Cal Berkeley Coach (women) abusive

suzysoccer1 said:
Yeah I figured this would be your response. Uneducated, personal attacks, merit less and void of anything to offer anybody of substance on here. You offer nothing to this forum. Your a waste of everyone’s time. You would of been laughed of this forum 5-7 years ago. You post nothing but anti soccer girl rhetoric. You think your some kind of in the know soccer dad. You don’t know shit. I’ve been kicking your ass all day on this forum, and your reply was about happy pills! That’s it. So why don’t you go take some pills to grow a bigger dick and balls. Merry Christmas
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You’re hella funny Suzy. Suzy you don’t know me or who I know. Why are you all into your feelings and taking things personally? What anti soccer girl rhetoric have I posted? Sharing is caring, so please share the information that you are withholding because I just don’t get it. I’m all ears Suzy!
 
MacDre said:
You’re hella funny Suzy. Suzy you don’t know me or who I know. Why are you all into your feelings and taking things personally? What anti soccer girl rhetoric have I posted? Sharing is caring, so please share the information that you are withholding because I just don’t get it. I’m all ears Suzy!
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Mac....with all due respect, I think it’s in your messaging. Correct me if I’m wrong, but the point you are trying to make is that by a certain age (15), there are fundamental physical and emotional attributes that the “elite” possess. Things that don’t really develop, like instincts, drive, etc. If that’s you’re point, I agree on the majority, but there will always be outliers those that beat the odds).

But to say they don’t “develop”, after a young age like 15, in a blanket way is a tough perspective to understand.
 
suzysoccer1 said:
Yeah I figured this would be your response. Uneducated, personal attacks, merit less and void of anything to offer anybody of substance on here. You offer nothing to this forum. Your a waste of everyone’s time. You would of been laughed of this forum 5-7 years ago. You post nothing but anti soccer girl rhetoric. You think your some kind of in the know soccer dad. You don’t know shit. I’ve been kicking your ass all day on this forum, and your reply was about happy pills! That’s it. So why don’t you go take some pills to grow a bigger dick and balls. Merry Christmas
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I think you called him stupid right off the bat, so maybe getting upset that he went personal in response isn’t the best argument. I also think you’re overstating your performance here today. If you want to see a master class in over-the-top condescending winning, please refer back to my definitive works on knee injury avoidance, the inevitable demise of GDA, and my explanation why no one would ever learn about Cromwell’s “knowledge” in the Singer scandal. Spoiler alert, it is not due to a conspiracy among the UCLA chancellor, the LA Times, the US Attorney’s office and Grandma Annenberg. (Yes, @Desert Hound, I was wrong that ECNL would not play in AZ in 2020 but you must admit I was pretty darn close and, given where we are in this pandemic, even the city of Phoenix realizes it was a mistake.)

You have presented one way of looking at things, and one which is often accurate. But elite sports is not all rainbows and butterflies either, and the lack of information about the other side of the story makes it inappropriate to pass judgment, especially when even the allegations by the former disgruntled students are as thin as they are, and the way they describe some of the incidents doesn’t seem particularly credible, while others seem very petty in support of an article that claims “abuse”.
 
MacDre said:
24 ladies over a 10 year period, is less than 3 per year, which doesn’t seem that bad to me.

Context is important and I think it important to acknowledge that we are talking about Cal and not Stanford. They hold your hand at Stanford but it’s sink or swim at Cal.

Freshman classes at Cal oftentimes are auditoriums and students never meet their rockstar professor. The grading curve at Cal also creates a competitive as opposed to the collaborative learning environment at Stanford.

So if the professors at Cal are not accessible and the grading curve washes folks out academically, why is a culture that is appropriate in an academic context inappropriate in a sports context? Neil is a D1 coach of young ladies not a babysitter.

Can’t blame Neil because these young ladies are struggling with the maturation process of being independent and responsible. Why aren’t they showing up prepared for their commitment? Would you expect a professor to tolerate players missing assignments and showing up to class unprepared?
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I wouldn't expect a professor to degrade and belittle any student. In my experience, college professors could care less if you are unprepared or if you even show up for class. If you don't do the work, you fail out, end of story. Have you ever heard of professor tell a student they were a waste of a scholarship?
 
TOSDCI said:
Have you ever heard of professor tell a student they were a waste of a scholarship?
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No. But why is it a problem for a P5 D1 coach to tell a player they’re a waste of a scholarship because they suck? Wouldn’t a good teammate just “take one for the team” and quit because they suck?
 
EOTL said:
I think you called him stupid right off the bat, so maybe getting upset that he went personal in response isn’t the best argument. I also think you’re overstating your performance here today. If you want to see a master class in over-the-top condescending winning, please refer back to my definitive works on knee injury avoidance, the inevitable demise of GDA, and my explanation why no one would ever learn about Cromwell’s “knowledge” in the Singer scandal. Spoiler alert, it is not due to a conspiracy among the UCLA chancellor, the LA Times, the US Attorney’s office and Grandma Annenberg. (Yes, @Desert Hound, I was wrong that ECNL would not play in AZ in 2020 but you must admit I was pretty darn close and, given where we are in this pandemic, even the city of Phoenix realizes it was a mistake.)

You have presented one way of looking at things, and one which is often accurate. But elite sports is not all rainbows and butterflies either, and the lack of information about the other side of the story makes it inappropriate to pass judgment, especially when even the allegations by the former disgruntled students are as thin as they are, and the way they describe some of the incidents doesn’t seem particularly credible, while others seem very petty in support of an article that claims “abuse”.
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Was not taking about previous post at all regarding cal. Was limiting this to his stating “girls don’t develop past age 15 in soccer”. And holy hell I’m
Overstating this issue. Your constant posting never ends. It’s like you have a conversation with yourself most of the time. It’s the forum this is what’s it’s for. Spare me your thoughts or response for one day maybe.
 
MacDre said:
No. But why is it a problem for a P5 D1 coach to tell a player they’re a waste of a scholarship because they suck? Wouldn’t a good teammate just “take one for the team” and quit because they suck?
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Maybe you lacked an example of good leadership and good teammates in your life to be asking those questions? Good leaders build you up and value the roles of everyone on the team, no matter how small. Good teammates don’t quit on you - they keep giving their all to improve.
I’ll respond to your questions as hypotheticals. The only people really in a place to judge Cal are those that have played there and my DD’s have not. I’ve not heard complaints from the players we know that are there now.
First, it’s a problem because that player was recruited by said coach. Why doesn’t coach yell at himself that he sucks for shitty recruiting or coaching? Leaders take responsibility. In fact one of the complaint letters was written by a player who started all 4 years, so that can’t be the core issue. Second, it’s a problem because fear based leadership results in inferior performance, as evidenced widely in both business and sports. Provide the player some objective criteria and results and be a resource for that player about how to improve. You can be clear and direct without being insulting. Coach and teacher are special professions and if you aren’t in them to care for and make all your kids better people, you don’t deserve the privilege. Third, it’s a problem because it goes against the intent of the 4 year scholarship guarantee that the power 5 schools entered into voluntarily.
 
With little experience I could recruit a great class at Cal. I don’t think that’s a hard accomplishment by any stretch. Putting it all together is what gives coaches tenure.

Jerry at Santa Clara
Cromwell at UCF and UCLA
Tim Ward Pepperdine

Hey what can Cal do to get Ward to come?
 
suzysoccer1 said:
Was not taking about previous post at all regarding cal. Was limiting this to his stating “girls don’t develop past age 15 in soccer”. And holy hell I’m
Overstating this issue. Your constant posting never ends. It’s like you have a conversation with yourself most of the time. It’s the forum this is what’s it’s for. Spare me your thoughts or response for one day maybe.
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You’re really angry about something that innocuous. I’m a little scared of you to be honest. Your f bomb rant over USSF ending DA was epic. If you’d just listened to me, though, you would have known that it was coming and was also for the best.
 
eastbaysoccer said:
With little experience I could recruit a great class at Cal. I don’t think that’s a hard accomplishment by any stretch. Putting it all together is what gives coaches tenure.

Jerry at Santa Clara
Cromwell at UCF and UCLA
Tim Ward Pepperdine

Hey what can Cal do to get Ward to come?
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Beach front property.
 
Soccerfan2 said:
Maybe you lacked an example of good leadership and good teammates in your life to be asking those questions? Good leaders build you up and value the roles of everyone on the team, no matter how small. Good teammates don’t quit on you - they keep giving their all to improve.
I’ll respond to your questions as hypotheticals. The only people really in a place to judge Cal are those that have played there and my DD’s have not. I’ve not heard complaints from the players we know that are there now.
First, it’s a problem because that player was recruited by said coach. Why doesn’t coach yell at himself that he sucks for shitty recruiting or coaching? Leaders take responsibility. In fact one of the complaint letters was written by a player who started all 4 years, so that can’t be the core issue. Second, it’s a problem because fear based leadership results in inferior performance, as evidenced widely in both business and sports. Provide the player some objective criteria and results and be a resource for that player about how to improve. You can be clear and direct without being insulting. Coach and teacher are special professions and if you aren’t in them to care for and make all your kids better people, you don’t deserve the privilege. Third, it’s a problem because it goes against the intent of the 4 year scholarship guarantee that the power 5 schools entered into voluntarily.
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Thanks for your response. I had good coaches and teammates. I just think your analysis is one sided and lacking because you are only looking at this issue from the perspective of disgruntled players. You have not considered Neil’s position. You have not considered the University’s position. You have not questioned why Alex Morgan, Abigail Kim, Luka Deza and others that are in the National Team pool and playing in the NWSL have not come out in solidarity against Neil. You have not questioned your kids friends at Cal silence on the issue. If these allegations are true, the above players are just as guilty as Neil and should be held accountable.

The fact remains currently there is an average of less than 3 complaints per year over the past 10 years. With an average roster of 35 players it seems more than reasonable to me to only have to tell less than 3 folks per year, you suck and kick rocks; recruiting isn’t an exact science but based on the above numbers I am relatively certain that you can’t substantiate your claim of bad recruiting at this juncture.

I think you make a valid point regarding players keeping there scholarship all 4 years, which leads me to my next point. Is it Neil or the system? Even if Neil is replaced, the new coach will be faced with finding creative solutions to problems inherent to the process. Someone mentioned that UCLA has 40 players on their roster, do you seriously think the coach is trying to make all 40 better or maybe just focusing on the chosen ones?
 
MacDre said:
Thanks for your response. I had good coaches and teammates. I just think your analysis is one sided and lacking because you are only looking at this issue from the perspective of disgruntled players. You have not considered Neil’s position. You have not considered the University’s position. You have not questioned why Alex Morgan, Abigail Kim, Luka Deza and others that are in the National Team pool and playing in the NWSL have not come out in solidarity against Neil. You have not questioned your kids friends at Cal silence on the issue. If these allegations are true, the above players are just as guilty as Neil and should be held accountable.

The fact remains currently there is an average of less than 3 complaints per year over the past 10 years. With an average roster of 35 players it seems more than reasonable to me to only have to tell less than 3 folks per year, you suck and kick rocks; recruiting isn’t an exact science but based on the above numbers I am relatively certain that you can’t substantiate your claim of bad recruiting at this juncture.

I think you make a valid point regarding players keeping there scholarship all 4 years, which leads me to my next point. Is it Neil or the system? Even if Neil is replaced, the new coach will be faced with finding creative solutions to problems inherent to the process. Someone mentioned that UCLA has 40 players on their roster, do you seriously think the coach is trying to make all 40 better or maybe just focusing on the chosen ones?
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SMH. You didn’t comprehend most of what I said, and you don’t know what you don’t know. Lol. Merry Christmas!
 
Soccerfan2 said:
and you don’t know what you don’t know.
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Bingo, and that is precisely why I have not taken a position on this issue because I feel the evidence is grossly inadequate at this point. Why do you think the aforementioned players are not coming out in solidarity against Neil?
 
MacDre said:
Bingo, and that is precisely why I have not taken a position on this issue because I feel the evidence is grossly inadequate at this point. Why do you think the aforementioned players are not coming out in solidarity against Neil?
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I told you clearly I was answering your question as a hypothetical and was not making a judgement about Cal.
Also, you did take a position, and as usual, you’re all over the place.
 
MacDre said:
Bingo, and that is precisely why I have not taken a position on this issue because I feel the evidence is grossly inadequate at this point. Why do you think the aforementioned players are not coming out in solidarity against Neil?
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Turn that around, Mac. Why have they not come in to publicly support him? Not one former player has gone on record to support while at least 1 pro (anonymous) and 1 all-American (w/her name) have signed on as two of the more than 2 dozen athletes who have come forward. This may all be much ado about nothing or a series of misunderstandings or just disgruntled players - we just don’t know. I, for one, don’t consider silence by anyone to carry any meaning. Whether supportive of coach or players, speaking out publicly can be difficult.
 
dk_b said:
Turn that around, Mac. Why have they not come in to publicly support him? Not one former player has gone on record to support while at least 1 pro (anonymous) and 1 all-American (w/her name) have signed on as two of the more than 2 dozen athletes who have come forward. This may all be much ado about nothing or a series of misunderstandings or just disgruntled players - we just don’t know. I, for one, don’t consider silence by anyone to carry any meaning. Whether supportive of coach or players, speaking out publicly can be difficult.
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I agree 100%. I care and I am actually asking tough questions to gather evidence to present to folks in my circle to help assist in anyway I can. I also understand that it will take courage on behalf of the players to come forward and some may be black balled for doing so. But folks need to realize that it is also wrong to ruin Neil’s career with primarily speculation and conjecture. The man has a family and I believe a player in college currently. Has anyone considered how Neil getting fired for a misunderstanding could adversely impact his family?
 
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