Cal Berkeley Coach (women) abusive

Soccerfan2 said:
Maybe you lacked an example of good leadership and good teammates in your life to be asking those questions? Good leaders build you up and value the roles of everyone on the team, no matter how small. Good teammates don’t quit on you - they keep giving their all to improve.
I’ll respond to your questions as hypotheticals. The only people really in a place to judge Cal are those that have played there and my DD’s have not. I’ve not heard complaints from the players we know that are there now.
First, it’s a problem because that player was recruited by said coach. Why doesn’t coach yell at himself that he sucks for shitty recruiting or coaching? Leaders take responsibility. In fact one of the complaint letters was written by a player who started all 4 years, so that can’t be the core issue. Second, it’s a problem because fear based leadership results in inferior performance, as evidenced widely in both business and sports. Provide the player some objective criteria and results and be a resource for that player about how to improve. You can be clear and direct without being insulting. Coach and teacher are special professions and if you aren’t in them to care for and make all your kids better people, you don’t deserve the privilege. Third, it’s a problem because it goes against the intent of the 4 year scholarship guarantee that the power 5 schools entered into voluntarily.
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Thanks for your response. I had good coaches and teammates. I just think your analysis is one sided and lacking because you are only looking at this issue from the perspective of disgruntled players. You have not considered Neil’s position. You have not considered the University’s position. You have not questioned why Alex Morgan, Abigail Kim, Luka Deza and others that are in the National Team pool and playing in the NWSL have not come out in solidarity against Neil. You have not questioned your kids friends at Cal silence on the issue. If these allegations are true, the above players are just as guilty as Neil and should be held accountable.

The fact remains currently there is an average of less than 3 complaints per year over the past 10 years. With an average roster of 35 players it seems more than reasonable to me to only have to tell less than 3 folks per year, you suck and kick rocks; recruiting isn’t an exact science but based on the above numbers I am relatively certain that you can’t substantiate your claim of bad recruiting at this juncture.

I think you make a valid point regarding players keeping there scholarship all 4 years, which leads me to my next point. Is it Neil or the system? Even if Neil is replaced, the new coach will be faced with finding creative solutions to problems inherent to the process. Someone mentioned that UCLA has 40 players on their roster, do you seriously think the coach is trying to make all 40 better or maybe just focusing on the chosen ones?
 
MacDre said:
Thanks for your response. I had good coaches and teammates. I just think your analysis is one sided and lacking because you are only looking at this issue from the perspective of disgruntled players. You have not considered Neil’s position. You have not considered the University’s position. You have not questioned why Alex Morgan, Abigail Kim, Luka Deza and others that are in the National Team pool and playing in the NWSL have not come out in solidarity against Neil. You have not questioned your kids friends at Cal silence on the issue. If these allegations are true, the above players are just as guilty as Neil and should be held accountable.

The fact remains currently there is an average of less than 3 complaints per year over the past 10 years. With an average roster of 35 players it seems more than reasonable to me to only have to tell less than 3 folks per year, you suck and kick rocks; recruiting isn’t an exact science but based on the above numbers I am relatively certain that you can’t substantiate your claim of bad recruiting at this juncture.

I think you make a valid point regarding players keeping there scholarship all 4 years, which leads me to my next point. Is it Neil or the system? Even if Neil is replaced, the new coach will be faced with finding creative solutions to problems inherent to the process. Someone mentioned that UCLA has 40 players on their roster, do you seriously think the coach is trying to make all 40 better or maybe just focusing on the chosen ones?
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SMH. You didn’t comprehend most of what I said, and you don’t know what you don’t know. Lol. Merry Christmas!
 
Soccerfan2 said:
and you don’t know what you don’t know.
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Bingo, and that is precisely why I have not taken a position on this issue because I feel the evidence is grossly inadequate at this point. Why do you think the aforementioned players are not coming out in solidarity against Neil?
 
MacDre said:
Bingo, and that is precisely why I have not taken a position on this issue because I feel the evidence is grossly inadequate at this point. Why do you think the aforementioned players are not coming out in solidarity against Neil?
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I told you clearly I was answering your question as a hypothetical and was not making a judgement about Cal.
Also, you did take a position, and as usual, you’re all over the place.
 
MacDre said:
Bingo, and that is precisely why I have not taken a position on this issue because I feel the evidence is grossly inadequate at this point. Why do you think the aforementioned players are not coming out in solidarity against Neil?
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Turn that around, Mac. Why have they not come in to publicly support him? Not one former player has gone on record to support while at least 1 pro (anonymous) and 1 all-American (w/her name) have signed on as two of the more than 2 dozen athletes who have come forward. This may all be much ado about nothing or a series of misunderstandings or just disgruntled players - we just don’t know. I, for one, don’t consider silence by anyone to carry any meaning. Whether supportive of coach or players, speaking out publicly can be difficult.
 
dk_b said:
Turn that around, Mac. Why have they not come in to publicly support him? Not one former player has gone on record to support while at least 1 pro (anonymous) and 1 all-American (w/her name) have signed on as two of the more than 2 dozen athletes who have come forward. This may all be much ado about nothing or a series of misunderstandings or just disgruntled players - we just don’t know. I, for one, don’t consider silence by anyone to carry any meaning. Whether supportive of coach or players, speaking out publicly can be difficult.
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I agree 100%. I care and I am actually asking tough questions to gather evidence to present to folks in my circle to help assist in anyway I can. I also understand that it will take courage on behalf of the players to come forward and some may be black balled for doing so. But folks need to realize that it is also wrong to ruin Neil’s career with primarily speculation and conjecture. The man has a family and I believe a player in college currently. Has anyone considered how Neil getting fired for a misunderstanding could adversely impact his family?
 
Soccerfan2 said:
Also, you did take a position, and as usual, you’re all over the place.
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I have consistently maintained that I do not yet have enough information to make a decision. In fact, up thread when @happy9 accused me of defending Neil, I responded that “I am not defending, I am investigating.” Why do you have a problem with me taking the position that I need more facts and investigating?
 
MacDre said:
I have failed to communicate so I’ll try again using your example of Ertz. I think it is relatively clear by time a kid is 15 if they have the ability to play at the highest levels. Maybe Ertz’ was burned out or hanging in the dorms at Stanford securing the ring on her finger and the surname Ertz. Once she whipped it on Mr. Ertz and had his nose wide opened she again focused on soccer. I don’t know that I’d call that development though.
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Julie Ertz went to Santa Clara not Stanford.
 
dk_b said:
Huh? It’s not easy for many people to voice opinions that may be controversial when the attribution is clear. It happens in the workplace, in many marriages, in schools. You disagree with that?
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I'm supportive. #metoo and the stupid cancel culture makes speaking out far more confrontational than it used to be and actually does far more harm than the dialog. It's bs.
 
MrCruett said:
I'm supportive. #metoo and the stupid cancel culture makes speaking out far more confrontational than it used to be and actually does far more harm than the dialog. It's bs.
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#MeToo has done a great deal to deter sexually harassing behavior everywhere, even if there are unfortunate byproducts, including people swallowing whole false or misleading claims on occasion.

Also, there is no such thing as “cancel culture”. That’s just the snowflake term people use when they don’t like the First Amendment being used against them, or to be held accountable for their abhorrent actions.
 
EOTL said:
#MeToo has done a great deal to deter sexually harassing behavior everywhere, even if there are unfortunate byproducts, including people swallowing whole false or misleading claims on occasion.

Also, there is no such thing as “cancel culture”. That’s just the snowflake term people use when they don’t like the First Amendment being used against them, or to be held accountable for their abhorrent actions.
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In it's original form it was a very effective way to unite. But it now means nothing bc it's been trivialize and weaponized.

For instance if I said, "Hey @EOTL, I wish you would eat shit."

@EOTL would say..."#metoo".
 
MrCruett said:
I'm supportive. #metoo and the stupid cancel culture makes speaking out far more confrontational than it used to be and actually does far more harm than the dialog. It's bs.
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It was not easier to speak out in the past - it has always been difficult and maybe it seems confrontational because, despite still being difficult, more people do speak out these days and when they speak out, a two-sided confrontation often ensues (as opposed to the unilateral bullying or abuse that was all too common for generations)
 
dk_b said:
Turn that around, Mac. Why have they not come in to publicly support him? Not one former player has gone on record to support while at least 1 pro (anonymous) and 1 all-American (w/her name) have signed on as two of the more than 2 dozen athletes who have come forward. This may all be much ado about nothing or a series of misunderstandings or just disgruntled players - we just don’t know. I, for one, don’t consider silence by anyone to carry any meaning. Whether supportive of coach or players, speaking out publicly can be difficult.
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In todays culture of how dare a woman not support another woman in this type of situation is why...not as easy as you think
 
soccer4us said:
In todays culture of how dare a woman not support another woman in this type of situation is why...not as easy as you think
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did I say it was easy? I said that whichever way one would speak out on this topic would not be easy. Taking a public position on a controversial topic is hard for many - maybe most - people who can’t hide behind the cloak of internet anonymity. It’s never been easy and given human nature, it never will be.
 
dk_b said:
did I say it was easy? I said that whichever way one would speak out on this topic would not be easy. Taking a public position on a controversial topic is hard for many - maybe most - people who can’t hide behind the cloak of internet anonymity. It’s never been easy and given human nature, it never will be.
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Either way, it's hard DK. Should I say something and speak up? If I do, they will attack me and make up stuff and say I'm crazy and on meds. If you say nothing, you live with what you know all by yourself. If you speak up, will you still have friends or will they all bail on you?
 
crush said:
Either way, it's hard DK. Should I say something and speak up? If I do, they will attack me and make up stuff and say I'm crazy and on meds. If you say nothing, you live with what you know all by yourself. If you speak up, will you still have friends or will they all bail on you?
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I have asked every starting striker at Cal for the past 7 years about Neil ( all of African descent) and the environment at Cal. If the allegations are true, they all looked me in the face and told a bald faced lie. I need to hear from Alex Morgan and those strikers because if they are not part of the solution they are part of the problem. If the environment is that bad, why is it okay for grown ass women to intentionally mislead little kids and their parents a Cal camps; I think there should be consequences and repercussions for this type of behavior. To me this shows a lack of character and a person that’s willing to do or say anything to get theirs-selfish.

I would also be interested in hearing from a young lady that graduated last year, started, and has a weight problem. Again, if these allegations are true, she blew the most smoke up my ass. My wife was curious as to how this player was successful at Cal due to her physical appearance. I inquired about her experience with Neil and she told me that all is great at Cal and that she was not entering the draft but was going to try playing in Europe after graduation.
 
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