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dad4 said:
It was his claim. I heard it from him directly during his NPR interview on KQED.

The nonsensical part is that anyone pays any attention to him.

The whole anti-[something]ism thing is itself a problem.

Recently, we have anti-fascism and anti-racism. They both work on the same principle as McCarthy's anti-communism:

Declare yourself to be against something bad. Then accuse others of that thing you are against. Ruin their careers if possible. If anyone tries to stop you, accuse them of whatever it is you oppose.
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Some of Joe McCarthy's targets actually were communists working in the State Department, but when he sad "I have here in my hand a list of two hundred and five people that were known to the Secretary of State as being members of the Communist Party and who nevertheless are still working and shaping the policy of the State Department", he was lying.
 
Grace T. said:
Into the horses now too, huh?

I'm taking you at your word that it said that dude. I'm not going to sit around and read every single article. I posted one that said that's not true...they tested everyone whether vaccinated or not.
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Have you found any yet that mentioned an honor system, or "just had to say"?
 
Grace T. said:
that's even more funny then. The fully vaxxed cruise was on the honors system. :) That is good info....no wonder the cruise company isn't advertising that little fact on their fully vaxxed cruise. Actual useful info for a change from the espola.
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How is showing a card the honors system?
 
Here is Celebrity's health requirements page - it's all over the map (which was not intended as a joke when I first wrote it). Note the Florida entry -- "For sailings from Florida – Guests who decline or are unable to show proof of vaccination at boarding will be treated as unvaccinated and subject to additional costs, restrictions, and protocols to be advised as soon as they have been determined."

 
Grace T. said:
Man you are so far off the road now. You were the one who said they tested those without vaccine cards. I said they required both.
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As I said then, and have repeated more than once, I was quoting online news articles. There was (and still is) a wide variety of opinions about what the vaccination requirements were, what the testing requirements were, when the tests were conducted, etc. USAToday's article today includes a correction notice at the top, so they have acknowledged that the facts are still churning.

None of the articles I read had any mention of any "honor system" (which, frankly would have been hard to believe for anywhere but the Florida boardings) so where did you get that from?
 
espola said:
Some of Joe McCarthy's targets actually were communists working in the State Department, but when he sad "I have here in my hand a list of two hundred and five people that were known to the Secretary of State as being members of the Communist Party and who nevertheless are still working and shaping the policy of the State Department", he was lying.
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So lying..like you do. Good to know Magoo, good to know. Or are you more like the JV captain and just forget stuff all the time? Hmmm..
 
espola said:
As I said then, and have repeated more than once, I was quoting online news articles. There was (and still is) a wide variety of opinions about what the vaccination requirements were, what the testing requirements were, when the tests were conducted, etc. USAToday's article today includes a correction notice at the top, so they have acknowledged that the facts are still churning.

None of the articles I read had any mention of any "honor system" (which, frankly would have been hard to believe for anywhere but the Florida boardings) so where did you get that from?
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Well, if all you require is them to state that they are vaccinated (and not require any proof such as a vaccine card, which is the only proof of which I'm currently aware), then it is the honors systems idiot (because you are trusting people not to lie about it, and the COVID test does not tell you if people are vaccinated or not...it only tells you about exposure to the virus).

For this cruise, they specifically marketed it as vaccinated only (though there seems to be at least 1 exception for children too young to vaccinate)
 
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Grace T. said:
Well, if all you require is them to state that they are vaccinated (and not require any proof such as a vaccine card, which is the only proof of which I'm currently aware), then it is the honors systems idiot (because you are trusting people not to lie about it, and the COVID test does not tell you if people are vaccinated or not...it only tells you about exposure to the virus).

For this cruise, they specifically marketed it as vaccinated only (though there seems to be at least 1 exception for children too young to vaccinate)
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Don't confuse him with facts...
 
Grace T. said:
Well, if all you require is them to state that they are vaccinated (and not require any proof such as a vaccine card, which is the only proof of which I'm currently aware), then it is the honors systems idiot (because you are trusting people not to lie about it, and the COVID test does not tell you if people are vaccinated or not...it only tells you about exposure to the virus).

For this cruise, they specifically marketed it as vaccinated only (though there seems to be at least 1 exception for children too young to vaccinate)
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"Well, if all you require is for them to state..." - where does that come from? It's not on the Celebrity advisory page I linked.
 
espola said:
"Well, if all you require is for them to state..." - where does that come from? It's not on the Celebrity advisory page I linked.
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round and round we go. You were the one that stated they required to test those without vaccine cards. This cruise was advertised as a "vaccine only" cruise. So either: a) your statement is false, b) the company is lying about this being a vaccinated only cruise (children apparently excepted), or c) they required them to state they were vaccinated but if couldn't show proof they tested them (which is what your statement directly leads to but contradicts both the USA and NYT articles which say it's an "and" that you needed to do both and they had rapid tests available prior to boarding).
 
Grace T. said:
round and round we go. You were the one that stated they required to test those without vaccine cards. This cruise was advertised as a "vaccine only" cruise. So either: a) your statement is false, b) the company is lying about this being a vaccinated only cruise (children apparently excepted), or c) they required them to state they were vaccinated but if couldn't show proof they tested them (which is what your statement directly leads to but contradicts both the USA and NYT articles which say it's an "and" that you needed to do both and they had rapid tests available prior to boarding).
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I was just quoting news articles. Who were you quoting with your "honor system"?
 
Teen Hospitalized With Blood Clots in Brain After First Dose of Pfizer Vaccine
The mother of the 17-year-old, whose symptoms were initially dismissed as a pulled neck muscle, said she regrets her decision to allow him to be vaccinated.

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Harming the little children=Millstone wrapped around one's neck.

Teen suicide attempts spiked during COVID-19 lockdowns: CDC
Suspected suicide attempts among girls ages 12-17 increased nearly 51% between February and March
 
Desert Hound said:
The nonsense is the crap they peddle in critical race theory. If you like the idea of creating division where there wasn't any before, the CRT is for you. But then again you just regurgitate what you are spoon fed.
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So you are clueless about it as well? Do you know anything about it?
 
espola said:
Do you mean "behold the nonsense." followed by your response "The nonsense is the crap they peddle in critical race theory"

I'll ask again -- what is that nonsense and crap?
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Pup gets told what to think and is always angry and confused when everyone else isn’t privy to the same bs.
 
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