Cal Berkeley Coach (women) abusive

[dk_b]

I have attached pictures of Beastmode telling my kid precisely what you have stated; lol of course he used more colorful language. He actively discourages her participation in professional sports. When she was accepted to Fuerzas Basicas he didn’t call to congratulate her however, when he heard that she made straight A’s he called to congratulate her and remind her to enroll in Fam 1st Foundation architecture program this upcoming summer. He tells her that he’s dumb and needs her to manage his money.

I have one major concern with your timeline and I would love to hear everyone’s feedback. I think the timeline that you laid out is great for men but could be problematic for women. By time I finished military service, undergrad, & grad school I was almost 30 and life was great. My female friends were all of a sudden stressed out because their “clock was ticking” and they were starting a new career wanting to have kids and not get put on the “mommy track.”

For me, a major benefit for women going pro early is having more time to work around getting put on the mommy track.

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I love Marshawn. My older kid (and my younger ones when there is a HS season) played Tech in non-league games and the ones at their house always made me think of that guy (and Rickey, of course).

Motherhood for college-educated women is starting later on average. I am not too worried about that w/r/t my own daughters. They are surrounded by professional women - attorneys, Drs, scientists - and they know that it can be done as a parent but the challenge is real.

I did make a passing reference to the social situation of a young player among adult pros but I want to return to it. My kids are 4 years apart - my oldest (22), next (18) and next (14, 14). My younger daughters idolize their older sister and I love it when they are together (but for Covid, I'd have let them head to campus to hang with big sis as I did as a HS freshman when my next closest sibling was a frosh at UCSB). But there are conversations of my 18yo that I have overheard and I can remember being 18 myself and it is clear that my 14yos are NOT their sister's peers (my 18yo can hang w/her older brother b/c the gap has closed). A 15yo hanging w/25yos? 25yos talking about social things that 25yos talk about? Or do they temper their conversation around "the kid"? Should they have to at that stage in life? Does that isolate the younger player or make her grow up faster in areas that are not "on the pitch"? I raised this way back when during a lengthy discussion on OM.

Look . . . if the path was so unique that turning pro provided an opportunity that might not otherwise be there (as in the case w/some of the teenage boys who stand to make million$$$), I'd counsel a different way. But I don't think that's the case as yet. It may change some day and there are even exceptions today (Horan's success v Pugh's path or Tierna going pro and thus availing herself of a World Cup bonus that she may not get in the future (since our senior team is so difficult to make and b/c injury and life can also get in the way).

I'm feel fortunate - and I think my daughter IS fortunate - that when she has to make that decision (if one is to be made), she will have plenty of people to consult with b/c of her youth, collegiate and YNT/WNT experience. There will be high end players, middle of the road players and those who clearly don't aspire for WC glory but are planning on playing for a year or two before grad school (in addition to coaches she has had and others w/whom she's developed relationships who can offer unbiased advice). And if my younger 2 get there, their sister will be their best advisor. Selfishly, I do hope she loves the game, has great success and is able to play at the next level. Why selfish? B/c how many people get to watch their children perform in their profession? I can say that in all the years that my parents were alive when I was in my profession (well, my mom died not long after I started practicing, my dad in the last couple of years), they never ONCE sat in my office and watched my draft or review a contract.

Sorry for the very long-winded replies. This is the stuff that I miss discussing w/folks in person over coffee or a beer, around a fire at a hotel during a tournament or a poke bowl at some strip all.

 

[El Clasico]

I love Marshawn. My older kid (and my younger ones when there is a HS season) played Tech in non-league games and the ones at their house always made me think of that guy (and Rickey, of course).

Motherhood for college-educated women is starting later on average. I am not too worried about that w/r/t my own daughters. They are surrounded by professional women - attorneys, Drs, scientists - and they know that it can be done as a parent but the challenge is real.

I did make a passing reference to the social situation of a young player among adult pros but I want to return to it. My kids are 4 years apart - my oldest (22), next (18) and next (14, 14). My younger daughters idolize their older sister and I love it when they are together (but for Covid, I'd have let them head to campus to hang with big sis as I did as a HS freshman when my next closest sibling was a frosh at UCSB). But there are conversations of my 18yo that I have overheard and I can remember being 18 myself and it is clear that my 14yos are NOT their sister's peers (my 18yo can hang w/her older brother b/c the gap has closed). A 15yo hanging w/25yos? 25yos talking about social things that 25yos talk about? Or do they temper their conversation around "the kid"? Should they have to at that stage in life? Does that isolate the younger player or make her grow up faster in areas that are not "on the pitch"? I raised this way back when during a lengthy discussion on OM.

Look . . . if the path was so unique that turning pro provided an opportunity that might not otherwise be there (as in the case w/some of the teenage boys who stand to make million$$$), I'd counsel a different way. But I don't think that's the case as yet. It may change some day and there are even exceptions today (Horan's success v Pugh's path or Tierna going pro and thus availing herself of a World Cup bonus that she may not get in the future (since our senior team is so difficult to make and b/c injury and life can also get in the way).

I'm feel fortunate - and I think my daughter IS fortunate - that when she has to make that decision (if one is to be made), she will have plenty of people to consult with b/c of her youth, collegiate and YNT/WNT experience. There will be high end players, middle of the road players and those who clearly don't aspire for WC glory but are planning on playing for a year or two before grad school (in addition to coaches she has had and others w/whom she's developed relationships who can offer unbiased advice). And if my younger 2 get there, their sister will be their best advisor. Selfishly, I do hope she loves the game, has great success and is able to play at the next level. Why selfish? B/c how many people get to watch their children perform in their profession? I can say that in all the years that my parents were alive when I was in my profession (well, my mom died not long after I started practicing, my dad in the last couple of years), they never ONCE sat in my office and watched my draft or review a contract.

Sorry for the very long-winded replies. This is the stuff that I miss discussing w/folks in person over coffee or a beer, around a fire at a hotel during a tournament or a poke bowl at some strip all.

You lost me at "poke bowl".

 

[Dubs]

If my kids are in a position to play pro for a few years after college, I will encourage it. You only get that chance when young and what an experience. My first 4 years after college were (i) year 1: work to save money to travel for a few months, followed by work to save money followed by (ii) years 2, 3 and 4 as a public school teacher (emergency credential while taking night classes for my multi subject) followed by (iii) a summer as a volunteer for the 94 World Cup. Then grad school for 3 years and then my career. My guess is that many of you have similar stories of doing a lot of interesting things that did not pay well but helped frame the person you are today.

Sub those 4 years with a chance to be a pro athlete while my body is young and my mind is open ... seems pretty great. Would I expect one of my kids - daughters (my son is past this phase) - to make a living/career doing this? No. But that’s not the point because those first years can be years for the purpose of trying something or somewhere interesting before setting in for a life path. Would I want them to do that at 15 or 16? No because I think they give up a lot of what the sport can provide (elite athletes already give up a lot of what other kids experience) - helping to get an education (whether because of the scholarship or merely the access to resources), be on a college campus for those critical wonderful heartbreaking in-love-falling intellectually curious years, travel the country and maybe the world while the tab is picked up, make friends from a collective of other young adults in that 18-22 age group (how much is a 15 year old hanging out with a 28 year old pro? Should she be?). Sure, some kids could be pros as teens and get their higher education. But how many minor league baseball players who signed out of HS (i) don’t make the majors (most) and (ii) never go to college (many if not most)?

I acknowledge that other parents and kids may feel differently (though it really is incumbent on us as parents to help kids see a broad view, something that even the smartest most mature 15yo can struggle with (how can they project 10 years out when 10 years back was when they were 5? I mean, I’m 53. 10 yrs out is not that hard because 10 years ago I was 43 and pretty damn grown. Kids don’t have perspective because they can’t)). And this generation of girls may have more financial rewards than the current women and certainly more than in the past (thanks to the hard work by those very women!). But other than for the elite, will the system approximate the men’s system? Where a nice living can be carved out playing 2d division? And what about the many, MANY men who went to elite academies (not talking US) as boys who experience a peak as a 16yo? How many Freddy Adu type players are there playing in Germany, Spain, the Netherlands, England, etc? How many just a cut below whom we will never see? Do they have an education to fall back on? Unless the European education system has radically changed since I studied there a million years ago, the answer is “no”.

All kinds of Truth!

 

[crush]

Folly is in all of us and lot's of fun & joy to one who lacks judgment, but a man or a woman of understanding walks a straight path. Plans of a teenager fails when they only listen to thee advisor. With many advisors, victory is assured for dd

 

[crush]

I always had a hard time with spelling Bee contest when words sound the same but have different spellings. For example, As a verb, pair (or pair up or pair off) means to put two people or things together. ... The verb pare means to remove, trim, cut back, or make something smaller or shorter. The noun pear refers to the sweet, juicy fruit or to the tree that this fruit grows on. I used to spell parents as pairrents or a pair of rentals to watch over me. I was adopted so that would make sense to someone like me, right? A pair of two adults who helped baby crush with his diapers, a place to live, cloths, food and water and rent me for 18 years and then hand me off to the world. The greatest gift one can give a teenager is their freedom. I had dreams for my dd to be this and to do that and to marry this kind of guy and so on. That's my two cents

 

[EOTL]

If my kid is in a position to play pro before college or in lieu of going to school, I will encourage it. If my dd quits soccer altogether because men are selfish, then I will understand. Share the soccer loot with the woman that you need in order to survive.

Without Awoman, we have no man, Amen men? Now, mommy raised all these stud boys who are now pro soccer men making all the money. Some men say woman need to stay in da house. Some men say they need to go college. Some men say they need to do this and that. This man says pay the woman who helped all the boys make millions and billions a living wage in soccer. Find the money, trust me someone has way too much and their not sharing with the girls, who we all need to make this planet awesome and growing with more boys & girls

I am going to give you advice although I know you won’t take since you only make poor decisions. Stop fantasizing that there is money in women’s soccer other than where it is, which is college opportunity and potentially scholarship money. Stop encouraging your kid to make horrible life decisions by encouraging her to go pro instead of to college. You say you can’t afford cable, yet you would encourage your kid to squander her presumed ability to leverage soccer to obtain college opportunities so she can make $20,000 a year and end up like her daddy?

Anyone who encourages their under 18 child to go pro instead of going to college is doing it for their own vanity and to their child’s detriment. Realistically, you have decided while they are still a child - and before they’re remotely old enough to have any idea what they want to do in life - that they will never be a doctor, dentist, lawyer, get an MBA, or anything else that requires substantially more education than an undergrad degree. And although in theory they can go back and get an undergrad degree (or even a professional degree) after making $20k a year for years, you have significantly reduced the likelihood that will happen because women in their mid 20s are unlikely to start college for a lot of reasons. Worse, you have caused them to be in the worst possible financial position to spend four years (or more if they want to go to grad school) to get through college. And if they were good enough to go pro at 18, you have almost certainly deprived them of a Stanford or UCLA education and substantial scholarship money in exchange for College of Phoenix.

No 17 year old girl should give up so much opportunity to live their daddy’s fantasy. And although you might delude yourself into thinking your child knows they want to be a pro soccer player instead of going to college, a minor lacks the life experience and forethought to comprehend the consequences of the decision you’re making for them and are just too young to know what is best for them long term. You are the parent and, as such, have the obligation to direct them into making the right decision. I have a real hard time understanding why any parent would encourage their kid to get to the point that they are 23 years old and broke with no advanced education and no job skills, compared to having a Stanford or USC degree and sufficient life experience (and options) to decide then whether they’d rather be a pro soccer player, go to grad school, or get a job. But, then again, it’s you and we know you’re all about bad decisions and burning bridges on behalf of your kid.

I know you point to Moultrie as a model for your kid, but you fail to realize that she is not really a pro soccer player. She went pro as a Nike spokesperson who, in so doing, gave up her ability to play in college. But she also was apparently paid enough money to cover the scholarship she was giving up. That means she still has the option of going to college at 18, unlike the kid of the idiot dad who didn’t get that money from Nike but still convinced his kid to give up her future to play soccer for $20k a year.

 

[dk_b]

You lost me at "poke bowl".

My kids often hear me say, "I could eat poke (or sushi) every day." And I could and I would not complain.

 

[Soccer43]

I am going to give you advice although I know you won’t take since you only make poor decisions. Stop fantasizing that there is money in women’s soccer other than where it is, which is college opportunity and potentially scholarship money. Stop encouraging your kid to make horrible life decisions by encouraging her to go pro instead of to college. You say you can’t afford cable, yet you would encourage your kid to squander her presumed ability to leverage soccer to obtain college opportunities so she can make $20,000 a year and end up like her daddy?

Anyone who encourages their under 18 child to go pro instead of going to college is doing it for their own vanity and to their child’s detriment. Realistically, you have decided while they are still a child - and before they’re remotely old enough to have any idea what they want to do in life - that they will never be a doctor, dentist, lawyer, get an MBA, or anything else that requires substantially more education than an undergrad degree. And although in theory they can go back and get an undergrad degree (or even a professional degree) after making $20k a year for years, you have significantly reduced the likelihood that will happen because women in their mid 20s are unlikely to start college for a lot of reasons. Worse, you have caused them to be in the worst possible financial position to spend four years (or more if they want to go to grad school) to get through college. And if they were good enough to go pro at 18, you have almost certainly deprived them of a Stanford or UCLA education and substantial scholarship money in exchange for College of Phoenix.

No 17 year old girl should give up so much opportunity to live their daddy’s fantasy. And although you might delude yourself into thinking your child knows they want to be a pro soccer player instead of going to college, a minor lacks the life experience and forethought to comprehend the consequences of the decision you’re making for them and are just too young to know what is best for them long term. You are the parent and, as such, have the obligation to direct them into making the right decision. I have a real hard time understanding why any parent would encourage their kid to get to the point that they are 23 years old and broke with no advanced education and no job skills, compared to having a Stanford or USC degree and sufficient life experience (and options) to decide then whether they’d rather be a pro soccer player, go to grad school, or get a job. But, then again, it’s you and we know you’re all about bad decisions and burning bridges on behalf of your kid.

I know you point to Moultrie as a model for your kid, but you fail to realize that she is not really a pro soccer player. She went pro as a Nike spokesperson who, in so doing, gave up her ability to play in college. But she also was apparently paid enough money to cover the scholarship she was giving up. That means she still has the option of going to college at 18, unlike the kid of the idiot dad who didn’t get that money from Nike but still convinced his kid to give up her future to play soccer for $20k a year.

absolutely on target here!

 

[crush]

I am going to give you advice although I know you won’t take since you only make poor decisions. Stop fantasizing that there is money in women’s soccer other than where it is, which is college opportunity and potentially scholarship money. Stop encouraging your kid to make horrible life decisions by encouraging her to go pro instead of to college. You say you can’t afford cable, yet you would encourage your kid to squander her presumed ability to leverage soccer to obtain college opportunities so she can make $20,000 a year and end up like her daddy?

Anyone who encourages their under 18 child to go pro instead of going to college is doing it for their own vanity and to their child’s detriment. Realistically, you have decided while they are still a child - and before they’re remotely old enough to have any idea what they want to do in life - that they will never be a doctor, dentist, lawyer, get an MBA, or anything else that requires substantially more education than an undergrad degree. And although in theory they can go back and get an undergrad degree (or even a professional degree) after making $20k a year for years, you have significantly reduced the likelihood that will happen because women in their mid 20s are unlikely to start college for a lot of reasons. Worse, you have caused them to be in the worst possible financial position to spend four years (or more if they want to go to grad school) to get through college. And if they were good enough to go pro at 18, you have almost certainly deprived them of a Stanford or UCLA education and substantial scholarship money in exchange for College of Phoenix.

No 17 year old girl should give up so much opportunity to live their daddy’s fantasy. And although you might delude yourself into thinking your child knows they want to be a pro soccer player instead of going to college, a minor lacks the life experience and forethought to comprehend the consequences of the decision you’re making for them and are just too young to know what is best for them long term. You are the parent and, as such, have the obligation to direct them into making the right decision. I have a real hard time understanding why any parent would encourage their kid to get to the point that they are 23 years old and broke with no advanced education and no job skills, compared to having a Stanford or USC degree and sufficient life experience (and options) to decide then whether they’d rather be a pro soccer player, go to grad school, or get a job. But, then again, it’s you and we know you’re all about bad decisions and burning bridges on behalf of your kid.

I know you point to Moultrie as a model for your kid, but you fail to realize that she is not really a pro soccer player. She went pro as a Nike spokesperson who, in so doing, gave up her ability to play in college. But she also was apparently paid enough money to cover the scholarship she was giving up. That means she still has the option of going to college at 18, unlike the kid of the idiot dad who didn’t get that money from Nike but still convinced his kid to give up her future to play soccer for $20k a year.

Doc, I understand what your business model is about and the only way you make your coin. You get paid to bring girls to college through soccer. The middleman is not needed anymore after Covid 19 is over. Girls will be able to whatever they want, unless Mr control freak tells them what is best for them. Money will not be a problem, trust me. Freedom is coming soon!!!

 

[crush]

absolutely on target here!

43, your so wrong!!!!

 

[crush]

absolutely on target here!

On target? Are you serious? Enjoy being with the Doc of all Docs. Wow 43, amazing!!!

 

[crush]

Hey everyone, this is not a vow. This is me listening to many advisors. I poke the bear too much and now bear is mad and is showing teeth and making threats. So I give the forum to yours truly, EOTL. He wanted it all and he was the one WHO said he's all powerful and always right. He wants me gone and now you all know why. Enjoy the forum everyone. Soccer will get way better some day USA!!!!!!!!

 

[MacDre]

I love Marshawn. My older kid (and my younger ones when there is a HS season) played Tech in non-league games and the ones at their house always made me think of that guy (and Rickey, of course).

Motherhood for college-educated women is starting later on average. I am not too worried about that w/r/t my own daughters. They are surrounded by professional women - attorneys, Drs, scientists - and they know that it can be done as a parent but the challenge is real.

I did make a passing reference to the social situation of a young player among adult pros but I want to return to it. My kids are 4 years apart - my oldest (22), next (18) and next (14, 14). My younger daughters idolize their older sister and I love it when they are together (but for Covid, I'd have let them head to campus to hang with big sis as I did as a HS freshman when my next closest sibling was a frosh at UCSB). But there are conversations of my 18yo that I have overheard and I can remember being 18 myself and it is clear that my 14yos are NOT their sister's peers (my 18yo can hang w/her older brother b/c the gap has closed). A 15yo hanging w/25yos? 25yos talking about social things that 25yos talk about? Or do they temper their conversation around "the kid"? Should they have to at that stage in life? Does that isolate the younger player or make her grow up faster in areas that are not "on the pitch"? I raised this way back when during a lengthy discussion on OM.

Look . . . if the path was so unique that turning pro provided an opportunity that might not otherwise be there (as in the case w/some of the teenage boys who stand to make million$$$), I'd counsel a different way. But I don't think that's the case as yet. It may change some day and there are even exceptions today (Horan's success v Pugh's path or Tierna going pro and thus availing herself of a World Cup bonus that she may not get in the future (since our senior team is so difficult to make and b/c injury and life can also get in the way).

I'm feel fortunate - and I think my daughter IS fortunate - that when she has to make that decision (if one is to be made), she will have plenty of people to consult with b/c of her youth, collegiate and YNT/WNT experience. There will be high end players, middle of the road players and those who clearly don't aspire for WC glory but are planning on playing for a year or two before grad school (in addition to coaches she has had and others w/whom she's developed relationships who can offer unbiased advice). And if my younger 2 get there, their sister will be their best advisor. Selfishly, I do hope she loves the game, has great success and is able to play at the next level. Why selfish? B/c how many people get to watch their children perform in their profession? I can say that in all the years that my parents were alive when I was in my profession (well, my mom died not long after I started practicing, my dad in the last couple of years), they never ONCE sat in my office and watched my draft or review a contract.

Sorry for the very long-winded replies. This is the stuff that I miss discussing w/folks in person over coffee or a beer, around a fire at a hotel during a tournament or a poke bowl at some strip all.

I think the social situation can be extremely difficult for a 15 year old at a foreign club. For the most part futbol clubs are cutthroat competitive environments not conducive to making friends. For players coming from a typical soccer club environment there will be class issues and language barriers to overcome too. Most of the players at the clubs have Ph.D’s; they’re Poor, Hungry, & Determined. Players are fighting to pull their families out of abject poverty and it’s hard to compete against them if one is merely playing for fun.

You are 100% correct about the social issues and anyone considering my path should also note that my player has been at Club Tijuana since she was 4 and will possibly be the first person to start with the 4-5 years old age group and make it to the first team for Xolo’s. The coaching staff feels as if she is their work product and she’s probably getting special treatment. My player has the option of hanging with the U17 team but the social dynamic is weird because most on the U17 team know their “competitive” futbol careers will be over at 16 when they aren’t selected for the first team and cut loose. And it’s an open secret my player is going to the first team. So imagine being the youngest and ALL of the older girls are jealous and resentful. I don’t know how (I think it’s b/c she’s German) but my daughters best friend is interested in sports management and will be traveling to all games with her. I am authorized to travel with the team too.

If I were German-American club wanting to explore German culture close to home, Tijuana would be my first choice as the owners and many of the power brokers in Mexico are German. There’s a German International School located on the Club Tijuana facility. Beginning in middle school my kid started hanging with the German kids and her conversational German is getting good. I recently learned that Texas was actually the German part of Mexico before it was lost to the USA. So, as strange as it may seem the German kids in Mexico still speak German and they aren’t recent immigrants either.

Wifey gets her second dose of the Pfizer vaccine this upcoming Saturday so we’ll have plenty of time to chop it up over a beverage of your choice soon. First round on me.

 

[suzysoccer1]

Big pipe dream, right 43 lol. Dream the dreams bro and let the dreamers dream whatever dreams they want for their life. OM has worked harder then anyone I know that my dd played against and saw her hard work first hand. She has a dream and Nike is helping her with that dream. She has all the skills one needs to go to the next level. Can she hang athletically and mentally is going to be the question? I wish her nothing but the best and I applaud her for going all in for soccer. I can tell you the little that I do know about her is she is 100% committed to be the best she can be. Her parents have the means to support that dream and she even earned a pro contract at 13 years old and walked away from college game.

Guaranteed she plays one semester at UNC in 2023. Then leaves and goes overseas. Heard it here first.

 

[suzysoccer1]

I am going to give you advice although I know you won’t take since you only make poor decisions. Stop fantasizing that there is money in women’s soccer other than where it is, which is college opportunity and potentially scholarship money. Stop encouraging your kid to make horrible life decisions by encouraging her to go pro instead of to college. You say you can’t afford cable, yet you would encourage your kid to squander her presumed ability to leverage soccer to obtain college opportunities so she can make $20,000 a year and end up like her daddy?

Anyone who encourages their under 18 child to go pro instead of going to college is doing it for their own vanity and to their child’s detriment. Realistically, you have decided while they are still a child - and before they’re remotely old enough to have any idea what they want to do in life - that they will never be a doctor, dentist, lawyer, get an MBA, or anything else that requires substantially more education than an undergrad degree. And although in theory they can go back and get an undergrad degree (or even a professional degree) after making $20k a year for years, you have significantly reduced the likelihood that will happen because women in their mid 20s are unlikely to start college for a lot of reasons. Worse, you have caused them to be in the worst possible financial position to spend four years (or more if they want to go to grad school) to get through college. And if they were good enough to go pro at 18, you have almost certainly deprived them of a Stanford or UCLA education and substantial scholarship money in exchange for College of Phoenix.

No 17 year old girl should give up so much opportunity to live their daddy’s fantasy. And although you might delude yourself into thinking your child knows they want to be a pro soccer player instead of going to college, a minor lacks the life experience and forethought to comprehend the consequences of the decision you’re making for them and are just too young to know what is best for them long term. You are the parent and, as such, have the obligation to direct them into making the right decision. I have a real hard time understanding why any parent would encourage their kid to get to the point that they are 23 years old and broke with no advanced education and no job skills, compared to having a Stanford or USC degree and sufficient life experience (and options) to decide then whether they’d rather be a pro soccer player, go to grad school, or get a job. But, then again, it’s you and we know you’re all about bad decisions and burning bridges on behalf of your kid.

I know you point to Moultrie as a model for your kid, but you fail to realize that she is not really a pro soccer player. She went pro as a Nike spokesperson who, in so doing, gave up her ability to play in college. But she also was apparently paid enough money to cover the scholarship she was giving up. That means she still has the option of going to college at 18, unlike the kid of the idiot dad who didn’t get that money from Nike but still convinced his kid to give up her future to play soccer for $20k a year.

Damn it to hell. I usually disagree with you on everything but here you are spot on. Got to give credit when it’s good.

 

[dk_b]

Guaranteed she plays one semester at UNC in 2023. Then leaves and goes overseas. Heard it here first.

How would she regain her NCAA eligibility if she has received payment for a sports-related endorsement deal? (I'm not taking issue with what you are saying but just curious)

 

[dad4]

How would she regain her NCAA eligibility if she has received payment for a sports-related endorsement deal? (I'm not taking issue with what you are saying but just curious)

I suspect it will have something to do with athletes regaining control of their name, image, and likeness. Has OM actually received money to play, or only to endorse?

 

[EOTL]

How would she regain her NCAA eligibility if she has received payment for a sports-related endorsement deal? (I'm not taking issue with what you are saying but just curious)

For now she can’t. That said, I suspect her parents understood which way the wind was blowing with NCAA restrictions prohibiting players from benefiting financially from endorsements and took a calculated gamble that the NCAA will change those rules by the time she is a freshman. Note that she hasn’t taken money to play because, if she had, she’d be done.

 

[warrior49]

Follow OM's parents on Instagram sometime and see what time it is. Peddling essential oils and how "successful" their daughter is... because of said essential oils. Nonsense. Like EOTL said, she's largely a spokesperson for Nike. Though I really have to ask who is going to buy Nike cleats because OM wears them? Come on. Pick an athlete who's done something.

 

[Kicker4Life]

I am going to give you advice although I know you won’t take since you only make poor decisions. Stop fantasizing that there is money in women’s soccer other than where it is, which is college opportunity and potentially scholarship money. Stop encouraging your kid to make horrible life decisions by encouraging her to go pro instead of to college. You say you can’t afford cable, yet you would encourage your kid to squander her presumed ability to leverage soccer to obtain college opportunities so she can make $20,000 a year and end up like her daddy?

Anyone who encourages their under 18 child to go pro instead of going to college is doing it for their own vanity and to their child’s detriment. Realistically, you have decided while they are still a child - and before they’re remotely old enough to have any idea what they want to do in life - that they will never be a doctor, dentist, lawyer, get an MBA, or anything else that requires substantially more education than an undergrad degree. And although in theory they can go back and get an undergrad degree (or even a professional degree) after making $20k a year for years, you have significantly reduced the likelihood that will happen because women in their mid 20s are unlikely to start college for a lot of reasons. Worse, you have caused them to be in the worst possible financial position to spend four years (or more if they want to go to grad school) to get through college. And if they were good enough to go pro at 18, you have almost certainly deprived them of a Stanford or UCLA education and substantial scholarship money in exchange for College of Phoenix.

No 17 year old girl should give up so much opportunity to live their daddy’s fantasy. And although you might delude yourself into thinking your child knows they want to be a pro soccer player instead of going to college, a minor lacks the life experience and forethought to comprehend the consequences of the decision you’re making for them and are just too young to know what is best for them long term. You are the parent and, as such, have the obligation to direct them into making the right decision. I have a real hard time understanding why any parent would encourage their kid to get to the point that they are 23 years old and broke with no advanced education and no job skills, compared to having a Stanford or USC degree and sufficient life experience (and options) to decide then whether they’d rather be a pro soccer player, go to grad school, or get a job. But, then again, it’s you and we know you’re all about bad decisions and burning bridges on behalf of your kid.

I know you point to Moultrie as a model for your kid, but you fail to realize that she is not really a pro soccer player. She went pro as a Nike spokesperson who, in so doing, gave up her ability to play in college. But she also was apparently paid enough money to cover the scholarship she was giving up. That means she still has the option of going to college at 18, unlike the kid of the idiot dad who didn’t get that money from Nike but still convinced his kid to give up her future to play soccer for $20k a year.

It’s rare we see eye to eye, but you have a valid point and it should be acknowledged...My DD’s will go to college and if they want to keep playing after that and pro is an option, as another poster mentioned, why not! They are still networking, traveling, learning and experiencing life. All things they can parlay into their future endeavors.