Bad News Thread

Ummm… Carnival can sell more cruise tickets when everyone can buy them, vaccinated or not. Are you sure you understand their business model and customers?

Sometimes we speak to fast and only from our own perspective. Think about your statement and if you still believe it after considering consumer behavior, demographics, basic economics and plain logic…. I’d love to hear your reason.
I do. Cruise lines took a huge reputation hit with the Diamond Princess. Their core market includes a large chunk of people over 65. They can’t afford another 2 weeks of news stories about a covid boat.

The benefit from an appearance of safety is more important than the small number of tickets they might sell to the anti-vax community.

This is why Norwegian is already threatening to skip Florida ports if they can’t verify vaccine status. It’s a long sail from Georgia to Freeport, but that’s better than risking your brand.
 
Do you believe in God, yes or no? Today is D-Day so answer honestly too. No more freaking lies, ok? If you answer correctly, I will answer honestly with you. If no answer to my God Q, then sorry Charlie, no "V" answer.....lol. Come on man :)
No more lies?

When you said you had been vaccinated, was that the truth?
 
I do. Cruise lines took a huge reputation hit with the Diamond Princess. Their core market includes a large chunk of people over 65. They can’t afford another 2 weeks of news stories about a covid boat.

The benefit from an appearance of safety is more important than the small number of tickets they might sell to the anti-vax community.

This is why Norwegian is already threatening to skip Florida ports if they can’t verify vaccine status. It’s a long sail from Georgia to Freeport, but that’s better than risking your brand.

So your answer is PR? Or, the possibility of bad PR therefore cut off 40+ percent of the population from buying tickets? Let me just pitch that to the board… Oh, BTW the average age on Carnival is closer to 45 with families seeking a budget cruise being a core demographic. Guess who is discriminated against by that policy?

Guess the #2 cruise operator disagrees with the possibility of bad PR being a greater business concern than economics.


Norwegian has an issue with the FL requirement not to ask for proof of vaccination, that is also different than requiring vaccination.

There is no business reason to require vaccinations. Worried about PR? Then require a test for those without proof of vaccination.
 
No more lies?

When you said you had been vaccinated, was that the truth?
Listen, answer the question first. Do you, dad of 4 believe in God, yes or no? If Ebola wants to jump in he can. Once you answer yes or no, then I will give you 100% truth. I said I got all my V's bro.......
 
Just run the number and tell me what happens over the next 9 months if the India/Delta variant is in the US now with 100 or so cases, vaccinations are 10% above at current levels, and we return everything to 2019 standards.

Once you’ve done that, then tell me how severe my phobia is. Those are not unreasonable assumptions.
I am still waiting for all the folks to fall over from myocarditis that canceled the college football season. We have survived all the previous variants, are highly vaccinated - and that number is still growing slowly and we have many people who already had it and didn't get the vaccine. It seems pretty clear that "token" measures don't really do anything to slow the spread - and that's all they are at this point. The experts have been wrong too many times. The doomsday predictions for GA when they first opened up, Florida when they opened up in late summer, and Texas when they opened in the spring - all came up empty. At this point, I'm sure that I am at more risk when I take my daughter out for driving lessons. It's time to move on.
 
Ronnie would like to share a few words on this great day, D-Day 2021 :) Can you feel the calm before storm K & S? 77 years ago we lost some of our best of the best because some rich bankers from around the world saw a way to make a buck off all of us using film and war and hate and murder.

 
"A quarter of all deaths previously attributed to COVID-19 in Alameda County weren’t actually caused by the coronavirus, the Alameda County Public Health Department announced today."

"Brit Hume adds that, “The overcounting fed the panic that produced the lockdowns, school closings and other regrettable decisions.”

As Jordan Schachtel wrote late last month in a Substack article titled, “What to make of the COVID-19 lab leak theory,” “The virus was not the cause for global catastrophe. It was the response to the virus that crippled the global economy and our society. The disease was not nearly as damaging as the ‘cure’ for the disease.”
 
Link? I have no idea which of the emails you are referring to. Sounds like you’re quoting Fauci from February, 2020, and some decades old influenza studies that never had the sample size to detect a moderate effect.
The fact you haven't read the emails or refer to those orgs that have as right wing, means you live in a news bubble. Much of the press don't report on the emails because what they contain. Ie info that goes against their reporting on certain issues talked about since the beginning of covid.

Try googling "Fauci emails". If you actually cared you would have taken a look earlier.
 
So your answer is PR? Or, the possibility of bad PR therefore cut off 40+ percent of the population from buying tickets? Let me just pitch that to the board… Oh, BTW the average age on Carnival is closer to 45 with families seeking a budget cruise being a core demographic. Guess who is discriminated against by that policy?

Guess the #2 cruise operator disagrees with the possibility of bad PR being a greater business concern than economics.


Norwegian has an issue with the FL requirement not to ask for proof of vaccination, that is also different than requiring vaccination.

There is no business reason to require vaccinations. Worried about PR? Then require a test for those without proof of vaccination.
That is not how I read Royal Carribbean‘s Florida vaccine policy. They require them out of Seattle, but not out of Miami. In both states they require crew to be fully vaccinated.

That sounds like it may be a response to the political climate in each area. Requiring vaccines in Miami would offend the FL governor. Failing to require vaccines out of Seattle would offend the WA governor. So they need different rules to respond to the different politics.

It is worth noting that the WA policy is set, but the FL policy is “still being written”. They will have a testing requirement, but cannot tell you what it will be. That sounds like they are still trying to figure out how to make things work without a vaccine requirement.
 
That is not how I read Royal Carribbean‘s Florida vaccine policy. They require them out of Seattle, but not out of Miami. In both states they require crew to be fully vaccinated.

That sounds like it may be a response to the political climate in each area. Requiring vaccines in Miami would offend the FL governor. Failing to require vaccines out of Seattle would offend the WA governor. So they need different rules to respond to the different politics.

It is worth noting that the WA policy is set, but the FL policy is “still being written”. They will have a testing requirement, but cannot tell you what it will be. That sounds like they are still trying to figure out how to make things work without a vaccine requirement.

Again, some revenue is better than none, you know… real business reasons.

There are business constraints, like Seattle… some revenue is better than none.

Does that support your position or refute mine. NO!

Next please?!
 
Again, some revenue is better than none, you know… real business reasons.

There are business constraints, like Seattle… some revenue is better than none.

Does that support your position or refute mine. NO!

Next please?!
Reputation is a real business reason. Brand names can be worth billions, and they can be destroyed by bad press.

One or two more covid boats could sink "Princess" as a name. Whatever goodwill they have on the balance sheets would just get written off.
 
Same as flu?

Ok. Let’s find out what you know about the flu.

First, tell us which whether flu has a protein coat, whether covid has a protein coat, and the role of a protein coat in hardening a virus. This will affect whether isolated virus particles can spread through the mask.

Once you have done that, tell us whether flu likes larger or smaller water drops, whether covid likes larger or smaller droplets, and how particle size affects the probability that a water particle will be diverted by the dipole interactions with those hydrophilic bits.

You can do it! It’s just like Milliken’s oil drop experiment, except the particles are different sizes. That gives you a square/cube law problem, because goes by the cube of the radius, but dipole moment is different….

Next, show us your aging study about masks and influenza source control. We’ll want to know the size of the study, and the error bounds on the estimated effect on transmissibility. You should be able to find something like “95% confident that the effect of masks is between negative 57% and positive 45%”. If you’re really lucky, they will tell you the size of the effect the stidy was capable, and not capable, of finding. For example, the Dutch study was designed to detect a 50% decrease in transmission to the wearer. ( It failed to do so. )

I’ll bet that you haven’t a clue how to do any of that.

Provide a link to your silly smoking gun email. We can read it for you and tell you what they were really saying.
Waaaay too much work for a lazy ass laying around on the conspiracy porch hound. Nutters never do research they just expect you to except the narrative they have been fed.
 
So it is right wing now to review emails?

And the email in question regarding masks was not taken out if context. You are a believer and look for anything to justify your beliefs.

He was asked about risks and safety. Fauci said your typical masks are not capable of stopping something as small as a virus. He said masks are "ineffective".

That is not some right wing interpretation. That is exactly what he said and it wasn't taken out if context.

And that aligns with decades of research of mask effectiveness. They found that even in medical settings, used by people wearing them correctly, they had no effect in terms of stopping the transmission of the flu.

The only thing that changed this past yr was the politics of the issue and governments decided they needed the appearance of being able to do something. So they recommended masks.
Only other nutters assume to see your logic and not see through your mischaracterizations.
 
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