dk_b
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That's what I was assuming and it will be interesting to see how it plays out. The sums she received may be very different than limits the NCAA may impose (I'd expect some).
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That's what I was assuming and it will be interesting to see how it plays out. The sums she received may be very different than limits the NCAA may impose (I'd expect some).
suzysoccer1
SILVER
Because she the player received nothing. She didn’t sign a soccer deal she signed a PR, modeling, acting deal. Just like a kid who is a actor or model. Money my guess was placed in a trust or parent run company. The assumption was she is pro at soccer when in legal reality in the U.S. you can not be until 18. Therefore the only reason she couldn’t play D1 is financial benefits to her or signing with an agent. Did she sign with an agent or did her parents? Legally not one is the same. The parents are way to smart to not find a way. My guess August of 2023 she is playing soccer at UNC wins a naty then signs her pro deal with Barca after the NCAA’s. By the time anyone figures it out she is already gone and who the hell in the NCAA is gonna punish Anson Dorance. Nobody.
dk_b
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Her endorsement is because of the sport and that has, historically, been disqualifying. And whether she signed or her parents did on her behalf may be a distinction without a difference.
it is a new era and by ‘23, I’m quite certain some level of compensation will be permitted. The only question to me is what limitations will be imposed and then how will those be tested.
I hope she is able to play because I’d like to see her in that environment. And your bold prediction is interesting - not sure I’d ever have such certainty with such a young athlete. A lot of 18 yo can’t miss hoopsters we never hear from again. But, of course, there is LeBron.
OM was a test case for Nike in terms of determining whether a 13 year old girl can be a lucrative brand ambassador, not because it believed she is destined for greatness. The ridiculous era of the social media brand ambassador is still relatively new and there are often surprises about what does and doesn’t work. It’s not like the parents of a kid that good have ever knocked on Nike’s door willing to throw away a free ride from the likes of UNC for a few shekels before, so why not try out a 13 year old girl since the price is right and see what happens?
Looking at this from the outside, OM doesn’t work. The aggressive social media campaign seems to have tapered off, and neither she nor Nike seem particularly motivated to move Nike product through her at this point. The group you’d think would be Nike’s target, elite girls soccer players, mostly roll their eyes when she’s mentioned instead of running out to buy cleats. And those outside the world of elite girls soccer have no idea who she is or why she’s in a Nike ad, and couldn’t care less. You could throw any 13 year old girl into a Nike ad and the only people who recognize her are people who don’t seem to be drawn to Nike because of her.
Maybe Nike looked at signing her as an investment in the future in case she someday becomes a star, but I doubt it. If there is one thing Nike has perfected, it’s determining potential. Yes, she seems to be incredibly motivated to be the best soccer player she can be and is technically remarkable for her age. However, undeniable fact is that her ceiling is capped by her relatively limited athletic ability, and Nike certainly knew that at the time. There is no amount of technical ability that makes up for the deficit in pure speed and quickness. Regardless, there’s only room in the U.S. for three WNT midfielders per generation who can conceivably sell product in any quantity. The odds that any 13 year old kid will become one of them is only slightly better than the odds that you will see a dinosaur. There’s no way Nike spent $100k or more on a 13 year old when recent federal lawsuits have shown us that $25k (plus the 5 cent paper bag the cash comes in) is the going rate for an 18 year old male HS basketball star.
Soccerfan2
GOLD
She receives a shitload of Nike gear, which I have to hear about from my jealous DD when she sees her. “Mom she has a different pair of NICE Nike’s every single day!”
Would be nice to see her end up playing in college, but I doubt it. They (parents and her) want the pro environment, not just the endorsement. If the NWSL is still going, I think she’ll be there. Interesting perspective on giving up amateur status though - hasn’t thought about that before.
MacDre
PREMIER
Damn. They had me fooled.
Isn’t fooling people the entire point of advertising?
If you have a son that is very talented and is trying to make a career of soccer, then yes. That kid should skip college and try to play in Europe. If you have a daughter that is talented but will probably not make the USWNT, I would definitely have her play in college while getting a degree. The payout from a college degree is way more than playing professional soccer (at this point).
warrior49
SILVER
That's the million dollar question. Politics. The best players in the nation are not necessarily on the USWNT.
suzysoccer1
SILVER
RU serious? Do you have any clue how hard a game international soccer is? For fuck sake.
Making the Full U.S. Women’s National Soccer Team is such a insurmountable accomplishment words often times don’t account for how hard it is. One does not “make the team” your never on the team really. It always changes. You have to earn that shit and then you have to TAKE AWAY a spot from a player who is the best in the world at her chosen craft. No one is 40 on the team. Players are on the roster for one reason only they are better than the next closet option. But if you think for hot damn second for example Carly Lloyd is just gonna step aside to give someone else a chance. No way, never.
suzysoccer1
SILVER
Where are they then?
That’s ridiculous. The core players have won two straight World Cups and caused the WNT to go on the longest and best run in its history and anyone’s history for that matter. This batch of players comprise the most dominating team in the history of women’s soccer. They’re not only great individually, but the sum of the their parts is even greater than that. There’s no debate. None.
warrior49
SILVER
Not sure. I'm just going by my kid's club days, when we saw US scouts come tournaments and pick girls for camp. Most of them never seen again at camp. Most were busts. Not saying we don't have great players,
Ok my bad. I take it back ; ) But I have often wondered about the age of some of the USWNT players.
suzysoccer1
SILVER
I agree with you on the youth team call ups. Those often times are US Soccer just looking at player and a weeding out process. We IMO dot have the best YNT system U23 and down. Often times yes with prior WNT coaches maybe they didn’t look at more players in a camp call up situation. That’s a totally fair assessment.
MacDre
PREMIER
What’s make international soccer so difficult?
Why does the EU/UK produce so many different “national teams” (England, France, Spain, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Scotland etc.) and we keep the same players until they are in their late 30’s? My BS meter is going off.
Check back tomorrow morning.....
dk_b
GOLD
Here’s a chart with the average age from the 2019 WWC. Of note, Japan went from the 2d oldest in 2015 to the 2d youngest in 2019. Also of note, our average age was about the same in 2019 and 2015 so there is turnover at roughly the same rate WC by WC (or it would skew older by 3 to 4 years (it was 27 in 2011, 28 in 2015 and 28.6 in 2019)). Given our vast player population, I think the odds are that we will tend to be the oldest or near the oldest team but, really, the average age is not that different. And given that there is such limited substitution, what would be more interesting to me would be to analyze is average age by minutes played.
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it is impossible or nearly impossible to make the full Women’s national team. Period. Those women are studs and not just soccer wise. They have the full dog mentality. That’s why so so so many women don’t or will ever make it.
Why don’t we see more player turnover? Cuz they are freaking studs. Is there politics involved? Sure. Are there other players out there that could make it and be as good? Probably. But that’s true of any team anywhere. It takes some luck and connections and intangibles to make it.
but we are talking about such a slim margin here. These are the best women in the world.
other nations are on the right track to catch us. But the gap is still there.
mexico is doing a good job growing their league. I wouldn’t take my kid there instead of playing in college in America. Maybe in 5 years it will be a better bath to pro but right now it isn’t.
Why don’t we see more player turnover? Cuz they are freaking studs. Is there politics involved? Sure. Are there other players out there that could make it and be as good? Probably. But that’s true of any team anywhere. It takes some luck and connections and intangibles to make it.
but we are talking about such a slim margin here. These are the best women in the world.
other nations are on the right track to catch us. But the gap is still there.
mexico is doing a good job growing their league. I wouldn’t take my kid there instead of playing in college in America. Maybe in 5 years it will be a better bath to pro but right now it isn’t.