide (elite athletes already give up a lot of what other kids experience) - helping to get an education (whether because of the scholarship or merely the access to resources), be on a college campus for those critical wonderful heartbreaking in-love-falling intellectually curious years, travel the country and maybe the world while the tab is picked up, make friends from a collective of other young adults in that 18-22 age group (how much is a 15 year old hanging out with a 28 year old pro? Should she be?). Sure, some kids could be pros as teens and get their higher education. But how many minor league baseball players who signed out of HS (i) don’t make the majors (most) and (ii) never go to college (many if not most)?

I acknowledge that other parents and kids may feel differently (though it really is incumbent on us as parents to help kids see a broad view, something that even the smartest most mature 15yo can struggle with (how can they project 10 years out when 10 years back was when they were 5? I mean, I’m 53. 10 yrs out is not that hard because 10 years ago I was 43 and pretty damn grown. Kids don’t have perspective because they can’t)). And this generation of girls may have more financial rewards than the current women and certainly more than in the past (thanks to the hard work by those very women!). But other than for the elite, will the system approximate the men’s system? Where a nice living can be carved out playing 2d division? And what about the many, MANY men who went to elite academies (not talking US) as boys who experience a peak as a 16yo? How many Freddy Adu type players are there playing in Germany, Spain, the Netherlands, England, etc? How many just a cut below whom we will never see? Do they have an education to fall back on? Unless the European education system has radically changed since I studied there a million years ago, the answer is “no”.
Great perspective and “after college” are key words!
 
If my kids are in a position to play pro for a few years after college, I will encourage it. You only get that chance when young and what an experience. My first 4 years after college were (i) year 1: work to save money to travel for a few months, followed by work to save money followed by (ii) years 2, 3 and 4 as a public school teacher (emergency credential while taking night classes for my multi subject) followed by (iii) a summer as a volunteer for the 94 World Cup. Then grad school for 3 years and then my career. My guess is that many of you have similar stories of doing a lot of interesting things that did not pay well but helped frame the person you are today.

Sub those 4 years with a chance to be a pro athlete while my body is young and my mind is open ... seems pretty great. Would I expect one of my kids - daughters (my son is past this phase) - to make a living/career doing this? No. But that’s not the point because those first years can be years for the purpose of trying something or somewhere interesting before setting in for a life path. Would I want them to do that at 15 or 16? No because I think they give up a lot of what the sport can provide (elite athletes already give up a lot of what other kids experience) - helping to get an education (whether because of the scholarship or merely the access to resources), be on a college campus for those critical wonderful heartbreaking in-love-falling intellectually curious years, travel the country and maybe the world while the tab is picked up, make friends from a collective of other young adults in that 18-22 age group (how much is a 15 year old hanging out with a 28 year old pro? Should she be?). Sure, some kids could be pros as teens and get their higher education. But how many minor league baseball players who signed out of HS (i) don’t make the majors (most) and (ii) never go to college (many if not most)?

I acknowledge that other parents and kids may feel differently (though it really is incumbent on us as parents to help kids see a broad view, something that even the smartest most mature 15yo can struggle with (how can they project 10 years out when 10 years back was when they were 5? I mean, I’m 53. 10 yrs out is not that hard because 10 years ago I was 43 and pretty damn grown. Kids don’t have perspective because they can’t)). And this generation of girls may have more financial rewards than the current women and certainly more than in the past (thanks to the hard work by those very women!). But other than for the elite, will the system approximate the men’s system? Where a nice living can be carved out playing 2d division? And what about the many, MANY men who went to elite academies (not talking US) as boys who experience a peak as a 16yo? How many Freddy Adu type players are there playing in Germany, Spain, the Netherlands, England, etc? How many just a cut below whom we will never see? Do they have an education to fall back on? Unless the European education system has radically changed since I studied there a million years ago, the answer is “no”.
Well said!
 
If my kids are in a position to play pro for a few years after college, I will encourage it. You only get that chance when young and what an experience. My first 4 years after college were (i) year 1: work to save money to travel for a few months, followed by work to save money followed by (ii) years 2, 3 and 4 as a public school teacher (emergency credential while taking night classes for my multi subject) followed by (iii) a summer as a volunteer for the 94 World Cup. Then grad school for 3 years and then my career. My guess is that many of you have similar stories of doing a lot of interesting things that did not pay well but helped frame the person you are today.

Sub those 4 years with a chance to be a pro athlete while my body is young and my mind is open ... seems pretty great. Would I expect one of my kids - daughters (my son is past this phase) - to make a living/career doing this? No. But that’s not the point because those first years can be years for the purpose of trying something or somewhere interesting before setting in for a life path. Would I want them to do that at 15 or 16? No because I think they give up a lot of what the sport can provide (elite athletes already give up a lot of what other kids experience) - helping to get an education (whether because of the scholarship or merely the access to resources), be on a college campus for those critical wonderful heartbreaking in-love-falling intellectually curious years, travel the country and maybe the world while the tab is picked up, make friends from a collective of other young adults in that 18-22 age group (how much is a 15 year old hanging out with a 28 year old pro? Should she be?). Sure, some kids could be pros as teens and get their higher education. But how many minor league baseball players who signed out of HS (i) don’t make the majors (most) and (ii) never go to college (many if not most)?

I acknowledge that other parents and kids may feel differently (though it really is incumbent on us as parents to help kids see a broad view, something that even the smartest most mature 15yo can struggle with (how can they project 10 years out when 10 years back was when they were 5? I mean, I’m 53. 10 yrs out is not that hard because 10 years ago I was 43 and pretty damn grown. Kids don’t have perspective because they can’t)). And this generation of girls may have more financial rewards than the current women and certainly more than in the past (thanks to the hard work by those very women!). But other than for the elite, will the system approximate the men’s system? Where a nice living can be carved out playing 2d division? And what about the many, MANY men who went to elite academies (not talking US) as boys who experience a peak as a 16yo? How many Freddy Adu type players are there playing in Germany, Spain, the Netherlands, England, etc? How many just a cut below whom we will never see? Do they have an education to fall back on? Unless the European education system has radically changed since I studied there a million years ago, the answer is “no”.
100%.....
 
Reuters) - Spain's top-flight women footballers have signed their first collective agreement on pay and conditions, breaking an impasse with sporting authorities which led to a strike last November.


The agreement, which was signed on Tuesday but only made public on Wednesday, guarantees Primera Division players a minimum salary of 16,000 euros ($17,264.00) per year as well as paid holiday and maternity leave among other benefits.
 
At what age do you think a special soccer talent can be identified? What qualities should this special player have?

Skills plus Drive can be identified pretty early. I saw it in a small way with my kids — older had the athletic skills, loved to play, but wasn’t obsessed with it the way the younger was. That obsession where the kid chooses to spend free time taking 500 free throws in the driveway or hitting 1000 one-touch ricochets off a wall instead of anything else is essential, in addition to raw talent. Raw talent falls by the wayside *all the time* if that drive isn’t also there. So I’d say by age 10 or 11 you know if a kid has that combo to put him/her in the top 10% of players. Who from the top 10% then goes on to college scholarships/pros/national teams is more of a crapshoot depending on training, injury, money, opportunity, etc.
 
If my kids are in a position to play pro for a few years after college, I will encourage it.
If my kid is in a position to play pro before college or in lieu of going to school, I will encourage it. If my dd quits soccer altogether because men are selfish, then I will understand. Share the soccer loot with the woman that you need in order to survive.
And the sad thing is the teams still lose money. At what point do you just say without some sort of subsidy this league folds like a cheap suit. I understand equal opportunity and all but eventually the league has to stand or fall on its own merits.

Womens soccer far from equal
Without Awoman, we have no man, Amen men? Now, mommy raised all these stud boys who are now pro soccer men making all the money. Some men say woman need to stay in da house. Some men say they need to go college. Some men say they need to do this and that. This man says pay the woman who helped all the boys make millions and billions a living wage in soccer. Find the money, trust me someone has way too much and their not sharing with the girls, who we all need to make this planet awesome and growing with more boys & girls :)
 
Last edited:
But what if your kid was really good and loved playing and agents were contacting her or she was getting invites to the U19 national team - would you say to her "no". Or would you support her dreams and let her gain invaluable life experience. I think the difference is that this very rarely happens in the US, but it happens all over the world because players can start playing professionally at 15 or 16.

I don't care if my daughter starts her 9-5 career at 30 instead of 22.
I fully support any player that wants to play pro. My objection is to the excitement and fervor of discussing the idea of your 12 year old, 13 year old, or 15 year old getting a professional contract and that being the big dream. OM signed a promotional contract a couple years ago and beside that initial influx of cash what is she doing? Before the DA closed up shop she was just playing on a DA team like the rest of players that had more options to choose from for their futures. Does OM have a pro contract overseas? Did she even play on any WPSL teams the past year or two? She is doing the same things she could have done without signing that contract and closing off her options for a more open future. When parents get on this forum and get all serious about going pro at a young age I always go back to the fact that the payout is not even a fraction of professional men's sports. So it is a nice paid hobby to have for a few years. It is not a path that should close out other opportunities.

College is an important experience for a lot of people. It isn't for everyone but if you are interested in learning and growing in that way it creates so many opportunities to experience. It also provides opportunities way down the road that you didn't anticipate when you were 18 years old. The only big money in professional soccer is if you also are on the USWNT roster and have endorsements. There are only a handful of players across the country that meet this criterion. I suspect that even many of those that are on the USWNT roster don't have substantive endorsement deals. I think it is very cool to be able to travel and play soccer while you are paid to do that - that is an amazing experience for a young adult. But think it through all the way till your player is mid-life. What are her goals long term? Where does she see herself when she is 40, 50? That is an impossible question to ask an 18 year old so that is why parents have to be a mature voice or reason to bounce those ideas around. If that is your dream and your player's dream then I am all in support of it - just don't fool yourself or your player about the realities as a female professional athlete. It isn't the same as it is for male athletes and don't try to convince yourself about some fantasy. As a previous poster said above, players in the NWSL "need" part time jobs to make it work financially. Also, about the Youth national team invites - do your research on how many hundreds of players have gotten those invites and how many actually end up on the full team or playing professionally. I know players that have even quit soccer all together that have had those invites and/or gotten full scholarships only to quit the sport because they just lost the interest or drive at a certain point.
 
I fully support any player that wants to play pro. My objection is to the excitement and fervor of discussing the idea of your 12 year old, 13 year old, or 15 year old getting a professional contract and that being the big dream. OM signed a promotional contract a couple years ago and beside that initial influx of cash what is she doing? Before the DA closed up shop she was just playing on a DA team like the rest of players that had more options to choose from for their futures. Does OM have a pro contract overseas? Did she even play on any WPSL teams the past year or two? She is doing the same things she could have done without signing that contract and closing off her options for a more open future. When parents get on this forum and get all serious about going pro at a young age I always go back to the fact that the payout is not even a fraction of professional men's sports. So it is a nice paid hobby to have for a few years. It is not a path that should close out other opportunities.

College is an important experience for a lot of people.
Big pipe dream, right 43 lol. Dream the dreams bro and let the dreamers dream whatever dreams they want for their life. OM has worked harder then anyone I know that my dd played against and saw her hard work first hand. She has a dream and Nike is helping her with that dream. She has all the skills one needs to go to the next level. Can she hang athletically and mentally is going to be the question? I wish her nothing but the best and I applaud her for going all in for soccer. I can tell you the little that I do know about her is she is 100% committed to be the best she can be. Her parents have the means to support that dream and she even earned a pro contract at 13 years old and walked away from college game.
 
If my kids are in a position to play pro for a few years after college, I will encourage it. You only get that chance when young and what an experience. My first 4 years after college were (i) year 1: work to save money to travel for a few months, followed by work to save money followed by (ii) years 2, 3 and 4 as a public school teacher (emergency credential while taking night classes for my multi subject) followed by (iii) a summer as a volunteer for the 94 World Cup. Then grad school for 3 years and then my career. My guess is that many of you have similar stories of doing a lot of interesting things that did not pay well but helped frame the person you are today.

Sub those 4 years with a chance to be a pro athlete while my body is young and my mind is open ... seems pretty great. Would I expect one of my kids - daughters (my son is past this phase) - to make a living/career doing this? No. But that’s not the point because those first years can be years for the purpose of trying something or somewhere interesting before setting in for a life path. Would I want them to do that at 15 or 16? No because I think they give up a lot of what the sport can provide (elite athletes already give up a lot of what other kids experience) - helping to get an education (whether because of the scholarship or merely the access to resources), be on a college campus for those critical wonderful heartbreaking in-love-falling intellectually curious years, travel the country and maybe the world while the tab is picked up, make friends from a collective of other young adults in that 18-22 age group (how much is a 15 year old hanging out with a 28 year old pro? Should she be?). Sure, some kids could be pros as teens and get their higher education. But how many minor league baseball players who signed out of HS (i) don’t make the majors (most) and (ii) never go to college (many if not most)?

I acknowledge that other parents and kids may feel differently (though it really is incumbent on us as parents to help kids see a broad view, something that even the smartest most mature 15yo can struggle with (how can they project 10 years out when 10 years back was when they were 5? I mean, I’m 53. 10 yrs out is not that hard because 10 years ago I was 43 and pretty damn grown. Kids don’t have perspective because they can’t)). And this generation of girls may have more financial rewards than the current women and certainly more than in the past (thanks to the hard work by those very women!). But other than for the elite, will the system approximate the men’s system? Where a nice living can be carved out playing 2d division? And what about the many, MANY men who went to elite academies (not talking US) as boys who experience a peak as a 16yo? How many Freddy Adu type players are there playing in Germany, Spain, the Netherlands, England, etc? How many just a cut below whom we will never see? Do they have an education to fall back on? Unless the European education system has radically changed since I studied there a million years ago, the answer is “no”.
I have attached pictures of Beastmode telling my kid precisely what you have stated; lol of course he used more colorful language. He actively discourages her participation in professional sports. When she was accepted to Fuerzas Basicas he didn’t call to congratulate her however, when he heard that she made straight A’s he called to congratulate her and remind her to enroll in Fam 1st Foundation architecture program this upcoming summer. He tells her that he’s dumb and needs her to manage his money.

I have one major concern with your timeline and I would love to hear everyone’s feedback. I think the timeline that you laid out is great for men but could be problematic for women. By time I finished military service, undergrad, & grad school I was almost 30 and life was great. My female friends were all of a sudden stressed out because their “clock was ticking” and they were starting a new career wanting to have kids and not get put on the “mommy track.”

For me, a major benefit for women going pro early is having more time to work around getting put on the mommy track.

Thoughts?


1609862514496.jpeg
1609862551313.jpeg
 
My thoughts are, wow!!! This is so cool and thanks for sharing. Great advice. My advice to everyone is do what you love and have fun :)
 
Back
Top