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[suzysoccer1]

This simply is not 100% true and times have possibly changed since suzysoccer1 played pro. It sounds like she was just an above average player or her experience would have been better. A lot of players overseas are playing and getting a degree. There are also a lot of girls who played in college got their degree who are making the same amount of money as a pro because they can't find a decent paying job because they couldn't do internships while at university.

To play for ones country is such an honour. I guess the difference is that it is near impossible in the USA - where in other countries its quite achievable.
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My experience was one I would never change. Best time of my life. I’ve been called lots of things and I’m sure average was one of them. I had my turn at playing this game and now I can see my kids have even more of a chance then I did. I want more for them not less. That said there are realities that are being missed in this discussion about what playing pro truely is. ALL pros work or go to school while playing. This has been true and will always be true. You have to go eat. Now what kinda of work depends upon where you fall on the soccer food chain and how much you get from your parents. Firstly identity what PRO is. I’m not talking about teenagers training with first division teams on Thursday’s. For right now no female can turn pro AND play in a game in this country until 18. Also with fifa article 19 rules it’s very hard to play in another country (without passport or citizenship). Train yes maybe, but again most legit foreign clubs require a lot before you get on their field. Parents cost here is high. But if you can do it than great.
So for after college or 18 yrs, First thing you have to get there. And average don’t get you there. Your kid is taking away a seasoned adult women’s job. Your kid needs to be scary ass next level good. Next you have to live there and pay bills, then you have to stay there (hardest part) stay healthy and contribute so you can get to another league when this one is finished. Example Scandinavia to Australia or Italy to America. So that you can piece together enough money to survive. Also getting signed by a club is a nightmare. Not even getting into players rights, who owns them, agents, coaches, transfer fees, etc. Many times the college girls playing after college play for about 3-4 seasons. Stopping around age 26,27. Then do private trainings, start coaching, while beginning their new careers in whatever field they have chosen. Like I said I loved this life, it’s fantastic. But there’s a difference to what you think you know or what you’ve over heard and what it is for the player. And not much has changed.

And also TOBIN HEATH DOES NOT SUCK. We should all pray for “off” games like hers for our kids.

 

[MacDre]

Living in a border region is an exception to the FIFA rule you just cited so it won’t be a burden for folks living in parts of California and Texas because they have the option of playing in both countries. For the folks that don’t live in the border area language/cultural immersion is a legitimate reason to move to Mexico so long as it’s the primary reason for moving and not soccer.

For a certain player, playing in Mexico while getting a degree is an alternative to D1 soccer. If most D1 soccer players are not on an athletic scholarship, then why would it be a problem to attend college in Texas on a academic scholarship while training and playing with Tigres or Rayados? Why couldn’t a player enroll online at Arizona State University and play for Club America in Mexico City instead of ASU soccer?

I am sure that Tobin Heath doesn’t suck. However, her performance in Lyon during the World Cup did not live up to the hype. I was impressed with Rose Lavelle and Kadi Diani from France.

 

[Scott m Shurson]

To me, it’s not a question about whether it is ”enough” but whether it complies with general concepts of fairness and whether it can be exploited. I think cash payments from the school or boosters akin to salaries or bonuses are more ripe for exploitation while I think a player using her status as a college athlete to market herself (or allow herself to be marketed) puts more of the control on the athlete (I recognize that both the payments can be done above board and “fair” if a pool were equally spread across schools and that the endorsement part can also be exploitive so I am writing in generalities). I have zero issue w/a local batting cage showing players who are playing in college in exchange for off-season discounts (or free use) to the player nor do I have an issue with a player returning to her community and holding 1-on-1 training sessions while marketing her experience as a high level college athlete. That does not deprive anyone but permits players to use their skills in a marketable way, just as college age math tutors, music teachers and artists might do (nobody is prohibiting the student on a music scholarship from earning $ in paid music gigs or by giving private lessons and that same student may get free access - perhaps even unregulated (unlike an athlete) - to rehearsal rooms, sound production equipment, etc.).

Coaches are paid professionals, no question, and would I say they can’t slap their names on a sports camp and generate income that way? I would not. But I can’t see how allowing the student athletes to similarly earn money (albeit a pittance, relative to the coaches) interferes with any core mission of college athletics, spirit of amateurism, etc.

I usually agree with everything you post in this general area but not here. I think it's a slippery slope that cannot be contained once you start talking about monetary opportunity. Too difficult to determine how much, for whom, etc. And who is really earning that money? Is it Trevor Lawrence or an offensive guard that makes money for Clemson? And what percentage? Should Trevor and the backup kicker receive the same amount? Should Trevor earn the same as a woman on the gymnastics team?

That said, I do think, based on how much money athletes earn a program, they should be entitled to some goodies that compensate for not really being able to work a traditional job. Maybe a small stipend but that's it. They're already getting so much.

 

[Scott m Shurson]

Living in a border region is an exception to the FIFA rule you just cited so it won’t be a burden for folks living in parts of California and Texas because they have the option of playing in both countries. For the folks that don’t live in the border area language/cultural immersion is a legitimate reason to move to Mexico so long as it’s the primary reason for moving and not soccer.

For a certain player, playing in Mexico while getting a degree is an alternative to D1 soccer. If most D1 soccer players are not on an athletic scholarship, then why would it be a problem to attend college in Texas on a academic scholarship while training and playing with Tigres or Rayados? Why couldn’t a player enroll online at Arizona State University and play for Club America in Mexico City instead of ASU soccer?

I am sure that Tobin Heath doesn’t suck. However, her performance in Lyon during the World Cup did not live up to the hype. I was impressed with Rose Lavelle and Kadi Diani from France.

Tobin Heath is starting to suck. Same with Rapinoe.

 

[sdb]

Living in a border region is an exception to the FIFA rule you just cited so it won’t be a burden for folks living in parts of California and Texas because they have the option of playing in both countries. For the folks that don’t live in the border area language/cultural immersion is a legitimate reason to move to Mexico so long as it’s the primary reason for moving and not soccer.

For a certain player, playing in Mexico while getting a degree is an alternative to D1 soccer. If most D1 soccer players are not on an athletic scholarship, then why would it be a problem to attend college in Texas on a academic scholarship while training and playing with Tigres or Rayados? Why couldn’t a player enroll online at Arizona State University and play for Club America in Mexico City instead of ASU soccer?

I am sure that Tobin Heath doesn’t suck. However, her performance in Lyon during the World Cup did not live up to the hype. I was impressed with Rose Lavelle and Kadi Diani from France.

I think I read that as a minor, to play in Mexico, you would have to be within 30 miles of the US border and the foreign club also has to be within 30 miles of the border. Is that right?

 

[dk_b]

I usually agree with everything you post in this general area but not here. I think it's a slippery slope that cannot be contained once you start talking about monetary opportunity. Too difficult to determine how much, for whom, etc. And who is really earning that money? Is it Trevor Lawrence or an offensive guard that makes money for Clemson? And what percentage? Should Trevor and the backup kicker receive the same amount? Should Trevor earn the same as a woman on the gymnastics team?

That said, I do think, based on how much money athletes earn a program, they should be entitled to some goodies that compensate for not really being able to work a traditional job. Maybe a small stipend but that's it. They're already getting so much.

You internet like I do. When you disagree and you don’t call me names and insult my intelligence, how am I supposed to react?

I think you make a lot of good points and I long for a day to discuss topics like this in person, over a beverage, while watching some live sports in front of us.

 

[MacDre]

I think I read that as a minor, to play in Mexico, you would have to be within 30 miles of the US border and the foreign club also has to be within 30 miles of the border. Is that right?

I thought it was 50 but I may be confusing the FIFA rule with my auto insurance coverage.

But also, I’m taking the position that it doesn’t matter. The way I read FIFA rule 19 is that it was enacted to stop the trafficking of kids.

I think to argue Rule 19 applies to affluent kids from OC playing in TJ misconstrues the intent of the rule and is unethical.

 

[Scott m Shurson]

You internet like I do. When you disagree and you don’t call me names and insult my intelligence, how am I supposed to react?

I think you make a lot of good points and I long for a day to discuss topics like this in person, over a beverage, while watching some live sports in front of us.

Well, from what I gather, your kid is in the mix and we aren't there yet. Hopefully one day. I think I maybe romanticize college sports too much because I hate to think about how corrupt it really can be. Here's to that day.

 

[dk_b]

Well, from what I gather, your kid is in the mix and we aren't there yet. Hopefully one day. I think I maybe romanticize college sports too much because I hate to think about how corrupt it really can be. Here's to that day.

Let’s hope that day is soon for all of us. Cheers to a robust 2021, even if it is packed into the 2d 6 months.

 

[sdb]

I thought it was 50 but I may be confusing the FIFA rule with my auto insurance coverage.

But also, I’m taking the position that it doesn’t matter. The way I read FIFA rule 19 is that it was enacted to stop the trafficking of kids.

I think to argue Rule 19 applies to affluent kids from OC playing in TJ misconstrues the intent of the rule and is unethical.

50km. I was looking at US Soccer:

Minors International Clearance Process

Any player under the age of 18 who is not eligible for the Prior to 10 clearance method will be required to go through the FIFA Transfer Matching System (TMS) in order to obtain their international transfer clearance.

FIFA's Regulations state that international transfers of players are only permitted if the player is over the age of 18. However, there are three exceptions to the rule:

1. The player's parents move to the country in which the new club is located for reasons not linked to soccer.
2. The transfer takes place within the territory of the European Union.
3. The player lives outside the country, but no further than 50km from a national border. In addition, the club with which the player wishes to be registered in the neighboring association is also within 50km of that border.

U.S. Soccer can use exceptions No. 1 and No. 3, as the second exception deals only with players in Europe. The documentation listed below is required in order to prove a minor player qualifies for this process.

 

[MacDre]

50km. I was looking at US Soccer:

Minors International Clearance Process

Any player under the age of 18 who is not eligible for the Prior to 10 clearance method will be required to go through the FIFA Transfer Matching System (TMS) in order to obtain their international transfer clearance.

FIFA's Regulations state that international transfers of players are only permitted if the player is over the age of 18. However, there are three exceptions to the rule:

1. The player's parents move to the country in which the new club is located for reasons not linked to soccer.
2. The transfer takes place within the territory of the European Union.
3. The player lives outside the country, but no further than 50km from a national border. In addition, the club with which the player wishes to be registered in the neighboring association is also within 50km of that border.

U.S. Soccer can use exceptions No. 1 and No. 3, as the second exception deals only with players in Europe. The documentation listed below is required in order to prove a minor player qualifies for this process.

Interesting. I think this rule is kind of ambiguous. One way of reading the rule is that anyone living anywhere in California, Arizona or Texas within 50 km of the border could play for Club Tijuana because it’s also within 50km of the border. The rule doesn’t say “border crossing” and the US/Mexico border is long.

I am not sure how far Rayados and Tigres are from the border but it doesn’t look too bad for Club Tijuana.

I also don’t think families from OC will mind moving to Polanco (Mexico City) for language immersion and hooking up with Club America under exception #1 while they’re in the area.

 

[eastbaysoccer]

Why?

College athletes should be paid. A fr

This simply is not 100% true and times have possibly changed since suzysoccer1 played pro. It sounds like she was just an above average player or her experience would have been better. A lot of players overseas are playing and getting a degree. There are also a lot of girls who played in college got their degree who are making the same amount of money as a pro because they can't find a decent paying job because they couldn't do internships while at university.

To play for ones country is such an honour. I guess the difference is that it is near impossible in the USA - where in other countries its quite achievable.

The NWSL league maximum salary for 2020 has jumped to $50,000 and the league minimum salary has increased to $20,000. The 2019 season saw a maximum salary cap of $46,200 and a minimum of $16,538.

working at amazon is $15 per hour or $31,200 annualized.

20,000 broken down is $9.62 per hour. which is less than the $12 minimum wage in CA

 

[MacDre]

Interesting. I think this rule is kind of ambiguous. One way of reading the rule is that anyone living anywhere in California, Arizona or Texas within 50 km of the border could play for Club Tijuana because it’s also within 50km of the border. The rule doesn’t say “border crossing” and the US/Mexico border is long.

I am not sure how far Rayados and Tigres are from the border but it doesn’t look too bad for Club Tijuana.

I also don’t think families from OC will mind moving to Polanco (Mexico City) for language immersion and hooking up with Club America under exception #1 while they’re in the area.

I think it’s also reasonable to count the 50 km from San Clemente Border Station instead of San Ysidro or Otay Mesa since DHS and CBP consider the entire region to be the border and their jurisdiction.

 

[Soccer43]

[QUOTE="eastbaysoccer, post: 376177,

The NWSL league maximum salary for 2020 has jumped to $50,000 and the league minimum salary has increased to $20,000. The 2019 season saw a maximum salary cap of $46,200 and a minimum of $16,538.

working at amazon is $15 per hour or $31,200 annualized.

20,000 broken down is $9.62 per hour. which is less than the $12 minimum wage in CA
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this is why the whole debate on girls going pro at an early age goes no where for me. When my DD was an infant in my arms I did not look lovingly at her and say, “my dream for you is lot go pro at 18 and makeless than minimum wage “. Maybe the salaries are better overseas but being excited for the NWSL draft is more like having a fun hobby that pays you a small amount for a few years and then you go get a real career.

 

[MacDre]

[QUOTE="eastbaysoccer, post: 376177,

The NWSL league maximum salary for 2020 has jumped to $50,000 and the league minimum salary has increased to $20,000. The 2019 season saw a maximum salary cap of $46,200 and a minimum of $16,538.

working at amazon is $15 per hour or $31,200 annualized.

20,000 broken down is $9.62 per hour. which is less than the $12 minimum wage in CA

this is why the whole debate on girls going pro at an early age goes no where for me. When my DD was an infant in my arms I did not look lovingly at her and say, “my dream for you is lot go pro at 18 and makeless than minimum wage “. Maybe the salaries are better overseas but being excited for the NWSL draft is more like having a fun hobby that pays you a small amount for a few years and then you go get a real career.
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I think I agree with you for the most part because I think the ladies need to get paid better. But I also think the NWSL compensation is better than what has been stated.

What other careers can a 18-22 year old began that pay more than $20,000, w/free housing, free food, & free car (negotiable), for working 8 months annually (April-November)?

 

[crush]

[QUOTE="eastbaysoccer, post: 376177,

The NWSL league maximum salary for 2020 has jumped to $50,000 and the league minimum salary has increased to $20,000. The 2019 season saw a maximum salary cap of $46,200 and a minimum of $16,538.

working at amazon is $15 per hour or $31,200 annualized.

20,000 broken down is $9.62 per hour. which is less than the $12 minimum wage in CA

this is why the whole debate on girls going pro at an early age goes no where for me. When my DD was an infant in my arms I did not look lovingly at her and say, “my dream for you is lot go pro at 18 and makeless than minimum wage “. Maybe the salaries are better overseas but being excited for the NWSL draft is more like having a fun hobby that pays you a small amount for a few years and then you go get a real career.
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Yes, we know 43. Most parents dreams are for their kids to go to college, not pro of anything. That's why youth soccer is popular. We should be asking our kids want their dreams are for themselves, not what dads dreams are. I never dreamed of my dd being a pro anything. I dream whatever she does she has fun and loves what she's doing.

 

[Soccer43]

Housing has to be provided but what type of housing is not clear. I have heard of players living 4 to an apartment or living with host families. It is not like they give you rent $ to go get your own place. And food does not seem to be included and not necessarily a car is provided. I don’t have personal knowledge, just what I read online so would be curious to hear from an actual player on a current NWSL team about the financial realities.

 

[tjinaz]

Housing has to be provided but what type of housing is not clear. I have heard of players living 4 to an apartment or living with host families. It is not like they give you rent $ to go get your own place. And food does not seem to be included and not necessarily a car is provided. I don’t have personal knowledge, just what I read online so would be curious to hear from an actual player on a current NWSL team about the financial realities.

And the sad thing is the teams still lose money. At what point do you just say without some sort of subsidy this league folds like a cheap suit. I understand equal opportunity and all but eventually the league has to stand or fall on its own merits.

Womens soccer far from equal

 

[outside!]

And the sad thing is the teams still lose money. At what point do you just say without some sort of subsidy this league folds like a cheap suit. I understand equal opportunity and all but eventually the league has to stand or fall on its own merits.

Womens soccer far from equal

Maybe when men's professional sports are entirely self supporting without any taxpayer dollars for stadiums and have paid back with interest all of the public money they have received?

 

[gkrent]

Housing has to be provided but what type of housing is not clear. I have heard of players living 4 to an apartment or living with host families. It is not like they give you rent $ to go get your own place. And food does not seem to be included and not necessarily a car is provided. I don’t have personal knowledge, just what I read online so would be curious to hear from an actual player on a current NWSL team about the financial realities.

The women I know that are 1st/2nd year in NWSL need part time jobs. Sometimes living with roommates or host families.